So this time it is a bridge that she didn't know had anything to do with Auschwitz, rather than some posts that she didn't know had anything to do with Auschwitz.
And it is a comment made at the same time, about the same series of photographs.
God forbid I should ever make fun of a picture of a spoon because someone forgot to label it "Auschwitz". At this point, who is really abusing the memory of that place more, her or the gotcha gang?
If everyone who made a stupid comment had to resign Terryt...l you would have had to resign from Babble a hundred times over.
Nothing new at all -- same series of tweets and the same issue: she did not know what it was.
Revisiting the story with nothing new is campaigning not delivering the news.
Let's not pretend that the media are not campaigning becuase that is exactly what they are doing.
I think the real lesson here is that she needs to have a full-time psychic on staff to tell her where all these unidentified photos were taken.
If everyone who made a stupid comment had to resign Terryt...l you would have had to resign from Babble a hundred times over.
I'm not the one who wrote the column, why not take it out of iPolitics? Are you now suggesting things should be censored here from being posted here because you don't like it?
Let's not pretend that the media are not campaigning becuase that is exactly what they are doing.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XqnMiVw8Xw]That they do, Sean.[/url]
If everyone who made a stupid comment had to resign Terryt...l you would have had to resign from Babble a hundred times over.I'm not the one who wrote the column, why not take it out of iPolitics? Are you now suggesting things should be censored here from being posted here because you don't like it?
I think the issue is the value of reposting something that is not news and is obviously published with partisan intent.
The point is not to post everything you see but to post something of purpose and say what the purpose actually is.
Over the last while I think many people post things that they know is partisan, non-news and not useful, true or fair. And then they claim that they are posting it because it is out there.
I disagree with that approach. People can do what they want but I more respect those who are making a point and use a media article to support it. In other words I think when you post an article you should say what it means and why it is important. Otherwise this becomes just a place of dueling partisan posts without comment. This place was not built as a regurgitation spot for the media. It is a comment site and articles should be referenced when there is some comment being attached. So don't be surprised when people ask why something is being posted and why the poster thought it was relevant.
This is not a partisan comment of mine-- people of all parties are doing this. I think it is cheap to post an article criticizing Trudeau or Mulcair and then claim oh well I posted it becuase it is there. If you post it -- say if you agree, disagree and why. Otherwise, people are going to conclude that the poster is putting stuff up that they agree with but don't have the courage to defend as that is the logical conclusion.
Just my opinion.
Sigh ( a good sigh) Sean in Ottawa always the voice of reaso nhere. Nicky wny can't you be more like Sean in Ottawa?
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Her ignorance is not newsworthy. We are all ignorant.
Her "repentance" and collaboration with the ultra-right wing pro-Netanyahu pro-Harper B'nai Brith needs to be publicly exposed and condemned.
I'm not holding my breath.
The other day at work, I mentioned to my young friend about watching "The Longest Day", and not being surprised by her reply should had never heard of D-Day. Being a Vet, these things are very dear to me. As I've posted, my dad was first wave ashore, second off his landing boat at Juno. I tend to want to talk about the Service, especially at Rememberance, Armistice, Veteran's day. I ALWAYS find the majority of these young people, know NOTHING about which I am talking. Given the countless "Rememberance Day" services at public schools every year, I find it a little confusing, but not surprising. Its the past people have moved on, for better, or for worse. And more importantly, for many people today, its not their experience, their parents had no first experience with it.
I have much the same kind of discussions about "the Holocost", I term I have truly grown to hate because it trivializes all of the suffering that all of our world's peoples have gone through. Again, for many today its just no part of their experience.
So now, here we are, the war on Alex Johnstone and that is what it is, miserable, nasty, slimy, reprhehsible attempt to destroy this young woman to elect a Liberal. And that is what this is about, electing a Liberal. Before this election, no one cared about her, or brought up this CRAP about Auschwitz. And the context of all her remaks MUST be seen within the context of her conversationson Face Book, no way else. But instead, its been spread, misrepresnted, and used against her, including on here. So she didn't know about Auschwitz, BIG DEAL! She knows about poverty, social justice, commitment to NDP old time CCF ideals. That is what matters. She is reprsenting the NDP, and that matters for what the NDP stands at the membership level, in the likes of activists and old timers like me. But oh no, no way, un uh. She has to pay. She's unfit. She can't hold officer because she didn't know about one thiing that matters to first, a lot of Jews, and more importanty political operatives trying to get an edge.
Talk about here all you want, but make sure it includes everything else. Its bullshit! I'm sick of it! MOVE ON!
