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Trudeau Leadership Fail: Liberal supporters need to reassess their options
Fri, 2015-05-01 11:34
#1
Trudeau Leadership Fail: Liberal supporters need to reassess their options
Fri, 2015-05-01 11:39
#2
Well Liberals gave Trudeau's leadership a good kick at the can but there is no longer any more time if we are serious about preventing another Harper majority..
Conservatives are now 8% ahead of the Liberals who are closely followed by the NDP who are only 4% behind them.
Federal Liberal voters need to pay serious attention to what is going on in Alberta. The collapsing Liberal vote which is shifting to the NDP is helping to rid Alberta of a 43 year right-wing political dynasty.
Isn't it time for Canadians to rid themselves of Harper as well?
Fri, 2015-05-01 12:01
#3
Listen to the comments about the possible federal election implications.
CBC At Issue panel: Upset ahead in Alberta election?
Peter Mansbridge talks with Andrew Coyne, Bruce Anderson, Chantal Hébert and Kathleen Petty
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cbc-at-issue-panel-upset-ahead-in-alberta-...
Fri, 2015-05-01 13:40
#4
And as well we may not have any more time:
Fri, 2015-05-01 13:42
#5
Conservatives increase fundraising advantage in first quarter of election year
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2015/05/01/conservatives-increase-fundr...
Fri, 2015-05-01 19:25
#6
Everytime I listen to commercial radio now in BC all I hear is " the budget will balance itself"
Sat, 2015-05-02 17:39
#7
Trudeau is as right-wing as Harper, maybe even more so, just watch him.
Unions on war path over Liberal criticism of NDP staffers’ union office
Two more union leaders are accusing Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau of hypocrisy on labour rights.
Unifor national president Jerry Dias and CLC president Hassan Yussuff have joined the chorus of union leaders who are furious that Liberals have criticized New Democrats for providing parliamentary office space to their staffers' union local.
They've sent letters to Trudeau denouncing the Liberal move, following the lead of three other unions — the United Food and Commercial Workers, United Steelworkers and Canadian Union of Public Employees.
In his letter, Dias says Liberal House leader Dominic LeBlanc's denunciation of the practice is "completely unacceptable" and leaves the impression that "workers' rights can be disregarded in the cause of cheap political theatre."
Yussuff says LeBlanc's criticism "doesn't square" with Trudeau's recent efforts to court the labour movement.
Both argue, as other union leaders have done, that it is common practice to negotiate collective agreements that require employers to provide office space for the union locals representing their workers.
The NDP is the only federal party that is unionized.
Dias's criticism of the Liberals is particularly significant because Unifor has adopted a policy of encouraging strategic voting — for either the NDP or Liberals — to defeat the Conservative government in this fall's federal election.
Unifor used to represent the NDP's 600 to 700 parliamentary staffers but its refusal to unequivocally back the party prompted them to find a new union home, with the UFCW, last year.
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2015/05/02/unions-on-war-path-over-libe...
Sat, 2015-05-02 22:51
#8
Dias most be really pissed to attack the Liberals over this.
As for Trudeau's Budget comment, I get what he was saying, that as the economy grows, revenue increases.for the gov and as such the deficts will shrink, but the way he said it, most people won't get that, they'll here deficts magically disappear on they're down. If Trudeau said he planned on paying off the defict by increasing the economy and using the increased revenue to balance the books he'd have no problem, but that's not what he actually said, it makes him sound so fucking stupid when its playing on the radio, I don't think.he's stupid, he just sounded that way. His comment was a giant kick me sign and the Tories are indeed kicking him.
Sat, 2015-05-02 23:00
#9
montrealer58
Budgets do not "balance themselves". If you let a budget go to shit, it will go to shit.
Sat, 2015-05-02 23:17
#10
Dias most be really pissed to attack the Liberals over this.
That's your explanation, is it?
You must be really pissed that Dias is attacking the Liberals. Doesn't fit with the RAH RAH RAH I HATE THE LIBERAL-LOVING UNIONS mantra of certain babblers.
The world is just a total mystery. Why can't people just buy fucking party jerseys, cheer for their team, and leave it at that? Why is the world so fucking complicated?????????????
Sat, 2015-05-02 23:35
#11
Dias most be really pissed to attack the Liberals over this.
