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The Globe and Mail economic debate September 17
Tue, 2015-09-15 13:17
#1
The Globe and Mail economic debate September 17
Tue, 2015-09-15 13:57
#2
What's this? E. May not invited? Tsk tsk. I think it says more about the organizers when discussion involving or implicating everyone takes place, and people are reduced to pressing their noses up against the glass because their opinions aren't welcome.
Tue, 2015-09-15 14:03
#3
Yeah, she bugs me but not cool
Tue, 2015-09-15 14:32
#4
May is the leader of a party that got 3% (THREE) of the vote in the last election and elected a single MP. She already managed to finagle her way into the Maclean's debate and will be in one of the French debates and she got a full interview with Peter Mansbridge like the others...its enough already. When else has a leader of a such a microscopic party had even this much coverage. Come back with over ten percent of the national popular vote and official party status (12 seats+) and maybe in 2015 we can start including her.
Tue, 2015-09-15 14:44
#5
I'm not a May supporter either, but three percent of the vote still represents enough people to fill a good sized metropolitian area, albiet, spread out across the country. Close to 600,000 votes, over half a million supporters give or take? Why would anyone want to exclude the representative of over half a million voters? I know, I know, casual write offs like that are indicative of the politics we're given.
Tue, 2015-09-15 14:49
#6
She is already in 2 out of 5 debates and she is already had a prime time interview with Manbridge. I'm not saying she shoul;d get no coverage, i'm just saying that i think its crazy to act like the leader of such a small party with just 1 elected MP needs to get exactly equal coverage with the three leaders of major parties that are clearly in the running to be Prime Minister.
In any case this this debate is on the economy and the only issue May cares about is her beliefe that she should get more publicity. Self-promotion is not an economic policy!
Tue, 2015-09-15 15:04
#7
Funny - on Cross Country check-up some woman railed against the media for not giving May enough airtime. My initial internal response was that we'd hear proportionately more about May than we had about the other leaders, if we went by popular vote.
Tue, 2015-09-15 15:06
#8
Well, one elected MP represents the limitations of the FPTP system. In a fairer system there'd be potentially more of em. But you don't compound that problem by telling an elected representative with a base of support across the country to come in through the back door when given the signal, and only then, and don't make too much of a fuss about it. What you're saying about May and self promotion could very well, and does in fact, apply to any of the candidates. Instead doesn't she have a duty to promote the interests of nearly 600,000 voters as partisans for the other leaders would say about their man. That's aside from the fact that the optics of this exclusion stinks.
Tue, 2015-09-15 15:10
#9
alan smithee
I think all parties should be eligible to participate in all the debates. This includes the Communist,Rhinocerous and Marijuana parties.
Not only should they be included in the debates but they should have equal time,too.
Tue, 2015-09-15 15:16
#10
May is the leader of a party that got 3% (THREE) of the vote in the last election and elected a single MP. She already managed to finagle her way into the Maclean's debate and will be in one of the French debates and she got a full interview with Peter Mansbridge like the others...its enough already. When else has a leader of a such a microscopic party had even this much coverage. Come back with over ten percent of the national popular vote and official party status (12 seats+) and maybe in 2015 we can start including her.
Preston Manning and the Reform Party in 1993. In 1988 they only got 2.09 of the popular vote. They only had one seat, which was won in a by-election the following year.
Tue, 2015-09-15 15:32
#11
Go!
Stay! Sit! Shake! Fetch!
Tue, 2015-09-15 16:20
#12
A thread on the economic debate, the debate that could define the rest of the election, and all anyone wants to talk about is the fringe party that isn't attending.
I'm looking forward to the debate.
I suspect Mulcair will be less subdued this time, let Mulcair be Mulcair I want to see the Grizzily crush his foes.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:03
#13
Well that just set the tone, Globe and Mail chose Calgary for the debate because Alberta is the barometer for the economy!
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:14
#14
The Globe reporters are not impressing the people in the media room.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:18
#15
Trudeau has a good look at the camera, Mulcair does the sly smile, Harper is stone face.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:21
#16
Jobs is the first question. What are answers to the structural problems of the economy, other than taking things out of the ground? Harper gives his talking points. Canada has not become an energy superpower says Globe moderator, so what do we do? Harper wants to make investments we can afford.