Arthur, you obviously haven't read this [url=http://alexjohnstone.ndp.ca/joint-statement-from-alex-johnstone-and-b-na... falling-on-her-sword[/url] ordered by the party bigwigs in collaboration with B'nai Brith (I'm quite sure you know who and what B'nai Brith is).
It is diversionary and hypocritical and nonsensical to blame Johnstone for some silly comments she made and for not knowing about the history of the Nazi genocide.
But it's the NDP which made a big deal out of it - just as when Libby Davies said the Israeli occupation began in 1948, and Jack Layton immediately apologized to the Israeli ambassador, and she was bullied out of ever commenting again, in her political life, on the Middle East.
It's the same NDP which turfed Stefan Jonasson for telling the truth about Haredi woman-haters. And prevented four (4) people from running because of ancient comments they made about Israel.
The NDP should simply have told anyone who was "shocked" by Johnstone's ignorance to get a life and start dealing with the real issues of the day. Instead, they've sent yet another message that Jewish power is to be feared and respected. Fuck that.
Arthur, you obviously haven't read this [url=http://alexjohnstone.ndp.ca/joint-statement-from-alex-johnstone-and-b-na... falling-on-her-sword[/url] ordered by the party bigwigs in collaboration with B'nai Brith (I'm quite sure you know who and what B'nai Brith is).
It is diversionary and hypocritical and nonsensical to blame Johnstone for some silly comments she made and for not knowing about the history of the Nazi genocide.
But it's the NDP which made a big deal out of it - just as when Libby Davies said the Israeli occupation began in 1948, and Jack Layton immediately apologized to the Israeli ambassador, and she was bullied out of ever commenting again, in her political life, on the Middle East.
It's the same NDP which turfed Stefan Jonasson for telling the truth about Haredi woman-haters. And prevented four (4) people from running because of ancient comments they made about Israel.
The NDP should simply have told anyone who was "shocked" by Johnstone's ignorance to get a life and start dealing with the real issues of the day. Instead, they've sent yet another message that Jewish power is to be feared and respected. Fuck that.
Yeah, yeah, whatever! This is only a topic because the Libs want the seat. I say, Fuck that!
ETA: And knock off the holier than though bull You're no better a man than I am. Get over yourself for Christ Sake!
Yeah, yeah, whatever! This is only a topic because the Libs want the seat. I say, Fuck that!
ETA: And knock off the holier than though bull You're no better a man than I am. Get over yourself for Christ Sake!
I have never personally attacked you, and I will not do so. I'm not sure what your problem is debating issues - for example, you haven't responded to my points about B'nai Brith and the genuflection of the NDP whenever anything arises about Jews or Israel. Instead, you make gratuitous and insulting comments about me (and many others here).
Try composing just one post that doesn't make any allegation about the person you're responding to. Just one. The rest will come more easily.
By the way, here's a working link to robbie_dee's article:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5946747-ndp-federal-candidate-alex-joh...
Alex clearly isn't giving up, and good for her.
[url=http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5946747-ndp-federal-candidate-alex-joh... federal candidate Alex Johnstone takes the offense in Cable 14 HWAD debate[/url]
Hamilton West-Ancaster-Dundas NDP federal candidate Alex Johnstone dominated the Oct. 1 Cable 14 debate thrusting a parrying with her two main rivals the Liberal and Conservative candidates over anti-terror legislation, free trade, and leadership issues.
Johnstone came out firing against Liberal candidate Filomena Tassi, condemning Liberal leader Justin Trudeau for supporting. Bill C-51, the Anti-Terrorism legislation, but will to change parts of it.
Tassi said the Liberals saw portions of the bill as acceptable, while other parts of has been and will amend if the party is elected to office.
“That is the balancing of rights,” said Tassi. “This is the balancing of security.”
But Johnstone, a public school trustee who is also a familiar personality on local television commenting on politics, bore in on the Liberals’ position arguing that “if you’re against something then clearly the most obvious way to stand up against it is vote against it, right?
“Don’t lecture us on rights when your party has voted to strip Canadians rights,” she said.
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Johnstone, who characterized the Liberals and Trudeau throughout the debate as changing their minds on issues based on polling results, said the Liberals initially backed C-51 believing Canadians supported it as well. But as the public read the document, they eventually changed their minds, something the Liberals seem to be wrestling over, she said.
“The NDP came out and said out of principle we could not support Bill C-51 and we stood by our decision,” she said.
