At some point, if you've been tweeting for five years, and have 50,000 tweets, are you expected to dig through them all before throwing your name into the ring?
If you're running for office, can you reasonably expect that nobody else will? *shrug*
Just for lulz, I checked Buzreba's feed: 493 tweets.
In practical political terms, this withdrawal(the NDP didn't even have a candidate nominated yet in Calgary Nose Hill-btw, how the heck did "Nose Hill" even get a name like that? was there a massive de-schnozzing incident there at some point?)won't be of much consequence. The Cons had been taking this riding with 68% to 70% of the vote in the last three elections.
Maybe in all this hulabaloo about messages sent previously, can't someone find a way to get access to Wright's email messages that he says he no longer has. Being charitable here, as some of Wright's comments boggle the mind. Not sure Wright's obviously polished media image is all that it was cracked up to be, at least any more.
I wonder if the Conservative party is now going to make Tom Lukiwski finally step down for his hate speech video from years ago?
I for one can't wait until the only people we allow in public life are the smarmy wannabe politicos who have been planning on becoming an MP since they were 15, and have made sure that they have never had a moment of anger or expressed an independent thought on any political issue since then.
I for one can't wait until the only people we allow in public life are the smarmy wannabe politicos who have been planning on becoming an MP since they were 15, and have made sure that they have never had a moment of anger or expressed an independent thought on any political issue since then.
I for one can't wait until the only people we allow in public life are the smarmy wannabe politicos who have been planning on becoming an MP since they were 15, and have made sure that they have never had a moment of anger or expressed an independent thought on any political issue since then.
Also, good thing they caught this. We can't have young people like this running for office. They should be more mature on twitter. Like Pat Martin.
I for one can't wait until the only people we allow in public life are the smarmy wannabe politicos who have been planning on becoming an MP since they were 15, and have made sure that they have never had a moment of anger or expressed an independent thought on any political issue since then.Also, good thing they caught this. We can't have young people like this running for office. They should be more mature on twitter. Like Pat Martin.
What genstrike said.
Well this certainly casts a pall over any future political ambitions I might have.
I for one can't wait until the only people we allow in public life are the smarmy wannabe politicos who have been planning on becoming an MP since they were 15, and have made sure that they have never had a moment of anger or expressed an independent thought on any political issue since then.Also, good thing they caught this. We can't have young people like this running for office. They should be more mature on twitter. Like Pat Martin.
What genstrike said.
Exactly how I feel.
I am disgusted by any glee shown here by any NDP supporters.
Don't you thin the Cons are not looking for old stuff on NDP candidates either.
This is not a benefit to anyone but the party of old angry white men -- the CPC.
I already said my piece, but I agree this is holding most people to an impossible standard. Especially a whole generation that has grown up on the internet, and can't take anything back.
I for one can't wait until the only people we allow in public life are the smarmy wannabe politicos who have been planning on becoming an MP since they were 15, and have made sure that they have never had a moment of anger or expressed an independent thought on any political issue since then.Also, good thing they caught this. We can't have young people like this running for office. They should be more mature on twitter. Like Pat Martin.
What genstrike said.
Exactly how I feel.
I am disgusted by any glee shown here by any NDP supporters.
Don't you thin the Cons are not looking for old stuff on NDP candidates either.
This is not a benefit to anyone but the party of old angry white men -- the CPC.
@jjuares:
I just ran across this posting by the former candidate's sister, and I think it does a little something to explain the context - and I applaud her (Zehra, sister of the candidate not the candidate herself) for calling out the media for their total failure to look for and report on the context the "offensive" remarks occurred in.
Here's another case of troublesome social media posts. This time by a Conservative in Quebec (Ahuntsic-Cartierville):
A Federal Tory Candidate's shocking Facebook commentary
@jjuares:
I just ran across this posting by the former candidate's sister, and I think it does a little something to explain the context - and I applaud her (Zehra, sister of the candidate not the candidate herself) for calling out the media for their total failure to look for and report on the context the "offensive" remarks occurred in.
