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Trudeau Cabinet
Tue, 2015-10-20 14:37
#1
Trudeau Cabinet
Tue, 2015-10-20 14:38
#2
Who are the top cabinet contenders?
Trudeau promised gender parity so that will be the first promise that could be broken.
Top contenders from the CBC that are women
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-trudeau-cabinet-1.3...
- Karen McCrimmon, Kanata-Carleton, a former Liberal leadership candidate and retired lieutenant colonel who was Canada's first female base commander.
- Chrystia Freeland, University-Rosedale (Toronto), a former business writer and executive at publications such as the Wall Street Journal and Thomson Reuters.
Plus these women's names, but still not enough to meet gender parity:
- Jody Raybould-Wilson, Vancouver Granville, a lawyer and former regional chief of the B.C. Assembly of First Nations.
- Pam Goldsmith-Jones, West Vancouver, the twice-elected mayor of West Vancouver.
- MaryAnn Mihychuk, Kildonan-St. Paul (Winnipeg), who held several provincial cabinet portfolios from 1999 to 2004 in the NDP government of Manitoba.
- Melanie Joly, Ahuntsic-Cartierville (Montreal), a strong candidate in Montreal's recent mayoral race.
- Marie-Claude Bibeau, Compton-Stanstead (Quebec), who worked for CIDA and has run a tourism business in Quebec's Eastern Townships.
- Catherine McKenna, Ottawa Centre, is a former legal adviser and negotiator for the United Nations peacekeeping mission in East Timor and an international trade lawyer.
and
- Carolyn Bennett, Toronto-St. Paul's.
- Hedy Fry, Vancouver Centre.
Tue, 2015-10-20 17:39
#3
You forgot Joyce Murray
Tue, 2015-10-20 18:47
#4
Ralph Goodale will certainly play a key role. He has experience, and he is the only Liberal MP from Saskatchewan and remains very popular.
Tue, 2015-10-20 19:12
#5
And my MP, right-wing Bill Morneau, setting the tone for the government as Finance Minister. Makes Joe Oliver look like a Commie.
Tue, 2015-10-20 20:03
#6
Marc Garneau.
Marco Mendocino.
Andrew Leslie.
John McCallum.
Seamus O'Regan.
Dom LeBlanc.
another 2-3 Atlantic seats
1-2 of the Alberta seats.
Tue, 2015-10-20 21:00
#7
Plus these women's names, but still not enough to meet gender parity
If Trudeau cannot form Cabinet with 50% women as promised, does he have to appoint female MPs from other parties, or does he have to call a byelection?
Wed, 2015-10-21 17:14
#8
I think that due to Trudeau seeking gender parity, and the need for regional balance, there will be a lot of upset members of the GTA caucus. I'm thinking Adam Vaughan and Bill Blair will be collecting dust on the backbenches.
Wed, 2015-10-21 17:35
#9
And my MP, right-wing Bill Morneau, setting the tone for the government as Finance Minister. Makes Joe Oliver look like a Commie.
Agree. Mr. C.D. Howe Institute is horrible.
Wed, 2015-10-21 22:34
#10
Kent Hehr from Alberta
One or two from BC
Hedy Fry
Joyce Murray
Pam Goldsmith Jones
Harjit Sajjan
Carla Qualtrough
Ontario: Navdeep Bains
Wed, 2015-10-21 22:44
#11
There are about 50 women in caucus. He only needs 13 if his cabinet has 25 members.
Fri, 2015-10-23 00:00
#12
There are about 50 women in caucus. He only needs 13 if his cabinet has 25 members.
I'm guessing probably 12 men and 12 women and then himseld.
Judy Foote is seen as the most likley pick from Newfoundland and Labrador.
Tue, 2015-10-27 04:05
#13
Seamus O'Regan is considered the most likely cabinet pick for Newfoundland & Labrador.
Although if it were me I would choose Yvonne Jones or Judy Foote since they have experience in Provincial Government.
Tue, 2015-10-27 05:38
#14
Trudeau has pledged a cabinet of 25 with half women. Since he is PM that means 13 women ministers.