Johnstone, who has been diligent in her campaigning after apologizing for a joke she made in 2008 on social media about Auschwitz, and her acknowledgement that she didn’t know about the World War II concentration camp, also took to task the Conservatives’ economic policy, which has favoured corporations and high income Canadians. The NDP, she acknowledged, will raise taxes on large corporations by 2 per cent, so they can “pay their fair share.”
That money will be used to pay for core services that Conservatives have cut over the years, such as health care, education, and veterans’ programs, she said.
Thanks Unionist I think I fixed mine now.
Sigh ( a good sigh) Sean in Ottawa always the voice of reaso nhere. Nicky wny can't you be more like Sean in Ottawa?
TT while I appreciate the good will -- please don't do this. I respect Nicky -- I would not want Nicky to be any different.
We each get into personal things at times -- me as much as anyone -- and to be compared to someone else is not fair and not helpful to any of our relations with each other. On another day someone could ask me to be more like Nicky. None of this is going do anything than create bad feelings.
Sorry I don't want to spurn a complement but I do want to interact with all these people who have important things to say. We have different styles and weaknesses. My weaknesses have been the topic of the board and created division at times. When I am doing better I don't want one of my better days creating division now. I hope you understand.
Sigh ( a good sigh) Sean in Ottawa always the voice of reaso nhere. Nicky wny can't you be more like Sean in Ottawa?
TT while I appreciate the good will -- please don't do this. I respect Nicky -- I would not want Nicky to be any different.
We each get into personal things at times -- me as much as anyone -- and to be compared to someone else is not fair and not helpful to any of our relations with each other. On another day someone could ask me to be more like Nicky. None of this is going do anything than create bad feelings.
Sorry I don't want to spurn a complement but I do want to interact with all these people who have important things to say. We have different styles and weaknesses. My weaknesses have been the topic of the board and created division at times. When I am doing better I don't want one of my better days creating division now. I hope you understand.
Yeah I understand, OK!
the gotcha Liberal gang playing politics of the dirtiest sort
I have never personally attacked you, and I will not do so.
Oh? Do you remember the time you implied I was a racist? Probably not. I've never forgotten it, and I never will. And if you want me to post the thread, go find it yourself! I'll never forget it; it was the most smearful thing anyone has ever said to me.
Oh, and by the way, how many times have you posted, "Arthur I beg you, reconsider your words", type comments. Too many. Oh, but those aren't personal attacks. Why, that's just you saying, "don't be that way", like the said to Steve Allen, as he played Benny Goodman, in "The Benny Goodman Story".
I should have been a clarentist. At least then your comments would fit!
the gotcha Liberal gang playing politics of the dirtiest sort
So the True North Times are Liberals?
http://www.truenorthtimes.ca/2015/09/21/candidate-scandals-election-excl...
Spare me. YOU deal with it!
Admittedly, Unionist has never had a discouraging word to say about me or my posts. But if he ever does, I do hope to handle it like a grown up man.
AC, do you have any evidence that Liberals are involved in this? This is seat which flips between the Conservatives and Liberals.
TT is believed to be a Liberal. I think this is what was being alluded to, but I could be wrong.
AC, do you have any evidence that Liberals are involved in this? This is seat which flips between the Conservatives and Liberals.
I never said that anyone was involved in anything. But now that you mention, I wouldn't put it past either of them. And, Alex is doing very well there. This is not an election between only Lib and Troy. We'll see.
And as for you Magoo, it has nothing to do with being an Adult. I am getting tired of being pot-shotted, bullied, and intimidated.
the gotcha Liberal gang playing politics of the dirtiest sortSo the True North Times are Liberals?
http://www.truenorthtimes.ca/2015/09/21/candidate-scandals-election-excl...
i don't know what you're talking about. i was observing post #99 and Smoth's comments in 100 showing what bs terrytowel was trying to spread.
nasty ass politics by tt
This whole damn election is nasty ass. I honestly think if the NDP were way down in third, things would be a lot different in tone. The MSM and the old line parties would still be talking about nothing, while the NDP was talking to itself. I stil remember how mad Goodale was when the NDP told him he'd have to move because as the second party, they had a right to his office. That is arrogance unmatched on Goodale's part, and reflective of the LPC in its entirey! I expect a lot of face rubbing by the Libs when this election is done, and I'm hoping the NDP will stay true to its values and not react. And, regardless of what happens, Tom should stay on. NDP leaders lead, regardless of outcome, they don't turn tail and run. Go get em Tom!
The NDP usually give their leaders 3 kicks at the election can. Except for Adrian Dix in BC.