Excellent - thanks, bagkitty.
they have never had a moment of anger or expressed an independent thought on any political issue
I'm betting most of the candidates in this election have "had a moment of anger", and/or have "expressed an independent thought", either in their distant past, or their recent past.
But there's just so much space in between "expressed an independent thought" and "expressed the thought that your mother should have aborted you with a coathanger".
If I said that to another babbler, would we all agree I was just expressing an independent thought? Or what, specifically, would make it any different? What would make it unacceptable on babble, but acceptable in the real world?
I just ran across this posting by the former candidate's sister, and I think it does a little something to explain the context - and I applaud her (Zehra, sister of the candidate not the candidate herself) for calling out the media for their total failure to look for and report on the context the "offensive" remarks occurred in.
It may very well be that she was being bullied by conservative white men -- this is the internet, so it surely wouldn't surprise me.
But here's the screenshot of Buzreba's "coathanger" tweet.
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I can clearly see where she addresses her response to "@isreal_shield" because it says "@israel_shield" at the start of her comment.
But I don't see where @israel_shield's comment was addressed to her. That his/her comment doesn't really look like bullying is interesting too.
As a sidenote, it's interesting that she didn't make this comment as "@alabuzreba" but as "@votealabuzreba".
I just ran across this posting by the former candidate's sister, and I think it does a little something to explain the context - and I applaud her (Zehra, sister of the candidate not the candidate herself) for calling out the media for their total failure to look for and report on the context the "offensive" remarks occurred in.It may very well be that she was being bullied by conservative white men -- this is the internet, so it surely wouldn't surprise me.
But here's the screenshot of Buzreba's "coathanger" tweet.
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I can clearly see where she addresses her response to "@isreal_shield" because it says "@israel_shield" at the start of her comment.
But I don't see where @israel_shield's comment was addressed to her. That his/her comment doesn't really look like bullying is interesting too.
As a sidenote, it's interesting that she didn't make this comment as "@alabuzreba" but as "@votealabuzreba".
I assume that would be because the screenshot was taken after she changed her handle on twitter.
That had occurred to me.
A new account might not have been a bad idea. One account for getting elected, and one account for calling people a waste of sperm. Keep your business and your hobbies separate.
@jjuares:
I just ran across this posting by the former candidate's sister, and I think it does a little something to explain the context - and I applaud her (Zehra, sister of the candidate not the candidate herself) for calling out the media for their total failure to look for and report on the context the "offensive" remarks occurred in.
That had occurred to me.A new account might not have been a bad idea.
not doing this indicates she is still very young and is in no way ready to enter politics. after reading her sisters tweet, i've softened a bit towards her plight.
its unacceptable the media only focuss on what she said in respond, but not what was said to her! I dont care if hes a liberal, but I am on her side.
its unacceptable the media only focuss on what she said in respond, but not what was said to her!
There's a screenshot in post #68. In the interest of clarity, though, I don't believe that what @israel_shield said was directed to her specifically.
But I think that screenshot's been around since the story broke.
its unacceptable the media only focuss on what she said in respond, but not what was said to her!There's a screenshot in post #68. In the interest of clarity, though, I don't believe that what @israel_shield said was directed to her specifically.
But I think that screenshot's been around since the story broke.
That does not mean there is not other context -- we don't know.
What other context?
It would appear that she took umbrage to someone's general tweet to the world.
Her sister's story that she was just fighting the good fight against bullies would make a good After School Special, though.
Ala's sister seemed to know the ages of the tweeters involved. These tweeters are obviously known to both Ala and her sister and this would lend credibility to the claim that there is a deeper context and history involved in the exchanges between them.
Well maybe they had confrontations before? The tweeet from Israel_shield is awful btw, I don't blame her response. I also agree Israel_shield should have been aborted.
context could be another tweet only a few minutes before-- screen shot not definitive
Well maybe they had confrontations before? The tweeet from Israel_shield is awful btw, I don't blame her response. I also agree Israel_shield should have been aborted.
Really? Wow.