Given regional considerations this may be difficult. All of the Liberal MPs from Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the Territories are men. Assuming Alberta gets two ministers and the rest one each that leaves just 5 places for male ministers from the rest of the country.
Tue, 2015-10-27 12:38
#15
swallow
Here's my guesses, 30 ministers in total (includes a few who will be named junior ministers), 15 men, 15 women, attempts at regional balance, leaves in some of Trudeau's faves.
NL Judy Foote
NS Scott Brison, Bernadette Jordan
NB Dominic Leblanc
PEI Wayne Easter
QC Stephane Dion, Marc Garneau, Melanie Jolie, Marie-Claude Bibeau, Anju Dhillon, Diane Lebouthillier, Alexandra Mendes
ON Carolyn Bennett, Bill Blair, Navdeep Bains, Chrystia Freedland, Andrew Leslie, John McCallum, Bill Morneau, Judy Sgro, Karen McCrimmon, Igra Khalid
MB Mary-Anne Mihychuk
SK Ralph Goodale
AB Kent Hehr, Amerjeet Sohi
BC Sukh Dhaliwal, Joyce Murray, Jody Wilson-Raybould, Hedy Fry
North Hunter Tootoo
Tue, 2015-10-27 12:41
#16
Or a bigger cabinet, immediately followed by howls of outrage over "Liberal bloat" from the right wing and the NDP. I'm expecting Chrteien-style secretaries of state to make the numbers balance.
I anticipate a lot of white men holding the "senior" cabinet positions like Finance, Foreign Affairs, Industry and Defence.
Tue, 2015-10-27 12:48
#17
swallow
Opps, I mis-spelled Chrétien. I shall apologize and edit before anyone suggests it was a slur on our esteemed friend from Shawinigan.
Tue, 2015-10-27 12:49
#18
swallow
Or a bigger cabinet, immediately followed by howls of outrage over "Liberal bloat" from the right wing and the NDP. I'm expecting Chrétien-style secretaries of state to make the numbers balance.
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/trudeau-cabinet-liberals-1.3279695... Star picks 6 from Toronto, 5 of them men.[/url]
[url=http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/who-could-be-a-cabinet-minister-... picks the papabile - 9 men, 4 women[/url]
[url=http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/heres-what-a-... Post picks 6 ministers, 5 of them men[/url]
Tue, 2015-10-27 22:26
#19
Here's my guesses, 30 ministers in total (includes a few who will be named junior ministers), 15 men, 15 women, attempts at regional balance, leaves in some of Trudeau's faves.
NL Judy Foote
NS Scott Brison, Bernadette Jordan
NB Dominic Leblanc
PEI Wayne Easter
QC Stephane Dion, Marc Garneau, Melanie Jolie, Marie-Claude Bibeau, Anju Dhillon, Diane Lebouthillier, Alexandra Mendes
ON Carolyn Bennett, Bill Blair, Navdeep Bains, Chrystia Freedland, Andrew Leslie, John McCallum, Bill Morneau, Judy Sgro, Karen McCrimmon, Igra Khalid
MB Mary-Anne Mihychuk
SK Ralph Goodale
AB Kent Hehr, Amerjeet Sohi
BC Sukh Dhaliwal, Joyce Murray, Jody Wilson-Raybould, Hedy Fry
North Hunter Tootoo
I think you've provided a good outline there.
I will just make a couple comments:
1. Jim Carr is the most likely cabinet pick for Manitoba.
2. The Amerjeet Sohi seat in Edmonton-Mill Woods was very close and has now been sent to a judicial recount.
Tue, 2015-10-27 22:29
#20
Here's my guesses, 30 ministers in total (includes a few who will be named junior ministers), 15 men, 15 women, attempts at regional balance, leaves in some of Trudeau's faves.
