He is living in a fantasy world and is in over his head. For the sincere sake of the Liberal party, I hope he bombs in the election so that they finally flush him out.
So I guess this is one thing you actually agree with the Conservatives
Justin Trudeau - He is in OVER his head!
Bob Rae is getting up in age and likely did not want to do it, but I think that the Liberals would be in a very different situation now if they had Bob Rae leading the team into the election. He's a very polished heavy weight who is PM material. I think they chose JT to market the Liberal brand to a new young generation of Canadians. However, I don't believe that JT will ever have the acumen to be a debater in the House of Commons. He is hardly ever there. He is living in a fantasy world and is in over his head. For the sincere sake of the Liberal party, I hope he bombs in the election so that they finally flush him out.
JT was not "chosen" he was elected by party members and outside supporters.
He doesn't need to be a debater in the house. I haven't noticed Harper being "a debater in the house". What he does need to do is prove himself credible on August 6.
Pondering. A federal political leader has to be able to think on his feet both in the HoC and with the public and media. JT can memorize what he is scripted to say but he cannot articulate a quality opinion or idea on his own. Some people can think, others need to be told how to think. JT is the latter. I have never felt this way before about a Canadian federal leader, but I am embarrassed that he could easily become our next PM or one at any time. It also frightens me that so many Canadians do not see what I find is so obvious.
I don't think anyone should underestimate Trudeau at all. He might rise to the occassion. Its hard to know. There are so many factors that could be at play in this. I don't think anything is impossible. As for you Terrytowel, stop saying its over. The election is still some months away and anything is possible. Pondering is proof that their are people who will cut the Liberals the most incredibly large swath. Give things go JT's way, even if minor, and enough people might come over to seeing things the way Pondering blindy does to elect JT PM.
Pondering. A federal political leader has to be able to think on his feet both in the HoC and with the public and media. JT can memorize what he is scripted to say but he cannot articulate a quality opinion or idea on his own. Some people can think, others need to be told how to think. JT is the latter. I have never felt this way before about a Canadian federal leader, but I am embarrassed that he could easily become our next PM or one at any time. It also frightens me that so many Canadians do not see what I find is so obvious.
That would be because you are wrong about Trudeau and that can clearly be seen during extended interviews with him. He isn't good at the courtroom style fencing that is more about being clever than being right. In that context he isn't good at "thinking on his feet". Trudeau is terrible at the scripted stuff and far better when he is being earnest.
In the debates he will have to know his policy arguments inside out to defend them but he will potentially do very well. Mulcair will beat him on the smart ass jabs. Both Trudeau and Mulcair have way more natural charisma than Harper. In both cases they will have a chance to show multiple aspects of their personalities. Both will appear much more dynamic than Harper.
Important to note that Trudeau has not turned down any debates.
Pondering. A federal political leader has to be able to think on his feet both in the HoC and with the public and media. JT can memorize what he is scripted to say but he cannot articulate a quality opinion or idea on his own. Some people can think, others need to be told how to think. JT is the latter. I have never felt this way before about a Canadian federal leader, but I am embarrassed that he could easily become our next PM or one at any time. It also frightens me that so many Canadians do not see what I find is so obvious.
No point here Misfit -- the post you are responding to is splitting hairs on a bald man's head.
The word chosen means Liberals made a choice. How they did it was a leadership race. An election is the mechanics of how that is done. Google "Mulcair was chosen" or any other political leader and you see this is a normal way of referencing a Party decision as to who their leader will be. We refer to "electoral choices" all the time.
So when you have a post picking at you with meaningless semantics like saying "not chosen" -- "elected" -- you get to see what you are working with. There is no convincing. It is immune to logic. This is what we deal with here. These types of posts are noise not things you can respond to in development of a normal conversation.
No point here Misfit -- the post you are responding to is splitting hairs on a bald man's head.
The word chosen means Liberals made a choice. How they did it was a leadership race. An election is the mechanics of how that is done. Google "Mulcair was chosen" or any other political leader and you see this is a normal way of referencing a Party decision as to who their leader will be. We refer to "electoral choices" all the time.
So when you have a post picking at you with meaningless semantics like saying "not chosen" -- "elected" -- you get to see what you are working with. There is no convincing. It is immune to logic. This is what we deal with here. These types of posts are noise not things you can respond to in development of a normal conversation.
As usual, you completely miss the conversation in favor of discussing me, your favorite topic:
Bob Rae is getting up in age and likely did not want to do it, but I think that the Liberals would be in a very different situation now if they had Bob Rae leading the team into the election. He's a very polished heavy weight who is PM material. I think they chose JT to market the Liberal brand to a new young generation of Canadians.
Bob Rae promised not to run when he first took the leadership to which he was appointed but was considering going for it anyway with the support of the party executive. He decided against it when JT threw his hat in the ring.
Misfit has no knowledge of the reasoning of those of us who voted for Trudeau. I most certainly didn't vote for him( as a supporter not member) to "market the brand to a new young generation of Canadians". He was elected to lead the Liberals by the grassroots not "chosen" for marketing reasons and it isn't splitting hairs.