Suppose that @votealabuzreba had tweeted, to nobody in particular:
Dear #World your support for #Israel and #Zionism will come back and kick u in the arse! http://bit.ly.wtevr #Children & #Women are suffering
... and @israel_shield had replied directly to her:
@votealabuzreba Your mother should have used that coat hanger.
Who would you say was being bullied?
Or is it not about that at all, and it's just about who seems to support Israel?
Thats right, taunting the world that Israel will kill innocent palestinians if we dare to support palestinians , thats someone who deserved to go kill themselves imo.
Dear #World your support for #Israel and #Zionism will come back and kick u in the arse.
That's a true statement which is already happening.
Thats right, taunting the world that Israel will kill innocent palestinians if we dare to support palestinians
That's your read of his tweet???
Where are the free speech warriors when you need them?
Thank you Bagkitty for providing the much needed context.
As a teen being provoked, I don't think her comments are any more out of line than anything I see teens posting on their Facebook pages to each other. And provoked she was.
Now for the coat hanger comment, would it have been less offensive if she said 'I wish you father had shot his wad into a pillow instead of your mother'? Same thing, different parent/gender.
Where are the free speech warriors when you need them?
Probably defending people who are actually being denied the right to speak.
Now for the coat hanger comment, would it have been less offensive if she said 'I wish you father had shot his wad into a pillow instead of your mother'? Same thing, different parent/gender.
Would it have been less offensive if she'd said "I disagree with you and here's why..."?
Oh, but I know. Someone had a different opinion than hers so she was provoked.
It makes no sense for anyone to be this self righteous about a 17 year old. As if there are people here who have never lost their cool and insulted someone in their entire lifetime. You should be sainted, and then run for office.
It makes no sense for anyone to be this self righteous about a 17 year old. As if there are people here who have never lost their cool and insulted someone in their entire lifetime. You should be sainted, and then run for office.
You're talking about Magoo, who likes to provoke. Everyone else here (almost) is cheering on this 17-year-old, who was facing the most filthy Zionist propagandist around, and told him what the world needed to hear - that he should fuck off and die, retroactively if possible. I'm amazed that some people haven't taken two seconds to look at @israel_shield and what that slimy islamophobe misogyinist spews day after day.
Naturally, the Liberal Party can't tolerate young people who stand up to criminals and tell the truth.
Sadly, I don't think any party could. It's not about ideology. It's about "professionalism".
Professionalism has never mattered to me. But in a world where you can't say "fuck" on TV, it still matters.
I hope the Ashley Madison thing catches some of those self righteous motherfuckers right in the nutsack.
Professionalism has never mattered to me. But in a world where you can't say "fuck" on TV, it still matters.
Nor in babble thread titles, unless that was quietly changed.
Thats right, taunting the world that Israel will kill innocent palestinians if we dare to support palestiniansThat's your read of his tweet???
If they have a history it's extremely selective to use the screenshot as proof that she was only responding to *that* tweet.
they have never had a moment of anger or expressed an independent thought on any political issueI'm betting most of the candidates in this election have "had a moment of anger", and/or have "expressed an independent thought", either in their distant past, or their recent past.
But there's just so much space in between "expressed an independent thought" and "expressed the thought that your mother should have aborted you with a coathanger".
If I said that to another babbler, would we all agree I was just expressing an independent thought? Or what, specifically, would make it any different? What would make it unacceptable on babble, but acceptable in the real world?
Babble has a posting policy against making personal attacks regardless of whether they might be deserved. In the real world, there is no such policy.
I don't give a rat's ass if a person has made a personal attack on somebody, per se.
Some people deserve to be attacked.
I would look at the context, when it was said, how the person behaves generally.
It certainly wouldn't be a deal-breaker, for me, in terms of whether the person is fit to assume elected office.
And again, I get uncomfortable with the pearl-clutching around this particular comment (focussing on the abortion and not the coat-hanger, since no one can seriously deny that the outrage would have been there even if the comment only mentioned "abortion".) Abortion isn't murder and what she said isn't a threat.
It makes no sense for anyone to be this self righteous about a 17 year old. As if there are people here who have never lost their cool and insulted someone in their entire lifetime. You should be sainted, and then run for office.
