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I don't care who does it...
Thu, 2015-10-01 19:23
#1
I don't care who does it...
Thu, 2015-10-01 19:24
#2
Step one to stopping the rightward drift is to destroy Harper's conservatives.
This is one election.
If this had begun a year ago it would be over for the Harperites. Harpers sins have been death by a thousand cuts.
The only time I look up from my computer during commercials is if the TV goes silent.
Imagine, white text on black, a slow roll like credits, line after line of sins.
Closing of experimental lakes 1 million a year.
Closing of veteran bureaus
Closing of coast guards stations
x number of regulators fired
Canadian paid scientists forbidden to speak to public
1 scientist on paid leave for writing a ditty against Harper
x spend on advertising
x spent on consultants
x for G20 fake lake for photo opportunities
x spent on G20 (other countries spent Y)
etc. ad infinium including all the arrests, things in "fair" elections act, change to the status of women and closing offices, it would be easy to have hundreds of examples.
A relentless neverending list proving Harper is no economic wonder preferably well before any election call.
Once people really get what the Conservatives have done so firmly in mind that they can't be swayed back, and only then, switch to what the Liberals did from the mid 90's on not with the intend of proving they are "just as bad" but rather that although they didn't do all the petty shit that their major policies are the same. Even if you are not a complete ass having the same policies as complete asses still damns by association.
Once you prove what a colossal failure the others have been, there is no need to promise balanced budgets or big new programs. All you have to present is how you plan on reversing the damage done.
Thu, 2015-10-01 19:28
#3
nope
Sun, 2015-10-04 23:47
#4
If you think Mcguinty and wynne represent change that ontarians wanted...well I guess you get what you deserve is all I can say. Hope you are ready for major disappointment if JT wins, your plate of crow will be waiting but you will likely disappear from these boards after single handedly chasing off half of its former regular posters.
Mon, 2015-10-05 00:33
#5
If you think Mcguinty and wynne represent change that ontarians wanted...well I guess you get what you deserve is all I can say. Hope you are ready for major disappointment if JT wins, your plate of crow will be waiting but you will likely disappear from these boards after single handedly chasing off half of its former regular posters.
What are you talking about? I don't know much about Ontario politics but both McGuinty and Wynne seem so dreadful I can't imagine how bad the other guys must be for Wynne to still have so much support.
What do you think I am expecting from a Liberal government that I won't get?
I'm expecting Harper to be gone and if JT wins that will happen.
He has reiterated his support for legalization and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't go ahead with it.
Really his promises have been very modest so I see no reason why he wouldn't go ahead with his platform. If he is elected he will have a mandate to run deficits.
In any case I didn't create this thread to boost the Liberals.
Mon, 2015-10-05 12:24
#6
JT doesn't seem like a confident or credible leader. He's coming across as a puppet over his head more and more.
C51 drove away a surprising number of conservatives supporters. JT didn't capatialize on it and will pay the price now.
Mon, 2015-10-05 12:41
#7
JT doesn't seem like a confident or credible leader. He's coming across as a puppet over his head more and more.
C51 drove away a surprising number of conservatives supporters. JT didn't capatialize on it and will pay the price now.
If you read my first post it was against both the Conservatives and the Liberals.
JT already paid the price for supporting C-51. His numbers are rising now so what he lost due to C-51 topped out.
Neither JT, Mulcair or Harper matter.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/race-to-the-middle-rhetoric-asi...
For radical change people need to know they are being robbed and that there is a means to stop the thieves. Once that happens all the parties have to try to convince people that they are the one that can do it.
Mon, 2015-10-05 15:58
#8
JT doesn't seem like a confident or credible leader. He's coming across as a puppet over his head more and more.
C51 drove away a surprising number of conservatives supporters. JT didn't capatialize on it and will pay the price now.
I wonder if you're watching the same election campaigns I'm watching.
Mon, 2015-10-05 16:28
#9
For radical change people need to know they are being robbed and that there is a means to stop the thieves. Once that happens all the parties have to try to convince people that they are the one that can do it.
I still don't know who to vote for. I try really hard to vote for the local MP I think is the best fit for the job but this year it's really hard to ignore all the crap going on at the upper tiers.
People either don't seem to care or they're so enraptured by their parties dogma they shrug off any criticisim and don't seem interested in addressing it.