Harper mistates other parties positions.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:22
#17
Now to Mulcair. Harper put all Canada's eggs in one basket and then dropped the basket.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:26
#18
Trudeau starts with the Reagan question: Are you better off than you were before Harper? Then gives his talking points. Investments need to be made deficits are needed.
Harper replies where you would like to have been other than in Canada under my government?
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:28
#19
Harper shock troops are called into the field Canadian Federation of independent Business does not like pensions, or Employment Insurance (payroll taxes).
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:33
#20
Mulcair got pissed off at David Walmsley.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:34
#21
Energy and the Environment now up Mulcair to answer. Attacks the Liberals, then Harper, talks about cap and trade system, avoids answering the cost question.
Trudeau is asked about letting the provinces handle the the environment. He says he will go to Paris with Premiers.
Harper is bragging about reducing CO2 emissions, and says carbon taxes are about rasising revenue.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:34
#22
Energy and the Environment now up Mulcair to answer. Attacks the Liberals, then Harper, talks about cap and trade system, avoids answering the cost question.
Trudeau is asked about letting the provinces handle the the environment. He says he will go to Paris with Premiers.
Harper is bragging about reducing CO2 emissions, and says carbon taxes are about rasising revenue.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:34
#23
is the globe and mail biased towards Harper ?
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:36
#24
Trudeau uses the bulk water exports argument, throwing left hook at Mulcair.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:36
#25
The moderator is not giving Harper a free ride that's for sure.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:37
#26
Trudeau wants to get resources to markets. Harper does not want to impose costs on consumers through taxes.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:41
#27
Trudeau gets to go on and on with no bell?
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:42
#28
LOL Harper said "Economic Action Plan".
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:42
#29
The corporate tax cuts/jobs line against Harper is Mulcair's strongest moment so far.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:43
#30
Third topic is infrastructure.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:45
#31
The arguement Tom made in favour of cap and trade was really good, especially using our history with cap and trade on acid rain.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:46
#32
Infrastructure bank is a great idea.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:48
#33
Harper starts to defend his record on immigration, didn't slow it during the recession.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:49
#34
Good Lord, this debate could use a Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:49
#35
Trudeaus forgetting something his dad knew: TV is a cool medium. Justin should stop flapping his arms. He might take off and fly off the stage.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:49
#36
Harper is boring and I am having a hard time describing the impact his tone of voice is having. A very superior tone of voice that is off-putting to me.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:50
#37
Harper actually makes a good arguement in favour of a high immigrantion.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:50
#38
Trudeau is back to his talking points. Wants more family reunification.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:52
#39
Harper is superb as much as I hate to say that. Mulcair is okay. Trudeau is terrible.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:53
#40
Mulcair is not rebutting Trudeau enough. WHY.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:54
#41
The best social program is a united family? Maggie would be proud.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:55
#42
Mulcair is not rebutting Trudeau enough. WHY.
Because Trudeau is simply going to his talking points.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:55
#43
Aside from coming off at times like he's doing a commercial, Trudeau doing better then I expected. Harper is doing bad imo.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:56
#44
can't watch thought i'd a 2nd one. gag
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:58
#45
Mulcair fail to rebute Trudeau on spending on infrastructure
Hes totally not being aggressive enough
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:58
#46
Watching the immigration debate really shows how different Canada is from the Republican party, even Harper.
Thu, 2015-09-17 20:59
#47
you cant compare a republican primary debate with a canadian general election debate
Thu, 2015-09-17 21:00
#48
"If this isn't the time to invest, what would be?" - Trudeau
Muclair should have responded.
Thu, 2015-09-17 21:00
#49
Trudeau has mentioned three times now that Harper has the worst economic record since the Great Depression.
Thu, 2015-09-17 21:02
#50
I find it so difficult to judge in a non-partisan fashion. That is, as if I were the average voter who hasn't been following politics. Having said that I think Trudeau is doing very well, Mulcair also, but Harper sounds whiney.
Thu, 2015-09-17 21:02
#51
Harper is on his "unstable world economy" Its his all purpose excuse followed by "tax increases" are risky.