The NDP usually give their leaders 3 kicks at the election can. Except for Adrian Dix in BC.
I was specifically referrig to the Federal NDP. That kind of respect for the Leader is one of the reasons why I have always been proud of the part at the Federal level. As I said, go get em' Tom!
Alex Johnson, you go kick that Liberal and Conservative butt! Congrats on the excellent debate. You go grrl!
And TT, please stop speaking so authoritively about NDP protocol. You are not NDP, and so please don't redefine NDP policy to NDPers. It is very annoying.
And TT, please stop speaking so authoritively about NDP protocol. You are not NDP, and so please don't redefine NDP policy to NDPers. It is very annoying.
Beautiful Misfit!
This whole damn election is nasty ass. I honestly think if the NDP were way down in third, things would be a lot different in tone. The MSM and the old line parties would still be talking about nothing, while the NDP was talking to itself. I stil remember how mad Goodale was when the NDP told him he'd have to move because as the second party, they had a right to his office. That is arrogance unmatched on Goodale's part, and reflective of the LPC in its entirey! I expect a lot of face rubbing by the Libs when this election is done, and I'm hoping the NDP will stay true to its values and not react. And, regardless of what happens, Tom should stay on. NDP leaders lead, regardless of outcome, they don't turn tail and run. Go get em Tom!
I don't think the Liberals will be in any position to rub your face in it. They'll need your support in a minority. There's no majority in this that I can see, unless Quebec adopts Trudeau in 50 seats or the Cons disintegrate in Ontario over the next week.
This whole damn election is nasty ass. I honestly think if the NDP were way down in third, things would be a lot different in tone. The MSM and the old line parties would still be talking about nothing, while the NDP was talking to itself. I stil remember how mad Goodale was when the NDP told him he'd have to move because as the second party, they had a right to his office. That is arrogance unmatched on Goodale's part, and reflective of the LPC in its entirey! I expect a lot of face rubbing by the Libs when this election is done, and I'm hoping the NDP will stay true to its values and not react. And, regardless of what happens, Tom should stay on. NDP leaders lead, regardless of outcome, they don't turn tail and run. Go get em Tom!
I don't think the Liberals will be in any position to rub your face in it. They'll need your support in a minority. There's no majority in this that I can see, unless Quebec adopts Trudeau in 50 seats or the Cons disintegrate in Ontario over the next week.
The only party with a realistic chance of winning a majority this election is the Conservatives.
This whole damn election is nasty ass. I honestly think if the NDP were way down in third, things would be a lot different in tone. The MSM and the old line parties would still be talking about nothing, while the NDP was talking to itself. I stil remember how mad Goodale was when the NDP told him he'd have to move because as the second party, they had a right to his office. That is arrogance unmatched on Goodale's part, and reflective of the LPC in its entirey! I expect a lot of face rubbing by the Libs when this election is done, and I'm hoping the NDP will stay true to its values and not react. And, regardless of what happens, Tom should stay on. NDP leaders lead, regardless of outcome, they don't turn tail and run. Go get em Tom!
I don't think the Liberals will be in any position to rub your face in it. They'll need your support in a minority. There's no majority in this that I can see, unless Quebec adopts Trudeau in 50 seats or the Cons disintegrate in Ontario over the next week.
I don't bellive that. Based on what Trudeau has been saying, I think there's a possiblity if they get goverment that Trudeau will deal with things on an issue by issue basis, manuvering constnatly to corner the NDP into going along with them. He doesn't want anyone to see the NDP in government in any way; it'd put a wrench in his real goal, a LPC majority with him as PM in less the two years. Yep, I'm predicitng it. There'll be abother election in less than two years if the Libs win. Frankly, I wouldn't put it past the Tories to try and go sooner. We are entering a period of true chaos and nastiness that is going to last years.
And as for you Magoo, it has nothing to do with being an Adult. I am getting tired of being pot-shotted, bullied, and intimidated.
Then do like I do. Take a nap, save up your strength, and get back in the game. Whining is for whiners.
And as for you Magoo, it has nothing to do with being an Adult. I am getting tired of being pot-shotted, bullied, and intimidated.Then do like I do. Take a nap, save up your strength, and get back in the game. Whining is for whiners.
Sigh, whatever you say Mac!
Admittedly, Unionist has never had a discouraging word to say about me or my posts. But if he ever does, I do hope to handle it like a grown up man.
Give it time. 
I kid, I kid.
And TT, please stop speaking so authoritively about NDP protocol. You are not NDP, and so please don't redefine NDP policy to NDPers. It is very annoying.Beautiful Misfit!