If I said that Mulcair was chosen to guide the party to the right would it be splitting hairs to point out that he was elected not chosen and NDP voters didn't choose him to guide the party to the right.
No point here Misfit -- the post you are responding to is splitting hairs on a bald man's head.
The word chosen means Liberals made a choice. How they did it was a leadership race. An election is the mechanics of how that is done. Google "Mulcair was chosen" or any other political leader and you see this is a normal way of referencing a Party decision as to who their leader will be. We refer to "electoral choices" all the time.
So when you have a post picking at you with meaningless semantics like saying "not chosen" -- "elected" -- you get to see what you are working with. There is no convincing. It is immune to logic. This is what we deal with here. These types of posts are noise not things you can respond to in development of a normal conversation.
As usual, you completely miss the conversation in favor of discussing me, your favorite topic:
Bob Rae is getting up in age and likely did not want to do it, but I think that the Liberals would be in a very different situation now if they had Bob Rae leading the team into the election. He's a very polished heavy weight who is PM material. I think they chose JT to market the Liberal brand to a new young generation of Canadians.Bob Rae promised not to run when he first took the leadership to which he was appointed but was considering going for it anyway with the support of the party executive. He decided against it when JT threw his hat in the ring.
Misfit has no knowledge of the reasoning of those of us who voted for Trudeau. I most certainly didn't vote for him( as a supporter not member) to "market the brand to a new young generation of Canadians". He was elected to lead the Liberals by the grassroots not "chosen" for marketing reasons and it isn't splitting hairs.
If I said that Mulcair was chosen to guide the party to the right would it be splitting hairs to point out that he was elected not chosen and NDP voters didn't choose him to guide the party to the right.
This is you doing more of your twisting pretzel logic.
It would not be wrong to say that the NDP voters chose Mulcair. AS I SAID.
I would say that the intention was not to bring the party to the right but to bring the country to the left by taking power.
But you meant to pretzel shape the conversaion by adding this irrelevant tidbit. And of course it worked: I was reminded of why I hate your posts and your fucked up logic and your debating style on this site. I get these reminders often from you.
Using the word chosen rather than elected has nothing to do with the rationale for why he was (verb of choice) -- you decided to play word games with Misfit's selection of the word chosen. And you are wrong -- the word chosen is absolutely valid and very common as a reference to a choice made through a vote.
As for the point about the content -- it is fair to speculate that Liberals picked him for this appeal to youth. Take this as an example:
Wilfrid Laurier University Young Liberals president Dan Entralgo:
“Ever since Justin Trudeau started his political career, his focus has always been advocacy of the youth, so he’s obviously going to appeal to the youth,” Entralgo reasoned.
Not unfair speculation at all and you went at it with petty semantics before content.
Sean, I see your point, but I succumbed to the "he doesn't need to be a debater in the House"...so sorry.
I don't think Justin is leading anything myself, but to the exent that he is, I think it's fair to say that he's the worst leader the Liberal party has ever had, and the final result in the election will reflect that.
Am I the only one who thinks the Liberals are going to drop below 10% in this election?
Maybe. Back when he was at the top of the polls, some felt that the debates might be his downfall. Now that he's number three in the polls, the debates could still be his downfall to an even lower place. So yes, I think it's possible that he could fall very far, possibly to near 10%.
Bob Rae is getting up in age and likely did not want to do it, but I think that the Liberals would be in a very different situation now if they had Bob Rae leading the team into the election. He's a very polished heavy weight who is PM material. I think they chose JT to market the Liberal brand to a new young generation of Canadians.
It's a myth that JT appeals to "a new young generation of Canadians." Most of these choose the NDP. It's older people with fond memories of PET that go for JT. Slowly but surely this group is seeing that the son is not a chip off the old block.
August 6th draws closer every day. Then we won't need to speculate anymore. We will have a debate performance and pundit evaluations to disect. Won't that be fun!
As for you Terrytowel, stop saying its over.
I would have thought YOU of all people would agree that it is OVER for the Liberals.
Why such pessimism? Usually you are more optimistic when it comes to the electorial fortunes of the NDP.
As for you Terrytowel, stop saying its over.
I would have thought YOU of all people would agree that it is OVER for the Liberals.
Why such pessimism? Usually you are more optimistic when it comes to the electorial fortunes of the NDP.
It's not pessimism it's realism. I was certain the Liberals had this election when the Liberals were riding high and I was certain the NDP wouldn't crack 23 or 24% and that Harper was done for. Now the NDP has a clear lead in overall support and Harper is projected to win a minority anyway. I'm still hopeful Trudeau can pull off a comeback and that the Aug 6th debates will prove it but I am not nearly as certain as I was.
AC still has confidence in Mulcair's ability and in the NDP. He is just acknowledging that the best doesn't always win and things can go south when you least expect it.
I, on the otherhand, am developing some affection for your "IT'S OVER" declarations. That's why I call you TnT now. As in, KA-BOOM! It's over!
