Was it actually Thomas Mulcair that was responsible for the Orange Wave in 2011?

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Was it actually Thomas Mulcair that was responsible for the Orange Wave in 2011?

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NorthReport

Yes Layton was the Leader, so of course he got the attention, and the kudos, but if was not Mulcair's doing, why did the Orange Wave not catch on in the rest of Canada the way it did it Quebec? Maybe, just maybe, the Orange Wave's success in Quebec had a lot more to do with Thomas Mulcair, Jack's Quebec Lieutenant, than the current NPD/NDP leader has ever received credit for. 

NorthReport

Nice to see indeed that sometimes working smart and basic, honest, hard work does indeed pay off. 

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Brachina

 It was a team effort, and Jack was key, but the truth is Jack couldn't have done it without Mulcair, Mulcair got people paying attention to Jack in Quebec, he was in the commercials in Quebec, he got the NDP a toe hold in Quebec, he was the face of the NDP in Quebec as deputy leader, and Mulcair is the single most trusted politician in Quebec. So yes while he wasn't the only key player, the Orange Wave would not have happened without Mulcair and without Mulcair the NDP would be luck to have 15% in the polls. The day Mulcair ran in Quebec and won a seat for the NDP is the day the future of the  country changed and as well as the NDP.

NorthReport

So lefties now need to make a serious decision:

Do they want to help elect a left-of centre party that has to come across in the election campaign as appealing to a good broad section of Canadian voters, (in other words they will not be promoting every single issue on the lefties' shopping list), or do they want to take their ball and go home?

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NorthReport

Possible political scenario that you will not see discussed in the mainstream press:

As far as the mainstream press is concerned there are only 2 teams in the league - the right-wing Liberals and the right-wing Conservatives and they don't really care which of these two right-wing teams win, as long as one of them does. So ever chance the MSP gets to bash the peskly Official Opposition NDP (notice that the msp rarely even calls the NDP Canada's Official Oppostion), and/or promote their constant absurd, it is a an extremely close race between the two right-wing parties propaganda, the average Canadian, who is presently not really paying much attention to politics, believes the bullshit. As a result, most of what Canadians have been fed in the press since the 2011 election is utter nonsense, and regularly portrays Mulcair and the NDP in a very negative light.

Once the writ is actually dropped however, the falsehoods of the mainstream press will begin to unwind, as Thomas Mulcair will, for the very first time in his career, have an extended period to directly address Canadian voters, and as Pierre Trudeau aptly put it, the universe will start unfolding as it should.

Because of this Canadian political reality, Thomas Mulcair, in spite of all the obstacles he has to encouter on a daily basis, and whose leadership is presently keeping the NDP at mid-twenties support, stands an excellent chance of repeating, and then some, of the 2011 election results.

But make to mistake about it, the NDP needs to form a majority government if they ever are to effect fundamental change to our over-riding issue, Canada's staggering inequality between the rich and the poor, and Canada's almost extinct middle class.

ajaykumar

NorthReport wrote:

Possible political scenario that you will not see discussed in the mainstream press:

As far as the mainstream press is concerned there are only 2 teams in the league - the right-wing Liberals and the right-wing Conservatives and they don't really care which of these two right-wing teams win, as long as one of them does. So ever chance the MSP gets to bash the peskly Official Opposition NDP (notice that the msp rarely even calls the NDP Canada's Official Oppostion), and/or promote their constant absurd, it is a an extremely close race between the two right-wing parties propaganda, the average Canadian, who is presently not really paying much attention to politics, believes the bullshit. As a result, most of what Canadians have been fed in the press since the 2011 election is utter nonsense, and regularly portrays Mulcair and the NDP in a very negative light.

Once the writ is actually dropped however, the falsehoods of the mainstream press will begin to unwind, as Thomas Mulcair will, for the very first time in his career, have an extended period to directly address Canadian voters, and as Pierre Trudeau aptly put it, the universe will start unfolding as it should.

Because of this Canadian political reality, Thomas Mulcair, in spite of all the obstacles he has to encouter on a daily basis, and whose leadership is presently keeping the NDP at mid-twenties support, stands an excellent chance of repeating, and then some, of the 2011 election results.

