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Tom Mulcair's Wife Has Decided to Take Her Husband's Surname For Elxn Campaign
Sat, 2015-07-25 00:24
#102
Sat, 2015-07-25 11:34
#103
I've been called by the last name of my companion at the time; no I didn't correct the people who did so. But I do see this as an important issue for the women's movement, and in particular one where we've made progress in Québec, so I'm sure they are officially Ms. Grégoire and Ms. Pinhas. Ms. Pinhas might be Mme Mulcair on her French passport, though I believe that has changed. By the way, we use Mme for all adult women, not just officially married ones.
Sat, 2015-07-25 12:06
#104
... I'm sure they are officially Ms. Grégoire and Ms. Pinhas.
Since Tom and Catherine were married in 1976, they might have squeezed through the exception in the 1981 law that allowed people known by another name (e.g. their spouse's name) to keep it. But it's pretty clear that she didn't use that exception - she has always been called Catherine Pinhas, in my recollection.
Ms. Pinhas might be Mme Mulcair on her French passport, though I believe that has changed.
That too would be doubtful, but I don't know. I do know that since 1789, French law provides that your name is the name on your birth certificate. You're allowed to use another "nom d'usage" on a voluntary basis, but your "real" name never changes. [url=http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F868.xhtml]Source.[/url]
Sat, 2015-07-25 12:43
#105
I personally would be honored to take my husband's name, as long as its true love and a union for life.
Sat, 2015-07-25 13:39
#106
I personally would be honored to take my husband's name, as long as its true love and a union for life.
Just curious. What if your future husband feels as strongly as you do, and wishes to take your name? Would you be open to that?
Sat, 2015-07-25 15:11
#107
I personally would be honored to take my husband's name, as long as its true love and a union for life.
Just curious. What if your future husband feels as strongly as you do, and wishes to take your name? Would you be open to that?
He would never do that. I would be opened to him taking my mother's name but he would never do that. And thats fine with me.
Sat, 2015-07-25 20:55
#108
The South Asian Newspaper has referred to Mrs. Mulcair by her new name.
At the end of the article they write
"Tom and Catherine Mulcair posed for pictures"
http://www.canindia.com/2015/07/why-is-everyone-talking-about-tom-and-th...
Again just an observation. It is her name, her business.
Doesn't matter to me one way of the other.
Sat, 2015-07-25 21:02
#109
IIRC, when John Lennon and Yoko Ono married, she chose to go by "Yoko Ono Lennon". John chose to formally change his middle name to "Ono", so he could be "John Ono Lennon".
Tue, 2015-08-25 15:09
#110
Just circling back to this over-inflated non-issue. I did a quick check of recent articles:
Toronto Sun, August 2 - photo caption refers to Catherine Pinhas
Toronto Star, August 3 - photo caption refers to Catherine Pinhas
Montreal Gazette, August 6 - refers to Catherine Pinhas
National Post, August 7 - refers to Catherine Pinhas
Ottawa Citizen, August 11 - refers to Catherine Pinhas
Hamilton Spectator, August 22 - refers to Catherine Pinhas
One instance of a variation: Yahoo News, August 14 - refers to Catherine Pinhas AND Catherine Pinhas-Mulcair (in an article about the importance of leaders' spouses)
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I couldn't find a single recent news story that called her simply Catherine Mulcair. So, given that terrytowel never actually bothered to come up with a source for this rumour, can we now call it for what it is? A complete fabrication?
Tue, 2015-08-25 15:34
#111
Yes we can. It's a complete fabrication.
Tue, 2015-08-25 15:59
#112
I personally would be honored to take my husband's name, as long as its true love and a union for life.
Just curious. What if your future husband feels as strongly as you do, and wishes to take your name? Would you be open to that?
On that tangent, I happened to have a conversation with some neighbours last week who did just that when they got married. And the husband said he was happy that the law here in SK had been changed (just prior to their wedding) to "person" from "woman" taking the partner's name.
In short... pigs do fly on a cold day in hell.
Tue, 2015-08-25 16:34
#113
When John Lennon and Yoko Ono married, she took his name (at least in a legal sense) and retained her own surname as a middle name, so, Yoko Ono Lennon.
John retained his surname, but took Yoko's as a middle name, so, John Ono Lennon.
