Maclean's national leaders debate: Thursday, August 6 -- 74 days before the election

In fairness to the CBC-- I expect McLeans also to brand this debate as theirs and CBC would be carrying something meant to advertise them -- while the PM excluded the CBC and others from participating.

I think CBC should carry it and comment on it but I well understand how they must feel.

If the debate is commercial free , then the networks lose advertising as that time has already been booked.

They would have to make it up to sponsors in 'make-goods' airing the commercial in a time-period that is comparatable in what they lost, for free!

The Consortium debate is planned months in advance, so the networks don't schedule any commercials in that time period.

Notice those consortium debates air outside of Prime Time 6 to 8 PM, while the Macleans debate airs IN primetime 8 to 10PM

Airing from 6 to 8PM means that they don't lose that much money by airing commercial free as a public service.

Bottom line, the networks will lose money if they air the Macleans debate.

Pierre C yr wrote:

What prevents CBC from rebroadcasting the debate later and avoid the prime time commercial loss? Not that I think prime time has that much valuable commercial airtime in the middle of summer vacation season.

Look at the wording of the Maclean's statement: "any broadcaster who wants the signal is free to carry it live too." If they want to record it and show it later, that is not, it would seem, allowed.

Brachina wrote:

 Fuck the useless CBC, just watch it on youtube for fuck sakes.

That's OK for you and me, but polls seem to show that there are a significant number of people, mostly older, who watch CBC, but don't watch YouTube videos. I know, I can't imagine living without YouTube either, but my mother in law can and does.

 Broadcasting the Maclean's Debate would cost the CBC next to nothing, Maclean's/Rogers is paying for everything, including all the recording, all the CBC has to do is broadcast the signal. I really don't give a shit about they're pathetic excuses, they're a public broadcaster and they have a responsiblity to broadcast the debate.

 The CBCs continued boarderline uselessness aside, at least it will be on Youtube which means almost anyone with an internet connection will be able to see it, so I suspect far more people will see it, abit not at once, then many people are.expecting.

DLivings wrote:

agreed...  CBC should take the live feed of the debate and re-broadcast...  that is, if it's purpose is to serve the Canadian public.

And if they lose money from lost ad revenue?

TT, exactly s out the lost revenue.

 The CBC shouldn't have ads period, it makes them beholden to the corporate sector, it should be run more like TVO, but national.

I will retype post #20 since CBC got erased. "TT exactly, CBC is out the lost revenue." I can see how this is so threatening.

Apology accepted. And it is revenues lost during prime time as well. ETA, I understand that a lot of senior citizens will not be able to watch the debate in parts of Canada unless a major broadcaster picks it up, but there is CTV and Global as well who can fill in the void.

hmmmmm...money is more important than delivering Canadians access to an election debate?

*wiping away a tear from the thought of CBC losing ad revenue* -- oh wait, here is an idea, savings can be had -- they can stop flying Mansbridge and entourage around the world so that he can broadcast the National with a foreign capital as a backdrop - of course that means he wouldn't be in the same city as a potential royal wedding, royal spawning or royal funeral, but hey, we are all in this together aren't we?

There are three broadcasters and many of you are fixated on just one.

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Brachina wrote:

 Fuck the useless CBC, just watch it on youtube for fuck sakes.

That's OK for you and me, but polls seem to show that there are a significant number of people, mostly older, who watch CBC, but don't watch YouTube videos. I know, I can't imagine living without YouTube either, but my mother in law can and does.

I told my parents to watch it on City TV.  So, they're going to see it.  But they previously were unaware of it.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

In fairness to the CBC-- I expect McLeans also to brand this debate as theirs and CBC would be carrying something meant to advertise them -- while the PM excluded the CBC and others from participating.

I think CBC should carry it and comment on it but I well understand how they must feel.

CBC's board of Directors is stacked with Harper appointees, who may well agree with Harper about the CBC being excluded from the debates.

ETA: Agree with the others here about the loss of ad revenue for the CBC and other broadcasters.

bekayne wrote:

I thought it was on CPAC as well.

 It is, in French and English.

This could go any way tomorrow. No one should think that Trudeau won't rise to the challenge. Trudeau is a very charming man, and there's NO knowing how it might go tomorrow. Persoonally, I'm very worried about this thing; the media wants him to do well. He'll get plenty of help the next day if it goes even moderately well. I am neverous about this And there's that famous name, This could be a real minefield for Tom. I'm not holding my breath either way, and neither should anyone else. Charisma is a dangerous thing. We see people on this board who argue over and over about Justin's "ablitiy to communicate", and they are counting on it. It isn't about policy for them. And when a Trudeau government sticks it to them, they'll argue it's Harper's fault and Justin "had no choice". And, when have we heard that explanation from a Liberal before?

Good ad.

Yeah Art, due to higher expectations of Mulcair, it makes it more of a challenge.  However, I still think Mulcair will do well.  But yes, debates are a different animal than question period.  So Mulcair doing well there doesn't necessarily mean he'll do well in the debate.  Plus I don't recall him being spectacular in the leadership debates.  He wasn't bad, but not amazing.  That said, he was great in the recent question and answer session with the press.  So, I'm optimistic he'll do well.

Here's a description of the debate,

Quote:

The debate is divided into four broad segments. First up is the economy. That exchange will be followed by energy and environment, then a segment entitled institutions of democracy (read Senate here), and finally foreign policy and security.

Wait a minute! ... Here:

Follow the first 2015 federal election debate right here on rabble (rabble.ca)

I don't know.  Maybe Paupers Pub on Bloor where Hollett will be.  That seems to be the most highly promoted of the venues.  I thought of going, but I just think it will be too crowded, so I'm opting for Scott's gathering at the Fox and Fiddle on Danforth.  I may drop by McQuaig's too.

Yeah, from this article, I'd guess that he'd make an appearance at Paupers.