NL Judy Foote
NS Scott Brison, Bernadette Jordan
NB Dominic Leblanc
PEI Wayne Easter
QC Stephane Dion, Marc Garneau, Melanie Jolie, Marie-Claude Bibeau, Anju Dhillon, Diane Lebouthillier, Alexandra Mendes
ON Carolyn Bennett, Bill Blair, Navdeep Bains, Chrystia Freedland, Andrew Leslie, John McCallum, Bill Morneau, Judy Sgro, Karen McCrimmon, Igra Khalid
MB Mary-Anne Mihychuk
SK Ralph Goodale
AB Kent Hehr, Amerjeet Sohi
BC Sukh Dhaliwal, Joyce Murray, Jody Wilson-Raybould, Hedy Fry
North Hunter Tootoo
Dhillon , Khalid, Sohi and Dhaliwal probably wont make the list.
It may be Alghabra and Sajjan instead.
Wed, 2015-10-28 02:02
#21
Jean-Yves Duclos, an economist from the University of Laval who was elected in the riding of "Québec" may be a possibility for a Trudeau Cabinet.
Québec was 1 of 2 seats the LPC won in Québec City (the other being Louis-Hébert). They will presumably want to keep their toehold in Quebec City by having someone represent the city, and Duclos is considered more likely to be the choice than Joel Lightbound (Louis-Hébert).
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/jean-yves-duclos-an-economist-goe...
Wed, 2015-10-28 13:41
#22
swallow
Carr, Duclos, Alghabra, etc - yes, I agree they would be likely, but each man added must delete another man or require the addition of another woman to maintian gender parity.
Try it, it's a good drinking game.
Wed, 2015-10-28 17:19
#23
do you really believe there'll be gender parity?
Wed, 2015-10-28 17:52
#24
swallow
Well, it's a campaign promise. Will Trudeau break it, when there are more women than ever in parliament? Fair question, for sure.
Wed, 2015-10-28 18:09
#25
Bill Blair - Minister of Love?
Bill Morneau - Minister of Plenty?
Karen McCrimmon - Minister of Peace?
Chrystia Freeland - Minister of Truth?
Wed, 2015-10-28 18:12
#26
It sounds like the Liberal Cabinet will end up being 30 people rather than 25.
That sounds like a more realistic objective.
There is a larger number of regions to represent because of the larger than expected caucus.
Wed, 2015-10-28 18:32
#27
It sounds like the Liberal Cabinet will end up being 30 people rather than 25.
That sounds like a more realistic objective.
There is a larger number of regions to represent because of the larger than expected caucus.
Yes I've been hearing 30-32.
Wed, 2015-10-28 20:27
#28
Andrew Coyne has kind of been scoffing at the idea of a cabinet that is half women, but if it's ever going to happen in Canada, Justin Trudeau may be the one to do it.
JT is of a different generation than previous leaders (born in 1971) and he has always been surrounded be strong women who have a bigger role in his life than that of previous leaders.
Unlike Margaret Trudeau and other women spouses who were basically expected to stay in the domestic world in the home, Sophie Grégoire plays a real role as an advisor and partner unlike Margaret & Pierre.
And after Gerald Butts, the most powerful person in JT's inner cirlce is Katie Telford. She is expected to be the new Chief of Staff to the PM.
So I think Justin Trudeau means it when he says we will see an unprecedented breakthrough for women in the cabinet.
Even if you aren't a fan of Justin Trudeau, I think this is one area where he means business.
Wed, 2015-10-28 21:44
#29
pir
Yeah, I see Trudeau justifying a larger cabinet before reneging on that particular campaign promise, either directly (I agree he has some justification), or by installing "secretaries of state" as somebody else already mentioned.
Wed, 2015-10-28 21:57
#30
I think we will see powerful women in the Liberal Goverment.
We will also see more women appointed to the Bench.
Neither were features of the Harper Regime.
As Irwin Cotler wrote recently in an analysis he did of Judicial appointments under Harper, fewer women were appointed to the Bench under Harper than under Chrétien/Martin, even though there are more women in the legal profession now than there were during the Liberal Government years.
Wed, 2015-10-28 22:44
#31
I said this before, when Trudeau first made his promise, but I'mma say it again anyway.
I don't have any quarrel with him actually appointing a gender-balanced cabinet, but I think it might have been a mistake to promise it.
No, not so that he can weasel out if it proves too challenging.