But make to mistake about it, the NDP needs to form a majority government if they ever are to effect fundamental change to our over-riding issue, Canada's staggering inequality between the rich and the poor, and Canada's almost extinct middle class.

wasnt mulcair a right wing quebec liberal

NorthReport

Last I heard prior to entering federal politics, Thomas Mulcair was Minister of the Environment, resigned for reasons of principle, and obviously took a serious pay cut.

Has Trudeau or Harper ever resigned on reason of principle or taken a pay cut for anything?

 

The Honourable Thomas Mulcair


Thomas Mulcair, Lac des Castors, juin 2012.jpg

Leader of the Opposition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mulcair

ajaykumar

NorthReport wrote:

Last I heard prior to entering federal politics, Thomas Mulcair was Minister of the Environment, resigned for reasons of principle, and obviously took a serious pay cut.

Has Trudeau or Harper ever resigned on reason of principle or taken a pay cut for anything?

satellite offices? principles? ethics?  A politician never resigns because of principals.  Mulcair was demoted

sherpa-finn

NR asked: Has Trudeau or Harper ever resigned on reason of promciple or taken a pay cut for anything?

Well there was that time when Justin quit his job as a snow board instructor, to transition to being a windsurfing instructor... or was it the other way round?  Anyhow, there was always the trust fund to help see him through the difficult times.

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

With the NDP holding above 20%, it makes it impossible for the Liberals and Conservative to form a majority without climbing into bed with each other.

It is important to remember there is no possibility of an NDP coalition with the Liberals. As in the Martin, Dion, Ignatieff, Rae, and current Trudeau days, the Liberals will always vote with the Conservatives.

We have to keep this mindset from the social democratic angle. A social democratic government can occur. But it will not do so with the assistance of the Liberal Party or the Conservative Party.

It is either going to be opposition or majority government for the NDP. There may be a situation where the NDP will be able to bargain otherwise, however unless the NDP gets a majority there will be no coalition. Liberals just can't be trusted.

ajaykumar

sherpa-finn wrote:

NR asked: Has Trudeau or Harper ever resigned on reason of promciple or taken a pay cut for anything?

Well there was that time when Justin quit his job as a snow board instructor, to transition to being a windsurfing instructor... or was it the other way round?  Anyhow, there was always the trust fund to help see him through the difficult times.

hillarious i forgot to laugh though

NorthReport

We already know if is unheard of within the Trudeau Liberals camp. Tell us something we don't know.

ajaykumar wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Last I heard prior to entering federal politics, Thomas Mulcair was Minister of the Environment, resigned for reasons of principle, and obviously took a serious pay cut.

Has Trudeau or Harper ever resigned on reason of principle or taken a pay cut for anything?

A politician never resigns because of principals.  

NorthReport

Will Thomas Mulcair repeat, or better, his 2011 performance in 2015, or 2016, whenever the election occurs?

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Never mind the revisionist history frequently spewed out by the mainstream press, Debater, Unionist and others.

Why did the NPD catch on in Quebec but the NDP didn't  light voter's fire in the rest of Canada in 2011?

Just askin'

 

NorthReport

Enough of the right-wing Conservative & Liberal bullshit! NPD needs to move on and win this election.

Overdue!

Frais de bureaux satellites du NPD: la Cour suprême sollicitée

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201502/...

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Why would the Cons and/or in particular the Liberals object to that?

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bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

Last I heard prior to entering federal politics, Thomas Mulcair was Minister of the Environment, resigned for reasons of principle, and obviously took a serious pay cut.

Has Trudeau or Harper ever resigned on reason of principle or taken a pay cut for anything?

 

The Honourable Thomas Mulcair


Thomas Mulcair, Lac des Castors, juin 2012.jpg

Leader of the Opposition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mulcair

According to your link:

During a February 27, 2006 Cabinet shuffle, Charest offered Mulcair the position of Minister of Government Services in the Quebec government, and Mulcair chose to resign from cabinet rather than accept the apparent demotion.[23] There was speculation that his contrary opinion on a project that would have transferred lands in Mont OrfordProvincial park to private condominium developers led to his removal as Minister of Sustainable Development, Environment and Parks.[17][24]

NorthReport

So becayne, has Trudeau or Harper ever resigned on a matter of principle like Mulcair has, and what part do you think Thomas Mulcair played in securing the 59 seats for the NPD in Quebec in the 2011 election that led to the NPD becoming Canada's Official Opposition for the first time ever?

ajaykumar

MULCAIR WAS DEMOTED WHICH IS WHY HE RESIGNED THAN TO ACCEPT ANOTHER CABINET POST. READ THE FULL WIKI.

