Open letter to rabble re: Meghan Murphy

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Open letter to rabble re: Meghan Murphy

Open Letter to rabble re: Meghan Murphy Posted on 05/11/2015 by elizabeth

To: The Editors, Publishers, Founders and Editorial Board – rabble.ca

We, the undersigned, wish to express our deep dissatisfaction with rabble’s response to the recent attacks on Meghan Murphy.

In past weeks, Meghan Murphy has become the target of a vicious and focused attack that we believe is aimed not only at her—as the most visible voice of a set of feminist principles with which we broadly agree—but at women in general and feminists specifically.

This attack—sparked by an article at Playboy magazine and a petition inspired by the Men’s Rights Movement and women who are known for their promotion of the sex industry—focuses nominally on a brief piece written by Murphy in response to nude photos published by a trans woman named Laverne Cox. Her piece criticized the notion that the publication of highly sexualized, pornographic photographs of a woman or trans woman is “empowering.” We see no fair basis upon which the piece can be characterized as “transphobic.” Moreover, the definition of “transphobia” is, like its partner in discourse, “whorephobia,” a subject of debate. For those of us who still adhere to democratic standards and principles of fair journalism, it is disturbing to see critique converted to “phobia/personal attack” resulting in an end to rational discussion.

Given that there is no reasonable argument that Murphy’s article discriminates against or is disrespectful to trans people, it is our belief that the breadth and vitriol of the attack on her and the ideas she articulates is rooted in a broader attempt to marginalize and inevitably silence women and feminists who agree with her political views—and ours.

As evidenced by her work at Feminist Current and at rabble, Murphy has taken a principled, feminist position in opposition to the institutionalization of women’s oppression and exploitation through prostitution and in support of the goal of the abolition of prostitution beginning with the criminalization of the men in charge of the prostitution industry—pimps and traffickers—and the consumers of women’s bodies—johns.

There has been, and is, deep division across many constituencies with respect to this issue, accompanied by a concerted effort from the sex industry and those on the sex industry bandwagon—often including women—to attack, smear, stalk, harass and threaten any woman—or man—who threatens the flow of cash streaming from women’s backs into the pockets of exploiters. In our view rabble has consistently supported, published and given wide berth to these voices at the expense of reasoned argument, debate and discussion, rather than articulate a principled stand on the issue.

The one ray of light at rabble on feminist issues and prostitution is Meghan Murphy. Unlike many in the pro-prostitution, anti-feminist, and transactivist movements, Murphy depends on analysis and reasoned argument in articles she has written at Feminist Current and rabble. Her detractors have failed to actually engage with the arguments Murphy makes. Instead they favour vicious, personal attacks and astroturfing. These attacks now threaten her employment and career, not only at rabble, but elsewhere.

As women and feminists who depend on Murphy’s integrity as a journalist and her ability to think and write analytically and lucidly, this is of deep concern to us. We support her and we vehemently oppose the effort to silence her public voice.

But the issue goes beyond Murphy herself to the principles of journalism, democracy and the valorization of public speech for a wide variety of otherwise marginalized voices. It is obvious that we live in difficult political times wherein there is deep polarization across many political divides and within oppressed communities with respect to political and “cultural” issues. While it may not be possible for rabble to take a principled position on each and every issue, we, your readers, demand that at the very least you provide an environment wherein reasoned discussion is encouraged and ad hominem attack is not tolerated.

Many of the blog and opinion pieces you have sponsored have not met that basic expectation. Personal attack against certain voices appears to be encouraged, thus legitimizing the kind of vicious campaign levelled against Meghan Murphy and her supporters. By not taking a firm stand and making a clear statement in support of Murphy’s journalism, published in your own digital pages and appreciated by a broad spectrum of women, feminists, and male supporters of feminist principles, you are implicated in the current witch hunt. rabble thus harms not only Meghan Murphy both personally and professionally, but also stifles public discussion of complex and difficult issues that are simply not covered adequately in mainstream media.

We believe that rabble has a responsibility to affirm its commitment to giving the voices of the largest class of oppressed humanity—women, and most especially Indigenous women, women of colour and women living in poverty —a hearing and a public forum for principled debate. We would like to see a new statement that acknowledges that rabble accepts its responsibility to act with professional and political integrity in the treatment of its staff, its writers, and the national and global feminist movement.

Yours truly,

ORGANIZATIONS:

Feministas of Canada (and hundreds of others)

French translation available at link.

 

onlinediscountanvils

Doesn't this belong in reactions?

Sineed

Hmm...probably, come to think of it. I'll let the moderators call it.

Unionist

I think it belongs everywhere. Thanks, Sineed.

And what the hell is rabble waiting for?

Do the right thing, please.

 

Sineed

The objectification of women encourages body shaming by presenting an unrealistic ideal body type for female.

takeitslowly

I fully support anyone's opinon and expression.