So posters who are not NDP are not allowed to talk about NDP policy. If that is the case Arthur & Misfit I think you two should take step further. Ask the mods to ban people who aren't preaching to the converted. That way only rabid-NDP partisans would only be allowed on this board, and you can stifle any non-NDP viewpoint. So everything can be discussed from solely one viewpoint. So go get started!
The only party with a realistic chance of winning a majority this election is the Conservatives.
I am not so sure. I worry that the Liberals could pull ahead at the expense of the NDP -- even to majority. There are a lot of anti-Harper votes out there. I think there are a number of political polls -- and some may be manipulating the numbers to make sure people think the Liberals are the only ones who can stop Harper.
This could mean several things. The Conservatives and Liberals might not be as strong as we are being told. The NDP might not be as weak.
But the question of whether the polls lead or follow could not be more relevant.
If this strategy really exists, as I suspect, and it works, then it could lead to suppress the NDP vote to the benefit of the Liberals and seriously damage the NDP. It could place the Liberals in a majority position. Or it is possible that it won't work and the Liberals are actually not as close as they appear in the polls.
This is a serious warning to the strategic vote crowd. The data you are seeing may be biased or just plain wrong. And if a stampede occurs you could create a very right wing Liberal government -- which is what the Liberals are when they are not operating under threat from a strong NDP. There are a number of practical reasons I encourage those who may have some misgivings about the NDP campaign to vote NDP anyway even if you think you are in a losing campaign-- first you may not be, and second, any support for the NDP right now may serve to either prevent a majority Liberal government or to increase the chances that the Liberals, if elected, will not turn dramatically to the right.
Those who only fear a Conservative government really should stop to consider the threat of a right of centre Liberal government as the direct result of NDP weakness. There will be debate and argument within the NDP about this campaign. But at this point there are very good reasons to try to preserve NDP strength as much as possible. Liberals and Conservatives appear even more different than they actually are (and I do not deny that they are different) only because of the threat the NDP poses to the Liberals. The idea that the NDP and Liberals are interchangeable as alternatives to Harper is a denial of history.
All these threads, plagued by short attention span, have morphed into the same conversation. It's no longer possible to discuss actual issues of real life. It's all become just variations on the same theme: who's your favourite party, eh??? Or worse, who's your favourite leader, eh???
I guess that's the curse of a society where citizens are only allowed a say in the running of their affairs on election day, and even that say is mostly ephemeral. I don't think PR alone will go anywhere near curing this disease.
Actual issues of real life? I think there's a poll on that somewhere, isn't there? Of course, the pollster is probably biased against [insert name of the party I like here].
I have never personally attacked you, and I will not do so.
Oh? Do you remember the time you implied I was a racist? Probably not. I've never forgotten it, and I never will. And if you want me to post the thread, go find it yourself! I'll never forget it; it was the most smearful thing anyone has ever said to me.
Oh, and by the way, how many times have you posted, "Arthur I beg you, reconsider your words", type comments. Too many. Oh, but those aren't personal attacks. Why, that's just you saying, "don't be that way", like the said to Steve Allen, as he played Benny Goodman, in "The Benny Goodman Story".
I should have been a clarentist. At least then your comments would fit!
Alex Johnstone, NDP candidate, travels to Auschwitz
The good news is, she wants to learn.
The bad news is, her first question was "But seriously though... why are they penis-shaped??"
Yes, you are right. Unionist has made personal comments about you. But perhaps we need to close the door on all this.
Gee thanks, jjuares. In 147 posts so far, this thread has yet to see you comment on Alex Johnstone. But you've got lots of time to make gratuitous insults and then paint yourself as a peacemaker. I have so much to learn from you.
[moved to later spot in order to try, against all odds, to stop the diversion of the discussion]
Shameful pandering. First letting the B'nai Brith "educate" her about the facts of life, and now this. She really is going from bad to worse. She should be encouraged to read Norman Finkelstein's [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_Industry]The Holocaust Industry[/url]. And, perhaps, get back to some actual real issues of real life facing the Canadian people. If she is capable, of course.
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/alex-johnstone-ndp-candidate... Johnstone, NDP candidate, travels to Auschwitz[/url]
Yes, you are right. Unionist has made personal comments about you. But perhaps we need to close the door on all this.Gee thanks, jjuares. In 147 posts so far, this thread has yet to see you comment on Alex Johnstone. But you've got lots of time to make gratuitous insults and then paint yourself as a peacemaker. I have so much to learn from you.
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