No, not because I stand in sympathy with some dude who didn't get the portfolio he felt entitled to.
And no, not because I don't believe that there are capable women in the Liberal or any other caucus.
Here's the thing. Had Trudeau simply made no promise, and then appointed a gender-balanced cabinet, progressives would wholeheartedly approve. And even if he'd only come close -- say, 58% male, 42% female -- folk still would have been generally approving. And if anyone were to say "why was this woman chosen as Minister of Agriculture" he could say "because she was the best person for the job".
But he made a promise to appoint "X" number of women to cabinet when he had absolutely no way to know which women or men he'd have to choose from. In effect, he promised to ignore merits, if needed, in order to ensure that "X" women got cabinet positions. So now, if he does appoint a balanced cabinet, detractors of any of those female Ministers are free to publicly wonder whether she received her portfolio because of her own merits, or because Trudeau needed one more woman in order to keep his promise. He may end up with more female cabinet ministers than any other PM, but by "pre-appointing" them before he even knew who they were, he's relegated any of them to being viewed as a potential "token", regardless of their own merits.
Wed, 2015-10-28 22:58
#32
Valid point.
I would have left myself the option of making it more of a 60/40 split if that became necessary.
We're so far behind compared to a country like Sweden when it comes to the percentage of women in our Parliament that it's hard to make a big leap up so suddenly.
The Liberals still have far more men than women in their caucus.
And even the NDP, while having the highest percentage of women elected, isn't as high as it could be either.
The Conservatives, meanwhile, are back in the Stone Age.
Wed, 2015-10-28 23:12
#33
I said this before, when Trudeau first made his promise, but I'mma say it again anyway.
I don't have any quarrel with him actually appointing a gender-balanced cabinet, but I think it might have been a mistake to promise it.
No, not so that he can weasel out if it proves too challenging.
No, not because I stand in sympathy with some dude who didn't get the portfolio he felt entitled to.
And no, not because I don't believe that there are capable women in the Liberal or any other caucus.
Here's the thing. Had Trudeau simply made no promise, and then appointed a gender-balanced cabinet, progressives would wholeheartedly approve. And even if he'd only come close -- say, 58% male, 42% female -- folk still would have been generally approving. And if anyone were to say "why was this woman chosen as Minister of Agriculture" he could say "because she was the best person for the job".
But he made a promise to appoint "X" number of women to cabinet when he had absolutely no way to know which women or men he'd have to choose from. In effect, he promised to ignore merits, if needed, in order to ensure that "X" women got cabinet positions. So now, if he does appoint a balanced cabinet, detractors of any of those female Ministers are free to publicly wonder whether she received her portfolio because of her own merits, or because Trudeau needed one more woman in order to keep his promise. He may end up with more female cabinet ministers than any other PM, but by "pre-appointing" them before he even knew who they were, he's relegated any of them to being viewed as a potential "token", regardless of their own merits.
Very well articulated. Agreed completely.
Wed, 2015-10-28 23:17
#34
I've come to learn that Justin Trudeau, Gerald Butts, Katie Telford and the rest of Team Trudeau have strong beliefs in doing things a particular way.
I agree that it's risky to promise a particular equal number of women in the cabinet before knowing for sure how it will be accomplished, but I think this is something they believe in.
So we will see how it materalizes.
Wed, 2015-10-28 23:23
#35
I've come to learn that Justin Trudeau, Gerald Butts, Katie Telford and the rest of Team Trudeau have strong beliefs in doing things a particular way.
I agree that it's risky to promise a particular equal number of women in the cabinet before knowing for sure how it will be accomplished, but I think this is something they believe in.
So we will see how it materalizes.
Well, Magoo's point is he has no issue with Trudeau putting equal numbers of women in cabinet (or even just close to the same). But the promise itself is the issue, because now (some of) the women who get cabinet positions will be viewed (by some) as simply there to fulfill a quota.
Trudeau can believe in gender parity all he wants, and credit to him for that, but if he hadn't promised it and then appointed a cabinet with equal numbers women and men, then there wouldn't be accusations that certain women just got the positisons for reasons other than merit.