JT doesn't seem like a confident or credible leader. He's coming across as a puppet over his head more and more.
C51 drove away a surprising number of conservatives supporters. JT didn't capatialize on it and will pay the price now.
I wonder if you're watching the same election campaigns I'm watching.
Thanks to bill C51 you can bet the conservatives are ;)
Sun, 2015-10-11 14:44
#10
White Cat
Step one to stopping the rightward drift is to destroy Harper's conservatives.
LOL. The Neo-Liberals have done as much move the country to the failed right as much as the Cons.
Chretien brought in spending cuts, UI benefit cuts, cuts to transfers and cuts to corporate taxes Mulroney could only dream of.
What's Junior running on? More "starve the beast" tax cuts that will reduce the size of the federal government. Tax cut daycare. More bitumen pipelines. No carbon pricing. TPP free-trade ideology.
So after Trudeau's Neo-Liberal decade goes down in corruption as Liberal governments tend to do, we will have another Neo-Con decade. Then the headless chickens will squawk: Stop the Cons! Stop the Cons! And the process will repeat itself all over again.
Break free from the curse of Sisyphus. Tear Up the Vote!
Sun, 2015-10-11 16:12
#11
What does Tear Up The Vote mean? Like actually ripping the vote card and not voting?
Mon, 2015-10-12 17:07
#12
Yes.
Mon, 2015-10-12 17:29
#13
Understand though, Paladin1, that merely not voting is insufficient.
You need to go to your polling station, stand in line, produce your voter's card, accept your ballot, THEN as loudly and awkwardly as possible, rip that ballot to little shreds while bemoaning the death of our democracy. And listen for the telltale sound of scales falling from eyes.
Unfortunately, as electoral stunts go, I think this one might just get upstaged by electors voting while wearing Darth Vader masks.
More on this would-be meme/social movement/#hashtag here.
Tue, 2015-10-13 01:14
#14
White Cat
Understand though, Paladin1, that merely not voting is insufficient.
You need to go to your polling station, stand in line, produce your voter's card, accept your ballot, THEN as loudly and awkwardly as possible, rip that ballot to little shreds while bemoaning the death of our democracy. And listen for the telltale sound of scales falling from eyes.
Unfortunately, as electoral stunts go, I think this one might just get upstaged by electors voting while wearing Darth Vader masks.
More on this would-be meme/social movement/#hashtag here.
Tearing Up the Vote! is about civil disobedience and raising awareness to the fact that Canada is not a democracy.
Voting in a pretend election only perpetuates the fraud and the suppression of your own democratic rights.
This election I knew that the news media would not let Mulcair win. That we would end up with another Neo-Liberal decade to continue the work of the previous Neo-Con decade: i.e., representing the business interest and the rich while, at best, pretending to represent the people.
Some people believe getting out more people to vote will bring change, despite the fact that your vote only counts if you're a moderate or radical conservative. Obviously these people haven't looked at the issue very closely, or like Mr. Magoo, are incapable of seeing what is right in front of their eyes.
What can the vast majority of non-conservative Canadians look forward to under our present corrupt voting system? Another 80 years before the NDP becomes Official Opposition littered with Liberal broken promises? Our third-world fourth estate claiming Canadians are opposed to real democracy and support our primitive FPTP voting system that continuously shuts them out of representation in government?
Let the scales fall from your eyes! Tear Up the fake, bullshit, pretend Vote! Demand the BIRTH of democracy in Canada!
Tue, 2015-10-13 02:39
#15
Tearing Up the Vote! is about civil disobedience ...
Tearing up your ballot is legal. The powers that be consider it to be allowable and perfectly fine for those so inclined.
Tue, 2015-10-13 16:05
#16
If you're convinced that the re-election of Harper makes no difference, then I can see the point about tearing up your ballot. Why bother?
However, from what I've seen here on rabble, there are few takers on that position. It appears to be virtually unanimous that a second Harper majority is a bad thing for the country and Canadian workers, in particular.
Further, since a low voter turnout is usually bodes well for the incumbent, a torn up ballot is pretty much a vote for Harper. Therefore, not voting is still voting by another means.
Tearing up your ballot might make you feel good for a couple of seconds, but that's about it.