Thu, 2015-08-27 10:09
#114
I couldn't find a single recent news story that called her simply Catherine Mulcair. So, given that terrytowel never actually bothered to come up with a source for this rumour, can we now call it for what it is? A complete fabrication?
Where DID I SAY she is dropping her maiden name and going by Catherine Mulcair? Link please.
I said she was hyphenating her name, taking the name Catherine Pinhas-Mulcair. And I could find just as many examples of her as Catherine Pinhas-Mulcair.
For example Macleans
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/stephen-thomas-elizabeth-justin-and-me/
Thu, 2015-08-27 10:17
#115
Mulcair's involved in Canadian politics, not U.S. politics. He doesn't have to carry Arkansas. And even in the U.S., it's far from clear that any significant number of voters, or at least any who would ever even consider voting for any non-reactionary candidate, would hold the views today that Arkansas voters held on the matter in 1978.
We have had a thread drift where the topics spilled over to Hillary Clinton and the reason she took the Clinton name. Are you saying now that thread drifts are a no-no on this board?
Nobody who enjoyed seeing Laureen Harper do a Donna Reed imitation on CPAC would ever vote NDP (or even Liberal). You're talking about maybe 15% of the voters there.
CPAC is NON-partisan and the special was about former Chatelaine of 24 Sussex and those also interviewed were Margaret Trudeau, Maureen McTeer, Gills Turner and Sheila Martin.And of course Laureen Harper with her twirl.
Audrey McLaughlin kept their married last names because those were the names they established their public identities with. If they'd gone back to their original names before entering politics, they'd have used those names as party leaders. The only consideration at all was established name familiarity, not some weird fixation with still looking deferential to the men they'd divorced.
WRONG. Audrey McLaughlin divorced her husband in 1972, 16 years before she entered Federal politics. She kept her husbands surname, even though she could have gone back to her maiden name. Which was Brown.
In terms of Alexa, her father Lloyd Shaw was a very well known in Nova Scotia for his Company L.E. Shaw Ltd, brickmakers AND his involvement with the CCF. But for some reason Alexa chose to take her married name McDonough in the 1960s. LONG before she entered politics, which was in the 1980s.
Just setting the record straight.
The only one who seems to be keeping this thread alive is you. Maybe if you ignore the thread and let it die a natural death, we won't go onto page five.
But you are the one keeping it alive, not me. As I have not said one negative about a spouse taking her husbands name. I was just making an observation, not critziing or making a political point.
page 4? it's 2 pages.
Depends on how your settings are set. Mine is set where it shows 4 pages, so far. Ken Burch kept it up if you want to make it to page 5! As you are keeping this thread alive, not me.
Thu, 2015-08-27 15:51
#116
So what you really mean is that Macleans is rebranding the wife of the Opposition Leader.
I will take you seriously when you send some links from any NDP messaging that uses the hyphenated name.
Thu, 2015-08-27 15:54
#117
So what you really mean is that Macleans is rebranding the wife of the Opposition Leader.
I will take you seriously when you send some links from any NDP messaging that uses the hyphenated name.
You can add the CBC
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-leader-tom-mulcair-makes-his-pitch-i...
Thu, 2015-08-27 17:55
#118
So what has that got to do with the woman herself. Where is your evidence that she has decided to call herself that or that the party is calling her that. I call Harper Fucking Asshole all the time. If others naming people is good enough I hope that becomes his new name.
Thu, 2015-08-27 19:19
#119
kropotkin1951 rabble moderator MegB says
"Profanity, on the other hand, is allowed when not used in a personal attack."
http://rabble.ca/babble/election-2015/latest-polling-thread-july-14-2015...
Thu, 2015-08-27 19:24
#120
Was post #117 a personal attack??
And do you feel that you're the victim of it?
Thu, 2015-08-27 19:31
#121
Was post #117 a personal attack??
And do you feel that you're the victim of it?
I'm ABSOLUTELY NO Harper fan. I despise him and his politics. But I don't think we should use the "F" word to describe him, as per MegB rule.
Unless she has no problem using the "F" word to describe politicians, we'll have to wait to see what MegB has to say.
Thu, 2015-08-27 19:41
#122
So what has that got to do with the woman herself. Where is your evidence that she has decided to call herself that or that the party is calling her that. I call Harper Fucking Asshole all the time. If others naming people is good enough I hope that becomes his new name.