As for Trudeau's Budget comment, I get what he was saying, that as the economy grows, revenue increases.for the gov and as such the deficts will shrink, but the way he said it, most people won't get that, they'll here deficts magically disappear on they're down. If Trudeau said he planned on paying off the defict by increasing the economy and using the increased revenue to balance the books he'd have no problem, but that's not what he actually said, it makes him sound so fucking stupid when its playing on the radio, I don't think.he's stupid, he just sounded that way. His comment was a giant kick me sign and the Tories are indeed kicking him.
I agree with you on the Trudeau comment about budgets balancing themselves. He put it the wrong way and it is coming back to him. I don't use this one against Trudeau in part because the last time I heard this comment it was from the NDP in Ontario.
I understand what Trudeau said although I disagree with him -- I do not think the budget will balance merely with growth in the economy -- and that is becuase the Harper government purposely degraded the finances of the government through unsustainable tax cuts. Some of the Conservative tax cuts must be reversed -- Income splitting, TFSAs, corporate tax cuts etc.
The NDP in Ontario in 1993-1994 was faced with calls for radical cuts ot fight the deficit. At the time they pointed out that as the economy recovered revenue would recover and consider the tax base of the time this was true. In fact had the NDP remained in power they would have balanced the books before the Harris government who slashed taxes and then had to hack through services to pay for the cuts. Left alone that budget would have balanced and the economists at the time agreed. The same istrue federally. The restraint we see from the Conservatives is to pay for their tax cuts not to fix a problem that would otherwise exist with the country's finances.
Still ridiculing Trudeau on this is pretending not to understand him becuase he is still more correct in this statement than the Conservatives.
Sun, 2015-05-03 02:16
#12
Unions turn against Trudeau Liberals
Two more union leaders are accusing Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau of hypocrisy on labour rights. Unifor national president Jerry Dias and CLC president Hassan Yussuff have joined the chorus of union leaders who are furious that Liberals have criticized New…
Sun, 2015-05-03 02:16
#13
Dias most be really pissed to attack the Liberals over this.
That's your explanation, is it?
You must be really pissed that Dias is attacking the Liberals. Doesn't fit with the RAH RAH RAH I HATE THE LIBERAL-LOVING UNIONS mantra of certain babblers.
The world is just a total mystery. Why can't people just buy fucking party jerseys, cheer for their team, and leave it at that? Why is the world so fucking complicated?????????????
Or we could all go around and just bitch about every team like you. Usually saving your most cynical attack at those you purport to support.
Sun, 2015-05-03 15:25
#14
Dias most be really pissed to attack the Liberals over this.
That's your explanation, is it?
You must be really pissed that Dias is attacking the Liberals. Doesn't fit with the RAH RAH RAH I HATE THE LIBERAL-LOVING UNIONS mantra of certain babblers.
The world is just a total mystery. Why can't people just buy fucking party jerseys, cheer for their team, and leave it at that? Why is the world so fucking complicated?????????????
Or we could all go around and just bitch about every team like you. Usually saving your most cynical attack at those you purport to support.
+1
Sun, 2015-05-03 15:31
#15
Dias most be really pissed to attack the Liberals over this.
That's your explanation, is it?
You must be really pissed that Dias is attacking the Liberals. Doesn't fit with the RAH RAH RAH I HATE THE LIBERAL-LOVING UNIONS mantra of certain babblers.
The world is just a total mystery. Why can't people just buy fucking party jerseys, cheer for their team, and leave it at that? Why is the world so fucking complicated?????????????
Or we could all go around and just bitch about every team like you. Usually saving your most cynical attack at those you purport to support.+1
+2. Exactly
“A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing.”
― Oscar Wilde
Mon, 2015-05-04 08:43
#16
Rumour has it that Trudeau is going to start releasing his platform this week including 2 economic announcements,.including increasing income tax. Saying no income tax increases was a mistake on Tom's part, not that I believe for a minute Trudeau will keep his word, if he wins it will go the way of open nominations.
Mon, 2015-05-04 16:17
#17
Interesting how the media lambasted Layton about the "death tax" yet I think trudeau will get fist bumps for almost copying NDP platform that has already been costed.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-plan-taxes-top-1-to-cut-t...