Thu, 2015-10-29 00:41
#36
Oh, I think those accusations would have come even without a specific promise on gender parity.
Such things have happened before.
Thu, 2015-10-29 01:09
#37
Oh, I think those accusations would have come even without a specific promise on gender parity.
Without the specific promise, Trudeau could have replied to such accusations with "no, I wouldn't have appointed them if they weren't the best person for the job".
Thu, 2015-10-29 02:04
#38
Well, Magoo's point is he has no issue with Trudeau putting equal numbers of women in cabinet (or even just close to the same). But the promise itself is the issue, because now (some of) the women who get cabinet positions will be viewed (by some) as simply there to fulfill a quota.
Trudeau can believe in gender parity all he wants, and credit to him for that, but if he hadn't promised it and then appointed a cabinet with equal numbers women and men, then there wouldn't be accusations that certain women just got the positisons for reasons other than merit.
Those accusations would have come anyway.
Gotta have someone from every province and region to create a "balanced" cabinet. What if the only reps from a province are crappy? Doesn't seem like a merit based system to me.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/11341816...
Catalyst cited research showing that a gender diverse board leads a company to better financial performance. Between 2005 and 2009, the top quartile of Fortune 500 companies by female boardroom representation outperformed those in the lowest quartile with a 16pc higher return on sales and a 26pc increase in return on invested capital -- numbers which grew to 84pc and 60pc respectively for companies with sustained high representation of women on their boards.
Diverse boards have also been shown to strengthen a company’s talent pipeline and increase innovation, leading to a stronger group performance, Catalyst said.
Having a quota for women is more likely to lead to a higher performing cabinet than regional quotas which often result in men having to be chosen just because they happen to come from the right province.
Weird that no one questions men's competence or right to be in cabinet on non-performance based criteria.
Thu, 2015-10-29 02:30
#39
Those accusations would have come anyway.
And as I noted above, Trudeau could much more easily rebut them by saying that all of his cabinet were chosen on merit if he hadn't promised to choose them by gender instead.
Weird that no one questions men's competence or right to be in cabinet on non-performance based criteria.
It may be convention that drives PMs to choose a cabinet that's geographically (somewhat) representative. But notice that nobody campaigns by promising that four of their cabinet ministers will be chosen from B.C.? That makes it considerably more difficult for any critics to imply that a cabinet minister from B.C. was only appointed to fulfil the "four from B.C." quota.
Thu, 2015-10-29 02:46
#40
Andrew Coyne has kind of been scoffing at the idea of a cabinet that is half women, but if it's ever going to happen in Canada, Justin Trudeau may be the one to do it.
JT is of a different generation than previous leaders (born in 1971) and he has always been surrounded be strong women who have a bigger role in his life than that of previous leaders.
Unlike Margaret Trudeau and other women spouses who were basically expected to stay in the domestic world in the home, Sophie Grégoire plays a real role as an advisor and partner unlike Margaret & Pierre.
And after Gerald Butts, the most powerful person in JT's inner cirlce is Katie Telford. She is expected to be the new Chief of Staff to the PM.
So I think Justin Trudeau means it when he says we will see an unprecedented breakthrough for women in the cabinet.
Even if you aren't a fan of Justin Trudeau, I think this is one area where he means business.
Those are excellent points. Trudeau will surely do many things that progressives will condemn but I hope that they can also give credit where credit is due.
Gender parity in cabinet will be a huge step forward for women in Canada. It is leading by example.
Thu, 2015-10-29 09:08
#41
oh for fk sakes it's going to be pretty hard to complain about merit based decisions for women when the fking prime minister has no credentials to be prime minister himself.
to me the men saying this shit are trying to make excuses as to why there won't or shouldn't be women parity in the Liberal caucus.
Thu, 2015-10-29 09:37
#42
oh for fk sakes it's going to be pretty hard to complain about merit based decisions for women when the fking prime minister has no credentials to be prime minister himself.
to me the men saying this shit are trying to make excuses as to why there won't or shouldn't be women parity in the Liberal caucus.
Exactly! The same bullshit excuses that we always hear (generally from men, surprise surprise) whenever parity or affirmative action is proposed.