+1
I call him Stephen F. Harper.
Not sure that he has adopted the middle name I have given him.
Thu, 2015-08-27 19:51
#123
So what has that got to do with the woman herself. Where is your evidence that she has decided to call herself that or that the party is calling her that. I call Harper Fucking Asshole all the time. If others naming people is good enough I hope that becomes his new name.
+1
I call him Stephen F. Harper.
Not sure that he has adopted the middle name I have given him.
That is the BEST thing to do. Use the "F" word as an initial. I should tell everyone I'm really anti-profanity. Even speaking to people one on onem I never use profanity. As I think there are other words you can use to express oneself. If you need to use an F word, say Fudge.
Thu, 2015-08-27 20:00
#124
So what has that got to do with the woman herself. Where is your evidence that she has decided to call herself that or that the party is calling her that. I call Harper Fucking Asshole all the time. If others naming people is good enough I hope that becomes his new name.
+1
I call him Stephen F. Harper.
Not sure that he has adopted the middle name I have given him.
That is the BEST thing to do. Use the "F" word as an initial. I should tell everyone I'm really anti-profanity. Even speaking to people one on onem I never use profanity. As I think there are other words you can use to express oneself. If you need to use an F word, say Fudge.
Of course I meant fuddle duddle as a middle name.
Thu, 2015-08-27 20:23
#125
I'm ABSOLUTELY NO Harper fan. I despise him and his politics. But I don't think we should use the "F" word to describe him, as per MegB rule.
Unless she has no problem using the "F" word to describe politicians, we'll have to wait to see what MegB has to say.
Hehe.
I'm not sure we really need to wait, but OK, let's favour process on this one.
Thu, 2015-08-27 21:27
#126
Was post #117 a personal attack??
And do you feel that you're the victim of it?
I'm ABSOLUTELY NO Harper fan. I despise him and his politics. But I don't think we should use the "F" word to describe him, as per MegB rule.
Unless she has no problem using the "F" word to describe politicians, we'll have to wait to see what MegB has to say.
The personal attack rule is with reference to people on this site -- not public figures.
Besides it is not applied here consistantly anyway -- they are protective of some posters but ignore attacks on others.
I am not going to worry about swear words applied to the likes of people like Harper. I can't see this place tolerating anyone getting censured for calling Harper a swear word.
Thu, 2015-08-27 22:24
#127
Well Terry you still have not provided any proof for the outrageous title of this piece. It claims a specific woman has decided to change her name. If in fact she has not decided to do that I believe you would be attacking her personally.
So please stop talking about my "f" language and answer the question. Where have you seen her or the NDP refer to herself with a new name. If she has thats her choice but so far you are just spreading nasty innuendo against a feminist woman.
Fri, 2015-08-28 01:57
#128
Where have you seen her or the NDP refer to herself with a new name. If she has thats her choice but so far you are just spreading nasty innuendo against a feminist woman.
Indeed. From the NDP website (http://www.ndp.ca/tom) it says,
Tom has been married to his wife Catherine Pinhas, a public-health psychologist, for 37 years.
Fri, 2015-08-28 08:21
#129
Well Terry you still have not provided any proof for the outrageous title of this piece. It claims a specific woman has decided to change her name. If in fact she has not decided to do that I believe you would be attacking her personally.
From MegB Blog post this week
Welcome to another week with babble, rabble.ca's political discussion board. Here we see discussed everything from Justing Trudeau's hair to whether Mulcair spouse Catherine Pinhas should be referred to by her husband's last name. It's a mixed bag as usual as babble contributors try to separate fact from fluff.
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/rabble-staff/2015/08/chrystia-freeland-s...
So if the top mod/blogger here on rabble doesn't have a problem with this thread, why should you care? If MegB thought this was "outrageous' or I was 'attacking her personally' as you put it, this thread would have been pulled. But it hasn't. I'll take my cues from MegB over you any day.
Where have you seen her or the NDP refer to herself with a new name. If she has thats her choice but so far you are just spreading nasty innuendo against a feminist woman.
Indeed. From the NDP website (http://www.ndp.ca/tom) it says,
Tom has been married to his wife Catherine Pinhas, a public-health psychologist, for 37 years.