The problem as I see it is that anything a lawmaker did 4 years ago shouldn't be about their teen years. Of course there are child prodigies but they are not that common.
This job pays around 150K a year and after six gives a lifelong very generous pension and the best we can come up with is people who would normally be unable to get even 30K a year.
It is obvious to me that most of these people are placeholders no matter which party they are in. The only reason they are "qualified" is because they are grunts intended to take orders and pass along messages.
Something someone did when they were 17 years old should be ten to fifteen years in their past if they are sitting in parliament.
This job pays around 150K a year and after six gives a lifelong very generous pension and the best we can come up with is people who would normally be unable to get even 30K a year.
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I always believed that MP's should be paid minimum wage.
The problem as I see it is that anything a lawmaker did 4 years ago shouldn't be about their teen years. Of course there are child prodigies but they are not that common.
This job pays around 150K a year and after six gives a lifelong very generous pension and the best we can come up with is people who would normally be unable to get even 30K a year.
It is obvious to me that most of these people are placeholders no matter which party they are in. The only reason they are "qualified" is because they are grunts intended to take orders and pass along messages.
Something someone did when they were 17 years old should be ten to fifteen years in their past if they are sitting in parliament.
I never pile on to you for your Liberal sympathies, mainly because I prefer to look at where people stand on real-life issues, not on partisan preferences.
The above post is profoundly disturbing on so many levels. Just thought I'd mention that.
The problem as I see it is that anything a lawmaker did 4 years ago shouldn't be about their teen years. Of course there are child prodigies but they are not that common.
This job pays around 150K a year and after six gives a lifelong very generous pension and the best we can come up with is people who would normally be unable to get even 30K a year.
It is obvious to me that most of these people are placeholders no matter which party they are in. The only reason they are "qualified" is because they are grunts intended to take orders and pass along messages.
Something someone did when they were 17 years old should be ten to fifteen years in their past if they are sitting in parliament.
I never pile on to you for your Liberal sympathies, mainly because I prefer to look at where people stand on real-life issues, not on partisan preferences.
The above post is profoundly disturbing on so many levels. Just thought I'd mention that.
+1
Amen. People complain about the lack of engagement from young people in politics, but when we express ourselves, they want us to shut up.
The question isn't whether people in their early 20s are intelligent, but how many of our current veteran MPs aren't.
Why? I agree that money isn't necessarily the only measure of a person but within our capitalist society it does motivate skilled people and accomplished people to apply for positions. I don't believe that she was nominated to be a voice for youth.
I think it's the rare 21 year old that is qualified to write the laws that I must adhere to.
Trudeau, and now Mulcair, are both saying that Harper sends his messages through reps but that reps are supposed to bring the communities messages to parliament, or something to that effect.
It's just a turn of phrase, but reps are not messengers. They are there to act on the behalf of their constituents. If my community is against something, for example a pipeline, I expect my rep to vote based on the community's preference not the party's preference.
Life experience does count. 16, 18, 21, 25, are just arbitrary ages we picked as delimeters determining preparedness for specific adult responsibility.
I don't think people should be allowed to join the military until 25 because the brain isn't fully developed until then.
It may seem logical that those aged 18 to 25 are completely mature, the brain still is maturing – specifically the area known as the “prefrontal cortex.” Changes occurring between ages 18 and 25 are essentially a continued process of brain development that started during puberty. When you’re 18, you’re roughly halfway through the entire stage of development. The prefrontal cortex doesn’t have nearly the functional capacity at age 18 as it does at 25.
This means that some people may have major struggles with impulsive decisions and planning behavior to reach a goal. The brain’s reward system tends to reach a high level of activation during puberty, then gradually drifts back to normal activation when a person reaches roughly the age of 25. Adults over the age of 25 tend to feel less sensitive to the influence of peer pressure and have a much easier time handling it.
http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-d...
I think the people passing laws that will apply to all Canadians should be fully matured and that a salary of 150K ought to be able to attract some very qualified people with fully developed brains.
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