What Happened To The NDP Slogan "Don't Vote Out Of Fear?"

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Sun, 2015-10-11 16:17

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

terrytowel wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

The NDP caucus is completley, unqualifably pro choice and pro LGBT.

Not anymore as there are TWO candidates right now running for the NDP, one that identifies as pro-life and anti-mariage equality, and another one who said he was anti-marriage equality 10 years ago.

Arthur my point is no political party is perfect. The NDP can no longer say that they don't allow pro-life candidates or anti-marriage equality candidates to run for them. Because now they have in this election. So the NDP can no longer hold the moral high ground on this.

If you want to blame anybody, blame Mulcair for signing their nomination papers.

The fact is NO political party is perfect.

You don't really think the NDP is going to allow any of its caucus to vote pro-life, do you? Its contrary to the party platform. I'm telling you they'll be read the riot act or they won't be part of the caucus ling; not llike the Liberals and that weasel Kevin Lamoureux! The LIbs and NDP are completely different, but nice try.

Sun, 2015-10-11 17:18

#103

terrytowel

No party is perfect.

Sun, 2015-10-11 17:52

#104

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

terrytowel wrote:

No party is perfect.

First of all, you're off topic. Secondly, if this issue was truly that important to you you wouldn't vote Liberal; this should be a deal breaker! Thirdly, you're trying to create false equivalency, it won't fit your narrative. The NDP had the consistently superior position on this like it does on any other. I simply don't believe a real lefty EVER votes Liberal. At best, you're a wishy-washy Centerist! That's the bed You made! Deal with it!

Sun, 2015-10-11 23:09

#105

Sean in Ottawa

Cody87 wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Oh for Christ sake! New Democrats preaching to Liberals about acting on Principle. Here, explain this one, why did Layton vote to bring down Martin; so Harper couldn't attack him!

Here is a newsflash: There was no reason for Layton to support Martin on principle when Martin was clearly going down and the government was finished.

Liberals are so arrogant that they presume to criticize other parties for being -- other parties.

Now the C-51 debate is quite different: in this Trudeau voted for legislation he said was bad based on a rationale that he, himself (in his own words), described as cowardice.

Not proping up a losing corrupt Liberal government is now compared by arrogant Liberals to voting for legislation that compromises the rights of Canadians and the Liberals, themselves claim not to agree with.

You gotta love it. We are being treated to the kind of arrogance that might rule us for the next four years -- or until Canadians remember just what Liberal arrogance really looks like.

Sun, 2015-10-11 23:20

#106

NDPP

Arthur Cramer wrote:

I simply don't believe a real lefty EVER votes Liberal.

Nor NDP.

Sun, 2015-10-11 23:26

#107

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

NDPP wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

I simply don't believe a real lefty EVER votes Liberal.

Nor NDP.

Bull, I am a Marxst by leaning. I vote NDP. Fail Mac!

Sun, 2015-10-11 23:27

#108

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Cody87 wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Oh for Christ sake! New Democrats preaching to Liberals about acting on Principle. Here, explain this one, why did Layton vote to bring down Martin; so Harper couldn't attack him!

Here is a newsflash: There was no reason for Layton to support Martin on principle when Martin was clearly going down and the government was finished.

Liberals are so arrogant that they presume to criticize other parties for being -- other parties.

Now the C-51 debate is quite different: in this Trudeau voted for legislation he said was bad based on a rationale that he, himself (in his own words), described as cowardice.

Not proping up a losing corrupt Liberal government is now compared by arrogant Liberals to voting for legislation that compromises the rights of Canadians and the Liberals, themselves claim not to agree with.

You gotta love it. We are being treated to the kind of arrogance that might rule us for the next four years -- or until Canadians remember just what Liberal arrogance really looks like.

Sean, the Liberals, are already, digging their grave! And as you say, they are too arrognat to notice it!

Sun, 2015-10-11 23:34

#109

Aristotleded24

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Cody87 wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Oh for Christ sake! New Democrats preaching to Liberals about acting on Principle. Here, explain this one, why did Layton vote to bring down Martin; so Harper couldn't attack him!

Here is a newsflash: There was no reason for Layton to support Martin on principle when Martin was clearly going down and the government was finished.

Liberals are so arrogant that they presume to criticize other parties for being -- other parties.

Now the C-51 debate is quite different: in this Trudeau voted for legislation he said was bad based on a rationale that he, himself (in his own words), described as cowardice.

Not proping up a losing corrupt Liberal government is now compared by arrogant Liberals to voting for legislation that compromises the rights of Canadians and the Liberals, themselves claim not to agree with.

You gotta love it. We are being treated to the kind of arrogance that might rule us for the next four years -- or until Canadians remember just what Liberal arrogance really looks like.

Sean, the Liberals, are already, digging their grave! And as you say, they are too arrognat to notice it!

And watch for the rise of Reform II.

Although here's a question: with a federalist government in Quebec, and a socialist government in Alberta, which province is Trudeau going to beat up on in order to score political points in Ontario this time?

Wed, 2015-10-21 10:16

#110

terrytowel

Does anyone think some NDP seats could have been saved if they used the narrative "Don't vote out of fear"? Because..

Don Desserud, a political science professor at the University of Prince Edward Island, said he believes Atlantic Canadians cast their ballots strategically to bolster the Liberals' chances of forming government and defeating the Conservatives.

"People who did not want the Conservatives to win were looking at the NDP as serious contenders," he said from Cornwall, P.E.I.

"When that stopped being as obvious a factor nationally ... that picked up the support for the Liberals and then you see this massive move in that direction."

Desserud said incumbents like Leslie, a well-liked MP both in Halifax and at the national level, shouldn't take the loss too personally.

"Everybody seems to like her," said Desserud. "I have to assume it has nothing to do with her. It's just basically people saying, 'We need to be absolutely sure that the Conservatives lose and this is the only way we can do it.' "

http://www.hamiltonnews.com/news-story/5967813-landslide-liberal-victory...

What Happened To The NDP Slogan "Don't Vote Out Of Fear?"

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