Justin Trudeau has unveiled the Liberal alternative to the Harper government's economic plan: hike taxes for the wealthiest one per cent to pay for more generous child benefits and an across-the-board income tax cut for the middle class.
Under the Liberal proposal announced Monday:
- The 22-per-cent tax rate for anyone with a taxable annual income between $44,701 and $89,401 would be cut to 20.5 per cent.
- A new tax bracket of 33 per cent would be imposed on those with taxable incomes over $200,000 a year. The current top bracket of 29 per cent would continue to apply to those earning between $138,586 and $200,000.
- The Conservatives' newly enriched universal child care benefit would be replaced by rolling together two other existing child benefits into a single, more generous, monthly, tax-free "Canada child benefit."
- The Conservatives' income-splitting tax credit would be scrapped.
The near doubling of the tax-free savings account contribution limits announced in the federal budget would be cancelled.
So how much of that BOLD platfrom sounds already vaguely familiar minus 15 dollar a day chid care.
Mon, 2015-05-04 16:26
#18
Interesting how the media lambasted Layton about the "death tax" yet I think trudeau will get fist bumps for almost copying NDP platform that has already been costed.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-plan-taxes-top-1-to-cut-t...
Justin Trudeau has unveiled the Liberal alternative to the Harper government's economic plan: hike taxes for the wealthiest one per cent to pay for more generous child benefits and an across-the-board income tax cut for the middle class.
Under the Liberal proposal announced Monday:
- The 22-per-cent tax rate for anyone with a taxable annual income between $44,701 and $89,401 would be cut to 20.5 per cent.
- A new tax bracket of 33 per cent would be imposed on those with taxable incomes over $200,000 a year. The current top bracket of 29 per cent would continue to apply to those earning between $138,586 and $200,000.
- The Conservatives' newly enriched universal child care benefit would be replaced by rolling together two other existing child benefits into a single, more generous, monthly, tax-free "Canada child benefit."
- The Conservatives' income-splitting tax credit would be scrapped.
The near doubling of the tax-free savings account contribution limits announced in the federal budget would be cancelled.
So how much of that BOLD platfrom sounds already vaguely familiar minus 15 dollar a day chid care.
Yeah. No childcare commitment.
Mon, 2015-05-04 16:40
#19
montrealer58
This is funny. Trudeau gives no excuses for Conservatives to vote for him, and no excuses for NDP.
The media has to stay relevant to keep an audience. If ratings drop when they trash the NDP and talk up the Liebrals, they will have to change their tune.
If 44% are voting NDP and you are advertising a detergent, you do not want to piss off 44% of the population. Any billionaire wil tell you that money is more important than politics.
Through extremely bad judgement by Trudeau and his brains trust, the Liberals are fading into irrelevance.
We see the Liberal shills talking up Prentice so we know which side their bread is buttered on.
Mon, 2015-05-04 16:50
#20
This is funny. Trudeau gives no excuses for Conservatives to vote for him, and no excuses for NDP.
The media has to stay relevant to keep an audience. If ratings drop when they trash the NDP and talk up the Liebrals, they will have to change their tune.
If 44% are voting NDP and you are advertising a detergent, you do not want to piss off 44% of the population. Any billionaire wil tell you that money is more important than politics.
Through extremely bad judgement by Trudeau and his brains trust, the Liberals are fading into irrelevance.
We see the Liberal shills talking up Prentice so we know which side their bread is buttered on.
All he needs are liberal supporters. I haven't noticed the press trashing the NDP though I do expect the Liberals to get some attention with this release. It would be odd for the press to ignore it.
Is there a poll somewhere indicating that 44% are voting NDP federally?
Mon, 2015-05-04 17:18
#21
Rumour has it that Trudeau is going to start releasing his platform this week including 2 economic announcements,.including increasing income tax. Saying no income tax increases was a mistake on Tom's part, not that I believe for a minute Trudeau will keep his word, if he wins it will go the way of open nominations.
This really bothered me when he said it a couple of years ago. Now it has a chance of backfiring. Committing to a more progressive income tax mechanism, coupled with national childcare, raising minimum wage and increasing corporate taxes would have been an excellent, consistent platform for the party to run on.
Mon, 2015-05-04 18:22
#22
I think there is an opening for income tax changes if they are revenue neutral-- increase on wealthier and reduce on lower income is not an overall tax increase.