If you feel that strongly about it then why not email and SLAM the editors of Macleans, CBC, The National Post, and the Can India News for (as you put it) captioning her as an insult against feminist woman for using her married name.
If Catherine Pinhas Mulcair doesn't have a problem with the editors and people assuming she changed her name (by adding Mulcair), why should you care? It is HER name, not yours.
btw yesterday the Canoe Sun Media and Metroland Media filed stories referring to her as Catherine Pinhas Mulcair.
http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2015/08/27/mulcair-returns-for-niagar...
http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news-story/5818451-mulcair-wife-shop-down...
If all these news editors all across Canada are getting the name wrong, then the NDP should CORRECT these reporters and news editors. But the NDP IS NOT asking for any corrections on her name.
Fri, 2015-08-28 08:54
#130
alan smithee
FUCK.
Fri, 2015-08-28 09:00
#131
You mean FUDGE
Fri, 2015-08-28 09:07
#132
alan smithee
No I mean FUCK.
Say it loud,say it proud.
Fri, 2015-08-28 09:08
#133
NO!
Fri, 2015-08-28 09:34
#134
alan smithee
OK. Fornication Under Consent of the King. It's simpler to keep it short.
But really,there is no definitive meaning to that word. It's innocuous. Only old ladies get offended by that word.
Fri, 2015-08-28 13:15
#135
Thanks Terry you just confirmed that you have no proof. I expected as much. I laud you for your use of obfuscation instead of resorting to crude vulgarity.
Fri, 2015-08-28 14:34
#136
Thanks Terry you just confirmed that you have no proof.
Neither do you, so we are Even Steven.
Fri, 2015-08-28 14:42
#137
Put up or shut up, as they say, terrytowel. The majority of news outlets are referring to Catherine Pinhas (including, today, CBC today lead article "Who is Tom Mulcair"). So obviously no instruction such as you allege was given.
Either you made up the rumour, or your "source" was misinformed ... either way it was a nasty smearing piece of work and if you're not prepared to say where you got it from you should concede you were wrong. And I also think you should be apologizing to Ms. Pinhas for making a false allegation about her, but I somehow doubt that's going to happen.
Fri, 2015-08-28 14:48
#138
the Canoe Sun Media and Metroland Media filed stories referring to her as Catherine Pinhas Mulcair.
http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2015/08/27/mulcair-returns-for-niagar...
http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news-story/5818451-mulcair-wife-shop-down...
For every news item you can come up with branding her as Catherine Pinhas, I can find an equal amount of news items branding her as Catherine Pinhas Mulcair.
Again if she doesn't have a problem with how the media bills her, why should anyone else care? Seems to me people like kropotkin1951 and Tehanu are more fixated on the name issue than Catherine is.
Again it is HER name and HER issue. Not yours. So obviously she is not bothered by it. Yet the only ones who seem to be bothered about her name are some posters here like kropotkin1951 and Tehanu.
Fri, 2015-08-28 14:55
#139
Why are you not providing your source or admitting you were wrong?
Again if she doesn't have a problem with how the media bills her, why should anyone else care? Seems to me people like kropotkin1951 and Tehanu are more fixated on the name issue than Catherine is.Again it is HER name and HER issue. Not yours. So obviously she is not bothered by it. Yet the only ones who seem to be bothered about her name are some posters here like kropotkin1951 and Tehanu.
And I call bullshit, you were clearly bothered enough to repeat or make up a rumour and post it. This faux naif "it's her name" thing? Why did you post about it in the first place then?
And hell yeah I think it's important, for all the reasons I posted upthread.
Fri, 2015-08-28 14:58
#140
And hell yeah I think it's important, for all the reasons I posted upthread.
I think there are more important issues to talk about then somebody's personal choice over their name.
Her name, her choice.
Fri, 2015-08-28 15:08
#141
alan smithee
And hell yeah I think it's important, for all the reasons I posted upthread.
I think there are more important issues to talk about then somebody's personal choice over their name.
Her name, her choice.
So why open this thread?
Fri, 2015-08-28 15:26
#142
So why open this thread?
Obviously this has struck a nerve, otherwise it wouldn't be apporaching page six of this discussion.
Fri, 2015-08-28 18:01
#143
So why open this thread?
Obviously this has struck a nerve, otherwise it wouldn't be apporaching page six of this discussion.