Thanks for introducing some plain truth into this conversation, quizzical.
Thu, 2015-10-29 09:44
#43
swallow
Attacks on affirmative action will always happen. Personally, I'll be wondering if the men in cabinet got into it on merit, or because Trudeau promised half of cabinet would be men. Because women need to be much more qualified than their male counterparts to succeed in politics.
I think some very basic remedial reading on the basis of affiramtive action policies is needed here.
As for percentage of women in parliament, Canada lags behind Sweden, sure. It also lags behind Rwanda, Timor-Leste, Nepal, and many others.
Thu, 2015-10-29 10:18
#44
oh for fk sakes it's going to be pretty hard to complain about merit based decisions for women when the fking prime minister has no credentials to be prime minister himself.to me the men saying this shit are trying to make excuses as to why there won't or shouldn't be women parity in the Liberal caucus.
Exactly! The same bullshit excuses that we always hear (generally from men, surprise surprise) whenever parity or affirmative action is proposed.
Thanks for introducing some plain truth into this conversation, quizzical.
your welcome i always aim to please. ;)
i just couldn't believe they were skipping right over the reality the Liberal leader has no merit credentials at all and are expecting more from elected women in their party than they do of their own leader, or there'll be questions as to merit from the media... pure sexism and denial of reality.
Thu, 2015-10-29 10:30
#45
In the end numerical parity is quite meaningless. It's a parity in power that is needed. Some cabinet positions ar quite meaningless.
Thu, 2015-10-29 10:36
#46
Unlike Margaret Trudeau and other women spouses who were basically expected to stay in the domestic world in the home, Sophie Grégoire plays a real role as an advisor and partner unlike Margaret &
Could we dispense with the "power behind the throne" and First Lady nonsense? Trudeau was elected PM not Sophie. It is just 50's sexist crap to go on about his partner and it and has no place here.
Thu, 2015-10-29 10:49
#47
In the end numerical parity is quite meaningless. It's a parity in power that is needed. Some cabinet positions ar quite meaningless.
if they're meaningless why is there a cabinet portfolio? seems like a waste of our money then. we've already had enough wasted under Harper where everything was run out of the 500 person PMO and all others were paid for doing sfa.
Thu, 2015-10-29 11:49
#48
It's a fine promise. Perhaps the Deputy PM will be a woman (Chrystia Freeland?), or perhaps not. Regardless, the Deputy PM can stay back and mind the House while Trudeau goes off to gallivant with the electorate and pose with them in their selfies. The cabinet and Deputy PM can then make sure the business of setting up infrastructure P3s with borrowed money goes on smoothly and efficiently, while also planning the divestment of assets and expenditure review of the public service to pay this off.
Thu, 2015-10-29 11:54
#49
In the end numerical parity is quite meaningless. It's a parity in power that is needed. Some cabinet positions ar quite meaningless.if they're meaningless why is there a cabinet portfolio? seems like a waste of our money then. we've already had enough wasted under Harper where everything was run out of the 500 person PMO and all others were paid for doing sfa.
Well the Americans run their federal government and their empire with a cabinet of 15. And we need 30?
Thu, 2015-10-29 11:57
#50
It's a fine promise. Perhaps the Deputy PM will be a woman (Chrystia Freeland?), or perhaps not. Regardless, the Deputy PM can stay back and mind the House while Trudeau goes off to gallivant with the electorate and pose with them in their selfies. The cabinet and Deputy PM can then make sure the business of setting up infrastructure P3s with borrowed money goes on smoothly and efficiently, while also planning the divestment of assets and expenditure review of the public service to pay this off.
Freeland wrote a reasonable book but beyond that I have been less than impressed.
Thu, 2015-10-29 14:27
#51
i just couldn't believe they were skipping right over the reality the Liberal leader has no merit credentials at all and are expecting more from elected women in their party than they do of their own leader, or there'll be questions as to merit from the media... pure sexism and denial of reality.
Did you not watch the Election we just went through?
The overwhelming consensus from everyone across the spectrum was that Justin Trudeau definitely proved he was ready to be PM.