But I agree -- it was too categorical. At the time I wondered if it meant overall or for any particular bracket. I still don't know.
Mon, 2015-05-04 19:49
#23
Rumour has it that Trudeau is going to start releasing his platform this week including 2 economic announcements,.including increasing income tax. Saying no income tax increases was a mistake on Tom's part, not that I believe for a minute Trudeau will keep his word, if he wins it will go the way of open nominations.
This really bothered me when he said it a couple of years ago. Now it has a chance of backfiring. Committing to a more progressive income tax mechanism, coupled with national childcare, raising minimum wage and increasing corporate taxes would have been an excellent, consistent platform for the party to run on.
Maybe Trudeau can lead him in the right direction.
Mon, 2015-05-04 21:26
#24
You mean the puppet master Garald Butts, and I perfer to think of it as an opportunity to rise to the challenge.
Look I admit this is a clever lie, and I don't think Mulcair will raise income tax rates in total, Mulcair will likely meet the challenge with another creative policy.
Mon, 2015-05-04 22:55
#25
John Ibbitson from.the Globe and Mail has a great column on Trudeau's tax shift that made me alot less concerned. He says that Trudeau just turned his back on Tom Mulcair which is a dangerous thing to do. He also points out that this does nothing for the.poor, does.nothing for the enviroment, does.nothing for inforstructure, childcare, ect... aside from the tax increase on the rich, its actually very conservative.
Mon, 2015-05-04 23:12
#26
It's a risky move, though. It might drive away his right flank, and even a few percentage points right now could have bad consequences. All the Liberals have to offer is the notion that they can beat Harper. Losing more support to the Cons will punch a big hole in that notion, and could send their left leaning voters fleeing to the NDP.
Tue, 2015-05-05 02:34
#27
John Ibbitson from.the Globe and Mail has a great column on Trudeau's tax shift that made me alot less concerned. He says that Trudeau just turned his back on Tom Mulcair which is a dangerous thing to do. He also points out that this does nothing for the.poor, does.nothing for the enviroment, does.nothing for inforstructure, childcare, ect... aside from the tax increase on the rich, its actually very conservative.
Here's a link to the article: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/if-youre-in-the-right-tax-b...
Tue, 2015-05-05 07:25
#28
Thanks mark.
Tue, 2015-05-05 11:39
#29
montrealer58
Being a Scot, I can see Ibbotson switching from a Tory hat to an NDP one without a blink. I think you may even find that other journalists who have had to toe a hard-right Liberal-Conservative line are enthusiastic leftists under it all. If the media keep trashing the NDP, people are going to switch it off. Then there will be no cost per thousand metrics for the advertisers, and bye bye TV station. Even today the media has to understand the social reality of its audience. If the audience is taking its blinkers off, so must the media.
The other virtuous thing about this shift is that the other parties must define themselves in terms of it.
"Look in the mirror" indeed. That crack by Prentice along the lines of "You get what you deserve" was positively Calligulan!
Tue, 2015-05-05 11:56
#30
"The "rich" make the majority of their income from investments, which aren't affected by this tax hike. The people who will be affected the most are the "professional class" of doctors and middle management who earn their money my working 9-to-5 like everyone else.
If you really want to tax the "rich", you need to target capital gains and close tax loopholes. Here's an idea: tax capital gains at the same rate as regular income, but give all Canadians a "base amount" of capital gains that are tax free so regular people won't be penalized for being responsible saver"
The above is a qoute of OttawaEvan who commented in the blog post and he makes a ton of sense, going after stuff like capital gain and loopholes will do more then raising an income rate that few rich people actually pay.
Tue, 2015-05-05 16:13
#31
“really great people”
Asked about the mass arrests at the G20, and the widespread abuse of civil rights that happened there, Trudeau shrugged. “I’m not going to Monday morning quarterback decisions made five years ago by the chief of police,” he said, as Blair beamed at his side. It’s unclear if anyone asked Trudeau about Blair’s enthusiasm for carding blacks, a practice he repeatedly and aggressively defended when he was Chief of Police. Instead, Trudeau merely said: “One of the things you’ve all seen from me over the past two years is that I have dedicated myself to trying to draw great people into politics.” Really? Seriously? If Justin Trudeau really wanted to draw “great people into politics,” he’d be recruiting people like John and Hannah Booth, or Desmond Cole. Not the thug who victimized them.
http://warrenkinsella.com/2015/05/in-this-weeks-hill-times-really-great-...