NorthReport

Posting in all caps online comes across as shouting which is considered quite rude behavior.

You might want to consider reposting in lower case.

So aj do you think Mulcair was the key person in the NPD's securing 79% of the Quebec seats in 2011?

 

 

ajaykumar wrote:

MULCAIR WAS DEMOTED WHICH IS WHY HE RESIGNED THAN TO ACCEPT ANOTHER CABINET POST. READ THE FULL WIKI.

ajaykumar

you are being overly sensitive. i am using a tablet and my vision is weak so i used all caps. With regards to Mulcair, if he was the force behind orange wave. It would have shown signs earlier and come in 2008 election

NorthReport

Mulcair sounds quite principled here.

What part of the Orange Wave was Thomas Mulcair responsible for in 2011?

Brachina summed it up quite well upthread doncha think!

http://www.ctvnews.ca/ctv-news-channel/power-play-with-don-martin/defian...

 

NorthReport

No, you were shouting! At least be honest enough to admit it. And if you are going to lie about that, why should anyone believe anything you say?

 

ajaykumar wrote:

you are being overly sensitive. i am using a tablet and my vision is weak so i used all caps. With regards to Mulcair, if he was the force behind orange wave. It would have shown signs earlier and come in 2008 election

NorthReport

Anyway what part did Thomas Mulcair play in the Orange Wave of 2011? 

ajaykumar

NorthReport wrote:

No, you were shouting! At least be honest enough to admit it. And if you are going to lie about that, why should anyone believe anything you say?

 

ajaykumar wrote:

you are being overly sensitive. i am using a tablet and my vision is weak so i used all caps. With regards to Mulcair, if he was the force behind orange wave. It would have shown signs earlier and come in 2008 election

i am not lying, if you look at my posts today in other threads, i am making typos because i am on a tablet. Letters are capitalized in the middle of a word. MUlcair played no role in the orange wave in quebec. it was that show tout le monde en parle. 

Rokossovsky

What a pointless topic of discussion. That was then, this is now.

Debater

montrealer58 wrote:

With the NDP holding above 20%, it makes it impossible for the Liberals and Conservative to form a majority without climbing into bed with each other.

What? Surprised

Have people already forgotten the 2011 Election?  The NDP got OVER 30% and yet Harper won a Majority.

Where on earth does this idea come from that Harper can't win a Majority if the NDP is over 20%?

Has this board completely entered The Twilight Zone?

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

Right now all the polls are showing the Cons and the Liberals running about even around 33%. There are enough Conseratives who hate Trudeau (a 40-year-old sentiment) and there are enough Liberals who hate Harper (a 15-year-old sentiment) to make a perfect balance of hatred, which is a true driving force of Canadian political sentiment.

As far as the Liberals not getting enough seats to prevent the Conservatives from getting a majority, that is hardly the NDP's fault. The NDP made their best efforts yet to deliver non-Conservative seats. The Liberals did not put in a good effort. All the Liberals had to do was win 10-15 more seats. Major fail.

Although much is made about the NDP losing vote share since the last election, the fact remains that the NDP has restored its 20% base, which is what it always had when I was a young man and in the days of my parents. The NDP has also opened up a market for itself in Quebec which it never had before.

To me, the Quebec connection could be big. Progressives from across Canada could see what it is like in a society with fascist fear and austerity oppression. Despite a nationalist context, these are issues which affect the left across the world.

In the end, the question will be if the NDP can take the radical pressure which may be needed to kick things over and start again. Already here we see people who do not believe they could ever go far enough.

NorthReport

Thomas Mulcair joined the NDP in 1974 and has been a member for 30 years at least so Mulcair has a long historical connection to Canada only federal progressive left of centre political party