I would like to express my opinon that rabble.ca should not support or condone anyone who promotes the body shaming of all women (which include trans women) simply because we take hormones and may or may not have surgery for our condition. It is hurtful and it is an attack on our identity.

Body shaming is wrong and is anti-women.

http://groupthink.jezebel.com/tw-transmisogyny-bad-feminism-and-laverne-...

[i]I feel like I don’t even know how to start approaching this. How does she get to determine that Cox’s body is “cartoonish” or “porn-y”? What size implants does Laverne need to get to be “appropriate” in her mind? How does this not strike the author as the worst kind of body-shaming?[/i]

Posing nude on Allure magazine (which is not an adult magainze or pornographic) without showing any private private or nipples is not anti feminist.

Do the right thing please by becoming more educated about trans issue and say no to transmisogyny.

takeitslowly

http://feministcurrent.com/7173/girls-explains-the-difference-between-po...

Actually even Meghan Murphy agree with me, there is a difference between porn and nudity.

[i]It is possible for there to be depictions of sex and sexuality on television and on film and it is possible for female bodies to exist on screen (even naked!) without those images constituting pornography or exploitation.[/i]

But she decides that the body of Laverne Cox is cartoonish and porno like...wow. I wonder why?

I am really disappointed at so many of you on rabble.

Pondering

takeitslowly wrote:
http://feministcurrent.com/7173/girls-explains-the-difference-between-po... Actually even Meghan Murphy agree with me, there is a difference between porn and nudity. [i]It is possible for there to be depictions of sex and sexuality on television and on film and it is possible for female bodies to exist on screen (even naked!) without those images constituting pornography or exploitation.[/i] But she decides that the body of Laverne Cox is cartoonish and porno like...wow. I wonder why? I am really disappointed at so many of you on rabble.

Not just Cox's body, ALL women's bodies when presented the way that Cox presented hers in playboy are cartoonish.  Don't trans women want to be treated like all women or are you claiming that we should have a separate standard for trans bodies?

takeitslowly

Pondering wrote:

takeitslowly wrote:
http://feministcurrent.com/7173/girls-explains-the-difference-between-po... Actually even Meghan Murphy agree with me, there is a difference between porn and nudity. [i]It is possible for there to be depictions of sex and sexuality on television and on film and it is possible for female bodies to exist on screen (even naked!) without those images constituting pornography or exploitation.[/i] But she decides that the body of Laverne Cox is cartoonish and porno like...wow. I wonder why? I am really disappointed at so many of you on rabble.

Not just Cox's body, ALL women's bodies when presented the way that Cox presented hers in playboy are cartoonish.  Don't trans women want to be treated like all women or are you claiming that we should have a separate standard for trans bodies?

Whao stop right there with your misinformation about the playboy reference.

Cox posed on Allure magazine , Allure is a U.S. women's beauty magazine, published monthly by Conde Nast in New York City. It was founded in 1991 by editor in chief LindaAllure is a U.S. women's beauty magazine, published monthly by Conde Nast in New York City. 

Your prejudice against trans women and your stereotype about us is showing.

 

Pondering

takeitslowly wrote:

Pondering wrote:

takeitslowly wrote:
http://feministcurrent.com/7173/girls-explains-the-difference-between-po... Actually even Meghan Murphy agree with me, there is a difference between porn and nudity. [i]It is possible for there to be depictions of sex and sexuality on television and on film and it is possible for female bodies to exist on screen (even naked!) without those images constituting pornography or exploitation.[/i] But she decides that the body of Laverne Cox is cartoonish and porno like...wow. I wonder why? I am really disappointed at so many of you on rabble.

Not just Cox's body, ALL women's bodies when presented the way that Cox presented hers in playboy are cartoonish.  Don't trans women want to be treated like all women or are you claiming that we should have a separate standard for trans bodies?

Whao stop right there with your misinformation about the playboy reference.

Cox posed on Allure magazine , Allure is a U.S. women's beauty magazine, published monthly by Conde Nast in New York City. It was founded in 1991 by editor in chief LindaAllure is a U.S. women's beauty magazine, published monthly by Conde Nast in New York City. 

Your prejudice against trans women is showing.

Fine, in Allure then, it makes no difference. Beauty magazines do the same thing as playboy; they present unreal images of women.

lagatta

No, that doesn't prove any such prejudice.

takeitslowly

Allure focuses on beauty, fashion, and women’s health. Allure was the first women’s magazine to write about the health risks associated with silicone breast implants, and has reported on other controversial health issues.Allure has received 29 awards from the American Academy of Dermatology, 9 journalism awards from the Fragrance Foundation, and the Excellence in Media Award from the Skin Cancer Foundation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allure_%28magazine%29#Awards_.28for_Allure.29

Yeah, just like playboy. LOL.