Tue, 2015-05-05 19:45
#32
Rememember all income earners over 44,000 will get a tax break, even if you earn 200,000 you still have a tax reduction at the 44,000-88,000 brackets. Its not like all income is taxed at 29% they pay the EXACT same taxes as we do at each income level. They however have many ways of having tax reductions thourgh credits , capital gains, TFSA etc because their signifcantly highter disposable income.
Tue, 2015-05-05 19:50
#33
I love the smell of Liberal infighting.
Tue, 2015-05-05 20:47
#34
montrealer58
Remember, this is all about Liberal "policy", which is a fiction in the first place.
These are "Liberal Election Promises" which about 94.4% of Canadians know well about and 5.6% refuse to admit.
Trudeau's idea is to siphon off enough NDP votes so his friend Stephen Harper can continue to be Prime Minister. If he was ever elected, he will do nothing of the kind.
This is a complete pack of lies and is not worthy of debate. Empty rhetoric from an increasingly irrelevant party.
Wed, 2015-05-06 23:43
#35
Shameful! 
With support from Liberals, Conservatives pass controversial anti-terror bill
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2015/05/06/with-support-from-liberals-c...
Wed, 2015-05-06 23:55
#36
montrealer58
I don't think the Liberals are going to live this down. They cannot say they stand for the Charter of Rights any more.
Thu, 2015-05-07 08:26
#37
Civil liberties may well develop as. Wedge issue between the NDP and the Liberals:
C-51
Blair's up port of Kettering and illegal detentions at the G20 demonstrations
Balir's racist carding policy
Trudeau' support of Harper' minimum sentences for many offences including growing marijuana.
Thu, 2015-05-07 08:49
#38
I think there is an opening for income tax changes if they are revenue neutral-- increase on wealthier and reduce on lower income is not an overall tax increase.
But I agree -- it was too categorical. At the time I wondered if it meant overall or for any particular bracket. I still don't know.
I wonder how many different ways there are to interpret this:
“She’s [Linda McQuaig] an extraordinary candidate ... but she’s also playing now as part of a team and there’s not the slightest problem with that,” he said. “I’m very clear, no increases in personal taxes will be in any way shape or form part of our political offer in 2015.”
Thu, 2015-05-07 09:06
#39
That was one reason I supported Topp over Mulcair for the leadership. That said, Mulcair has impressed me. The willingness to increase taxes on corporations and to fully tax capital gains, along with the willingness to implement a national cap and trade system (and other planks they've announced), is sufficient for my support. Trudeau's stance of rejigging stuff to provide a tax cut for the middle class (while providing squat for the poor) and basically providing nothing else just doesn't make it for me.
Thu, 2015-05-07 10:43
#40
Just for 2015. It was a strategic choice, not an ideological one. Hopefully an increase will be on the table in 2019.
Thu, 2015-05-07 21:27
#41
Well Liberals gave Trudeau's leadership a good kick at the can but there is no longer any more time if we are serious about preventing another Harper majority..
Conservatives are now 8% ahead of the Liberals who are closely followed by the NDP who are only 4% behind them.
Federal Liberal voters need to pay serious attention to what is going on in Alberta. The collapsing Liberal vote which is shifting to the NDP is helping to rid Alberta of a 43 year right-wing political dynasty.
Isn't it time for Canadians to rid themselves of Harper as well?
I agree with you 100%.
Justin Trudeau is done. The Federal Liberals are finished.
Everyone should vote NDP this year.
Thu, 2015-05-07 21:51
#42
Debater you've finally rejected the Dark Side, and come over to the good guys, congrats!
Thu, 2015-05-07 21:51
#43
Debater you've finally rejected the Dark Side, and come over to the good guys, congrats!
Thu, 2015-05-07 22:14
#44
Well, Brachina, as I've mentioned to you before, taking partisianship too far (eg. believing that one party is pure good ("the good guys") and one is totally bad ("the Dark Side") can lead the NDP astray in the way that the Liberals have done.