Some posters never answer simple direct questions. I suspect because if he admitted that when he opened this thead he was just trolling to piss off NDP suppoters he knows it would not go over well.
Of course I could be wrong and maybe Terry will tell us why he opened this thread which claims in a title something he cannot suport and no one else has reported anywhere. This thread could have been opened on the premise that our MSM was changing Catherine's name but no it was opened as if she is changing her name.
So once again Terry show us where you got your information to say that Tom Mulcair's wife decided to change her name. Its a simple question.
Fri, 2015-08-28 20:07
#144
Obviously this has struck a nerve, otherwise it wouldn't be apporaching page six of this discussion.
I don't think the only way a thread can reach six pages is because the OP was speaking truth to power.
Sometimes it takes many pages to convince someone that their dog won't hunt. And sometimes even many pages won't convince someone that their dog won't hunt.
Mon, 2015-09-28 16:53
#145
So once again Terry show us where you got your information to say that Tom Mulcair's wife decided to change her name. Its a simple question.
Sorry this is a month late in responding to kropotkin1951. Mulcair wife is sending out fundraising letters signed Catherine P. Mulcair
Mon, 2015-09-28 16:53
#146
DP
Mon, 2015-09-28 16:59
#147
This isn't all that new.
[url=http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/2015/09/11/mulcair-may-need-time-on-... says he may need time to formulate laws on doctor-assisted suicide[/url]
He noted his wife, Catherine P. Mulcair, a psychologist who works both in private practice in long-term and palliative care at a community health centre in Verdun, Que., was also consulted in her role on the board of directors at the Order of Psychologists of Quebec.
[url=http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/04/09/thomas_mulcairs_wife_cathe... P. Mulcair is expected to remain a close confidante and adviser as her husband Thomas Mulcair takes on his new role of NDP leader.[/url] [from 2012]
Born Catherine Pinhas, she was raised in Paris, the daughter of Holocaust survivors of Turkish origin who descended from Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century during the Inquisition.
Mon, 2015-09-28 23:10
#148
So the decision that is the subject of this stupod thread occurred how many years ago? From the thread title one could presume she had changed it for the election campaign and not that she had changed it many years ago.
Gee Terry this thread still shows you in a bad light since you are trying to sell a lie because it seems she didn't change her name for this campaign. Apparently she is not as hung up about her name as you seem to be.
Tue, 2015-09-29 00:01
#149
So the decision that is the subject of this stupod thread occurred how many years ago? From the thread title one could presume she had changed it for the election campaign and not that she had changed it many years ago.
Gee Terry this thread still shows you in a bad light since you are trying to sell a lie because it seems she didn't change her name for this campaign. Apparently she is not as hung up about her name as you seem to be.
DEFLECTING. You had asked CLEARLY
It claims a specific woman has decided to change her name. If in fact she has not decided to do that I believe you would be attacking her personally.
So once again Terry show us where you got your information to say that Tom Mulcair's wife decided to change her name. Its a simple question.
Those were the TWO questions. And here is your simple answer below
In terms of Unionist post
This isn't all that new.
[url=http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/2015/09/11/mulcair-may-need-time-on-... says he may need time to formulate laws on doctor-assisted suicide[/url]
That link is dated Sep of 2015 DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
[url=http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/04/09/thomas_mulcairs_wife_cathe... P. Mulcair is expected to remain a close confidante and adviser as her husband Thomas Mulcair takes on his new role of NDP leader.[/url] [from 2012]
The link from 2012 is the DAY AFTER Mulcair won the leadership but as you said it yourself
So what you really mean is that Macleans (in this case The Toronto Star) is rebranding the wife of the Opposition Leader.
Especially since that 2012 article DID NOT interview her. Mrs. Mulcair declined to be interviewed.
I will take you seriously when you send some links from any NDP messaging that uses the hyphenated name.
The graphic above shows the NDP 'messaging' proof that you wanted. A fundraising she sent out using the surname Mulcair
But the main thrust is that your questions have been answered. She has changed her name, adding Mulcair to her surname for this campaign. Any way you try to spin out of this would just deflecting on your part. And sour grapes.
Tue, 2015-09-29 11:40
#150
swallow
Why is this so important to you. Terry?
Tue, 2015-09-29 14:17
#151
Why is this so important to you. Terry?
When people asked me questions, I answered. They are the ones keeping this thread alive, not me.