 

 

Its no prejudice to suggest Cox is not any different than a playboy model. Riiiight.

Pondering

takeitslowly wrote:

Allure focuses on beauty, fashion, and women’s health. Allure was the first women’s magazine to write about the health risks associated with silicone breast implants, and has reported on other controversial health issues.Allure has received 29 awards from the American Academy of Dermatology, 9 journalism awards from the Fragrance Foundation, and the Excellence in Media Award from the Skin Cancer Foundation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allure_%28magazine%29#Awards_.28for_Allure.29

Yeah, just like playboy, no difference at all.

So what is your point? From what I have heard playboy also has serious articles. We aren't discussing the articles of either magazine we are discussing the images both produce. You can add Cosmo and Seventeen and countless others to the list.

Pondering

takeitslowly wrote:

U.S. women's beauty magazine found by editor in chief Linda Wells ( an American journalistan who began her  career at Vogue, where she wrote and edited stories about beauty, health, nutrition, and fitness) and Playboy found by Hugh Hefner can basically be used interchangeably because they are very similar.

When discussing some of the images they produce, yes, they can be. The image Allure printed could just as easily been printed by playboy. That Allure did it doesn't somehow sanctify the image.

takeitslowly

U.S. women's beauty magazine found by editor in chief Linda Wells ( an American journalist who began her  career at Vogue, where she wrote and edited stories about beauty, health, nutrition, and fitness) and Playboy found by Hugh Hefner (who lives with playboy bunny  at the Playboy Mansion)  can basically be used interchangeably because they are very similar. Okay, I got it!

Brachina

 How much Playboy and Allure do you read Pondering to be such an expert in this, or do you only read them for the articles :-) 

quizzical

is this about pondering now? talk about toxcity!

takeitslowly

Pondering wrote:

takeitslowly wrote:

U.S. women's beauty magazine found by editor in chief Linda Wells ( an American journalistan who began her  career at Vogue, where she wrote and edited stories about beauty, health, nutrition, and fitness) and Playboy found by Hugh Hefner can basically be used interchangeably because they are very similar.

When discussing some of the images they produce, yes, they can be. The image Allure printed could just as easily been printed by playboy. That Allure did it doesn't somehow sanctify the image.

 

and some of the images Picasso produced make him  a pornographer. He might as well be one really.  lol

 

 

Lena dunham, an actress, author, screenwriter, producer, and director who wrote and diirected the independent film Tiny Furniture,  the creator, writer and star of the HBO series Girls, is a porn star too. I saw her naked body and not just that, she was having sex on HBO , its really not any diffferent than porn.

 

Sarah Jessica Parker from Sex and the City? I saw her having sex on TV too.  Practically a pornstar.

Pondering

takeitslowly wrote:

Pondering wrote:

takeitslowly wrote:

U.S. women's beauty magazine found by editor in chief Linda Wells ( an American journalistan who began her  career at Vogue, where she wrote and edited stories about beauty, health, nutrition, and fitness) and Playboy found by Hugh Hefner can basically be used interchangeably because they are very similar.

When discussing some of the images they produce, yes, they can be. The image Allure printed could just as easily been printed by playboy. That Allure did it doesn't somehow sanctify the image.

and some of the images Picasso produced make him  a pornographer. He might as well be one really.  lol

Lena dunham, an actress, author, screenwriter, producer, and director who wrote and diirected the independent film Tiny Furniture,  the creator, writer and star of the HBO series Girls, is a porn star too. I saw her naked body and not just that, she was having sex on HBO , its really not any diffferent than porn.

Sarah Jessica Parker from Sex and the City? I saw her having sex on TV too.  Pornstar.

No one is calling Cox or Dunham or Parker a porn star but do you have something against porn stars? You seem to think being called one is an insult.

takeitslowly

No, I didnt call Cox a pornstar because I didn't see her having sex. But I saw Dunham having sex naked on HBO and some of the images she produced of herself can be seen in porn as well, which does make her like a pornstar. I am not insulting her by saying she is just like a porn star.  I am just discussing the fact that she is just like one in some of the images she produced. Is that insulting to her? It shouldn't be, right? Theres's no prejudice against them. Pornstars are people just like you and me.

 

Come to think of it, I think i saw more flesh from Ladygaga than I ever saw from Cox...hum.

 

Come to think of it, most actresses have appeared on Playboy magazines or something similar to that you know, like Vogue. A good number of them have also participated in pornographic scenes. I have to say Kate Winslet is one of the few actresses who participated in a few significant pornographic scenes. I hope Meghan Murphy writes about Kate Winslet and how dis empowering she has been to every single woman throughout her career. But I have no prejudices against Lena or Kate Winselt, Sarah Jessica Parker or Halle Berry etc  for doing porno scenes or posing on women magainzes or Playboy. meh.