While I think the Federal Liberals have lost their way, I don't think that means the NDP is posessed of Saintly virtue. You have to realize these are political parties composed of politicians, and all parties, including the NDP, contain opportunists & people who sell out.
Thu, 2015-05-07 22:25
#45
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I'll re-post here what I said in the UK Forum about the political situation that the Liberals & NDP are in this year. Each party will put out its own spin & argument for being the strongest alternative to Harper:
1.) CPC strategists such as Gerry Nicholls and Tom Flanagan have said that Harper wants to eliminate the Liberals because he views the NDP as a weaker opponent and feels that they would have a lot of trouble beating the Conservatives (as they did in 2011.)
2.) I've given up on trying to predict the outcome of the 2015 Federal Election, and will no longer be suggesting that people vote Liberal as the main way of beating the Harper Cons.
3.) The provincial Alberta NDP win, while having nothing to do with Mulcair, obviously has caused the Federal NDP to claim that they can beat the Cons even though they failed to do so in 2011. Meanwhile, the Liberals, who had a good opportunity at one point of beating the Harper Cons, have lost their way recently, particularly on Bill C-51.
4.) In conclusion, I've reached the point where if the NDP & the Liberals each want to fight it out and each claim that they can beat the Cons, I think we will just have to fight it out and let the chips fall where they may.
Harper may end up being the big winner.
Or maybe there will be a surprise and he will end up a loser like Prentice.
5.) There could also be an opening for the Greens this year (as they've already done in certain provincial elections).
Btw, I cancelled my Liberal membership after the Bill C-51 vote and quit my riding executive. I also sent an e-mail to Gerald Butts telling him that he & Justin Trudeau have lost quite a few progressive voters this Spring, and that Trudeau's stature among progressives has been diminished while Mulcair's has been strengthened.
Thu, 2015-05-07 23:20
#46
I've had some harsh words for you Debater but I must say I am moved by what you have written.
I know you were a pronounced partisan and argued the cause of your party with some zeal. Your decision must have been a difficult one for you.
Thu, 2015-05-07 23:20
#47
I've had some harsh words for you Debater but I must say I am moved by what you have written.
I know you were a pronounced partisan and argued the cause of your party with some zeal. Your decision must have been a difficult one for you.
Fri, 2015-05-08 02:49
#48
There are good liberals debater. Irwin Cotler comes to mind. The ones who brought me to the NDP were all former libs. But the overall progressive push has always been in the NDP. It was the NDP keeping the libs on their toes over a wide range of social programs. Sometimes like for medicare they were dragged kicking and screaming before they agreed to it when facing the electorate. Running from the left and ruling from the right is their unspoken but well executed mantra of the last 40 years. C-51 is a break with that pattern that Trudeau should have realized. It would have been smarter and incredibly easy for him to say we will oppose this legislation and introduce our own when we come to power in a mere few months. By supporting C-51 he showed his true card of wanting to appeal to not just fiscal conservatives but some social conservatives as well.
I hope more people realize this by October.
Fri, 2015-05-08 03:04
#49
http://castlegarsource.com/news/out-left-field-trudeau-throws-election-n...
In my opinion, every NDP MP should be sending Justin Trudeau a Christmas card this year.
Not because they like or agree with him, but because I think he just unwittingly threw an election and drastically limited left wing vote-splitting, giving the Federal NDPs their first fighting chance at really taking the House of Commons.
Fri, 2015-05-08 03:49
#50
I agree.
There is a warning here to the Canadian Liberals. The Trudeau Liberals have lost a lot of progressive voters over their support of Bill C-51. I have seen a number of Liberal-NDP swing voters who were previously in the Trudeau camp switch to the Mulcair NDP this month.
Fri, 2015-05-08 04:04
#51
That column by Kyra Hoggan is bang-on.
It's almost exactly what I have been thinking and seeing over the past week.
I think KH describes a very likely scenario that could unfold this year.
However, as we have seen, politics is very unpredictable and has a lot of curve balls. And it's possible that the Liberal gambit on C-51 could pay off. It depends on whether voters really do get sick enough of Harper and whether red tories/blue liberals in Ontario who blocked the Layton NDP in 2011 are still afraid of the NDP and decide to go with the Liberals this time if they think Harper is done. If that happens, Trudeau could pull this out.
If not, Trudeau will be in big trouble, just as KH forecasts.