Tue, 2015-10-13 18:18
#17
White Cat
If you're convinced that the re-election of Harper makes no difference, then I can see the point about tearing up your ballot. Why bother?
However, from what I've seen here on rabble, there are few takers on that position. It appears to be virtually unanimous that a second Harper majority is a bad thing for the country and Canadian workers, in particular.
Further, since a low voter turnout is usually bodes well for the incumbent, a torn up ballot is pretty much a vote for Harper. Therefore, not voting is still voting by another means.
Tearing up your ballot might make you feel good for a couple of seconds, but that's about it.
Yes, Tearing Up the Vote! is a vote for Harper. Not voting is a vote for Harper. A vote for the NDP is a vote for Harper. A vote for the Green party is a vote for Harper. Voting on principle is a vote for Harper. Walking in through the exit door at Walmart is a vote for Harper.
Jesus, the most significant reason I want Harper gone is just to get all the Stop Harper!! hystericals to STFU.
Of course, in all the headless-chicken panic no one seems to notice that Junior is pretty much Ok with all that Harper's done over the past 10 years. Makes perfect sense that one has to Stop Harper!! by giving Prince Charming a fake majority so he can cement in place almost all of SH's policies.
Watch Junior privatize Canada Post, the CBC and the CMHC. It's perfectly Ok as long as it's not Harper!
(Guess I'm not sophisticated enough to appreciate the subtle differences...)
Tue, 2015-10-13 19:13
#18
If you're convinced that the re-election of Harper makes no difference, then I can see the point about tearing up your ballot. Why bother?
However, from what I've seen here on rabble, there are few takers on that position. It appears to be virtually unanimous that a second Harper majority is a bad thing for the country and Canadian workers, in particular.
Further, since a low voter turnout is usually bodes well for the incumbent, a torn up ballot is pretty much a vote for Harper. Therefore, not voting is still voting by another means.
Tearing up your ballot might make you feel good for a couple of seconds, but that's about it.
Yes, Tearing Up the Vote! is a vote for Harper. Not voting is a vote for Harper. A vote for the NDP is a vote for Harper. A vote for the Green party is a vote for Harper. Voting on principle is a vote for Harper. Walking in through the exit door at Walmart is a vote for Harper.
Jesus, the most significant reason I want Harper gone is just to get all the Stop Harper!! hystericals to STFU.
Of course, in all the headless-chicken panic no one seems to notice that Junior is pretty much Ok with all that Harper's done over the past 10 years. Makes perfect sense that one has to Stop Harper!! by giving Prince Charming a fake majority so he can cement in place almost all of SH's policies.
Watch Junior privatize Canada Post, the CBC and the CMHC. It's perfectly Ok as long as it's not Harper!
(Guess I'm not sophisticated enough to appreciate the subtle differences...)
Fair enough. Don't vote and enjoy the rush.
Tue, 2015-10-13 19:26
#19
If you're convinced that the re-election of Harper makes no difference, then I can see the point about tearing up your ballot. Why bother?
However, from what I've seen here on rabble, there are few takers on that position. It appears to be virtually unanimous that a second Harper majority is a bad thing for the country and Canadian workers, in particular.
Further, since a low voter turnout is usually bodes well for the incumbent, a torn up ballot is pretty much a vote for Harper. Therefore, not voting is still voting by another means.
Tearing up your ballot might make you feel good for a couple of seconds, but that's about it.
Yes, Tearing Up the Vote! is a vote for Harper. Not voting is a vote for Harper. A vote for the NDP is a vote for Harper. A vote for the Green party is a vote for Harper. Voting on principle is a vote for Harper. Walking in through the exit door at Walmart is a vote for Harper.
Jesus, the most significant reason I want Harper gone is just to get all the Stop Harper!! hystericals to STFU.
Of course, in all the headless-chicken panic no one seems to notice that Junior is pretty much Ok with all that Harper's done over the past 10 years. Makes perfect sense that one has to Stop Harper!! by giving Prince Charming a fake majority so he can cement in place almost all of SH's policies.
Watch Junior privatize Canada Post, the CBC and the CMHC. It's perfectly Ok as long as it's not Harper!
(Guess I'm not sophisticated enough to appreciate the subtle differences...)
I do feel it's important to vote, but nonetheless I was quite impressed with this post.