Pondering

takeitslowly wrote:
No, I didnt call Cox a pornstar because I didn't see her having sex. But I saw Dunham having sex naked on HBO and some of the images she produced of herself can be seen in porn as well, which does make her like a pornstar. I am not insulting her by saying she is just like a porn star.  I am just discussing the fact that she is just like one in some of the images she produced. Is that insulting to her? It shouldn't be, right? Theres's no prejudice against them. Pornstars are people just like you and me.

Come to think of it, I think i saw more flesh from Ladygaga than I ever saw from Cox...hum.

Come to think of it, most actresses have appeared on Playboy magazines or something similar to that you know, like Vogue. A good number of them have also participated in pornographic scenes. I have to say Kate Winslet is one of the few actresses who participated in a few significant pornographic scenes. I hope Meghan Murphy writes about Kate Winslet and how dis empowering she has been to every single woman throughout her career. But I have no prejudices against Lena or Kate Winselt, Sarah Jessica Parker or Halle Berry etc  for doing porno scenes or posing on women magainzes or Playboy. meh.

So why are you talking about porn stars then? None of these women are porn stars or are being accused of being porn stars including Cox.

Pondering

takeitslowly wrote:

So what is your point? We are  discussing the images these actresses produce, which are scenes that can be found in porno. You can also add Angelina Jolie as one of thsoe who participated in some intense pornographic scens and Nicole Kidman for posing her objectified body full frontal on a magazine similar to playboy years ago.

My point is that no one is being called a porn star. Yes, Jolie and Kidman have certainly both contributed to the objectification of women. I don't really know much about either of them, if they claim to be feminist or not, but their images are not empowering to women.

MMs complaint is describing the Cox picture as empowering for any kind of women therefore feminist in some manner. The image is not feminist and it isn't empowering for women as a class to be depicted that way, with or without clothes.

takeitslowly

So what is your point? We are  discussing the images these actresses produce, which are images that can be found in porno. You can also add Angelina Jolie as one of those who participated in some intense pornographic scens and Nicole Kidman for posing her objectified body full frontal on a magazine (I don't know which one but I am sure it is similar to Playboy)  years ago. These women needs to be called out especailly when they pimp their body out for commerical gains.

MegB

takeitslowly wrote:

So what is your point? We are  discussing the images these actresses produce, which are images that can be found in porno. You can also add Angelina Jolie as one of those who participated in some intense pornographic scens and Nicole Kidman for posing her objectified body full frontal on a magazine (I don't know which one but I am sure it is similar to Playboy)  years ago. These women needs to be called out especailly when they pimp their body out for commerical gains.

Oh enough of playing devil's advocate already. Point made.

takeitslowly

You are right, as a trans woman of color, I am thankful that a white feminist has the courage to tell a trans woman of color  how to feel about her own body. It is particularly empowering to see her attack a trans woman for having the audacity to take her hormones as medication and having *surgical enhancement* (even though Cox never said she had any) ,” and calling her cartoonish or porn-like. She appeared on PlayBoy after all, didn't she? or something similar to that, what difference does it make? Meh

 

I am glad someone put Cox in her place, and Meghan Murphy is right on for policing the body of Laverne Cox. Rabble should stand up and hardcore defend this type of policing and body shaming. Laverne Cox 's pg13 nudity is way out of line and empowers no one!

http://groupthink.jezebel.com/tw-transmisogyny-bad-feminism-and-laverne-...

susan davis susan davis's picture

journalistic intergrity...pffft......

they are demanding a safe environment to discuss these things....? i guess they haven't bothered to read babble threads on this issue....there's plenty of attacking of sex workers....the people being discussed....unless we embrace that the only feminist position is abolition....we are privelged or represent the pimp lobby....

this is more of the same old tripe we always hear....

they have not addressed one of the issues raised in the origional letter and instead are demanding rabble take an abolitionist position which according to them ....is the "feminist" position....

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

The definition of "attacked" is not "disagrees with me". You'd get a lot more out of these conversations if you didn't accuse people of meaning stuff they didn't say.

 

susan davis susan davis's picture

calling us pimp lobbyists and lying about decrim advocates intentions and the outcomes in new zealand does not constitute disagreeing....it constitutes attacking.

 

takeitslowly

 

I dont believe anyone should be called a pimp lobbyist because they support the legalization  or decrininalization of sex work, fyi. 

 

Ms. Cox— the first openly transgender actress to be nominated for an Emmy award— told George Washington University students Tuesday evening, “I am not one thing, and neither are you.”

 

I believe shame is one of the biggest roadblocks to self love. Words are powerful and they can be used in positive or negative iight.  

A woman's sense of self agency and determination should not be dismissed or painted with a broad brush. 

http://gwtoday.gwu.edu/trans-actress-and-advocate-laverne-cox-%E2%80%98e...