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jjuares wrote:

Could we dispense with the "power behind the throne" and First Lady nonsense? Trudeau was elected PM not Sophie. It is just 50's sexist crap to go on about his partner and it and has no place here.

I think you're interpreting what I said in the opposite way it was intended.

The point is that Sophie & Margaret, as well as Justin and the journalists, have explained that Margaret was not an equal partner with Pierre.  There was a 30-year age gap between them and she was expected to be in the mother role and not have much to do with advising on policy.

We are now in a different generation in which Sophie has a much larger say in this Liberal leader's decisions than was the case under Margaret & Pierre.

jjuares

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jjuares wrote:

Could we dispense with the "power behind the throne" and First Lady nonsense? Trudeau was elected PM not Sophie. It is just 50's sexist crap to go on about his partner and it and has no place here.

I think you're interpreting what I said in the opposite way it was intended.

The point is that Sophie & Margaret, as well as Justin and the journalists, have explained that Margaret was not an equal partner with Pierre.  There was a 30-year age gap between them and she was expected to be in the mother role and not have much to do with advising on policy.

We are now in a different generation in which Sophie has a much larger say in this Liberal leader's decisions than was the case under Margaret & Pierre.


Sophie has a say in his decisions? Sure she should, just like the other 34 million Canadians. Other than that I would say he should probably consult, you know, parliament, his caucus, his party, other levels of government, the civil service, experts In the field just to name a few. I mean who elected her? Already I have seen more articles about this celebrity couple than any other PM and his spuse at this point.

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jjuares wrote:
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jjuares wrote:

Could we dispense with the "power behind the throne" and First Lady nonsense? Trudeau was elected PM not Sophie. It is just 50's sexist crap to go on about his partner and it and has no place here.

I think you're interpreting what I said in the opposite way it was intended.

The point is that Sophie & Margaret, as well as Justin and the journalists, have explained that Margaret was not an equal partner with Pierre.  There was a 30-year age gap between them and she was expected to be in the mother role and not have much to do with advising on policy.

We are now in a different generation in which Sophie has a much larger say in this Liberal leader's decisions than was the case under Margaret & Pierre.

Sophie has a say in his decisions? Sure she should, just like the other 34 million Canadians. Other than that I would say he should probably consult, you know, parliament, his caucus, his party, other levels of government, the civil service, experts In the field just to name a few. I mean who elected her? Already I have seen more articles about this celebrity couple than any other PM and his spuse at this point.

She has no say in his decisions, I think it was poor phrasing to say otherwise. They do discuss issues so she does influence him from that perspective.

That Trudeau's support for equality was influenced by the generation he was born to and the women he has been influenced by which includes his wife and the women he has worked with such as Katie Telford.

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Perhaps the Deputy PM will be a woman...

...the Deputy PM can stay back and mind the House

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Have the Liberals decided whether they are bringing back the Deputy PM position?

Don't forget that abolishing the Deputy PM position was one of the first things Harper did in 2006 when he took over.

It was an early sign of his megolomania and his desire to dominate the will of others in his caucus.

Harper is not a man who wants to share power or have a Deputy.

Even right-wing shill John Ibbitson admits that in his new Harper book.

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Who cares who the Libs have in cabinet? It doesn't matter. They vote like good little soldiers exactly as the dictator in the PMO directs them, and what do you know, its another Trudeau. Canadians LOVE royalty!

pookie

You go Arthur!  Let 'er rip.

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Wilf Day

New Liberal cabinet: how to get to gender parity.

 

Assume 26 members, 13 men, 13 women. But can he hold it down to 26? I agree 30 is more likely.

 

Newfoundland & Labrador: Yvonne Jones (former provincial cabinet minister, aboriginal)

 

Nova Scotia: Scott Brison, former Minister, or Geoff Regan (former minister)

 

PEI: Wayne Easter, former minister, or Lawrence MacAulay, former minister

 

New Brunswick: Dominic LeBlanc (star)

 

Quebec:

Stephane Dion (former minister)

Marc Garneau (star)

Jean-Yves Duclos (Quebec City; Director of the Department of Economics at Université Laval) or Denis Paradis (former minister, Monteregie-est/Estrie)

Alexandra Mendes (former MP, past president of the Liberal Party of Canada (Quebec)

Melanie Joly (lawyer, star candidate for Mayor of Montreal)

Anju Dhillon (female; first Canadian Sikh to practice law in Quebec courts).

 

Ontario:

Andrew Leslie (star) or Mauril Belanger (former minister) or David McGuinty

Bob Nault (Northern Ontario, former cabinet minister)

Bill Morneau (star) or John McCallum (former minister) or Bob Bratina (former Mayor of Hamilton)

Carolyn Bennett (former minister)

Judy Sgro (former minister)

Chrystia Freeland (star)

Kate Young (London, southwest Ontario, distinguished career in journalism and public relations)

Anita Vandenbeld (star)

Karen McCrimmon (star, first woman to command a Canadian Forces flying squadron.) or Kirsty Duncan

 

Manitoba: MaryAnn Mihychuk (former provincial minister)

 

Saskatchewan: Ralph Goodale (former minister)

 

Alberta:

Randy Boissonnault (Rhodes Scholar; Edmonton)

Darshan Kang (former MLA; Calgary)

 

BC:

Joyce Murray (former provincial minister)

Hedy Fry (former minister) or Jody Wilson-Raybould

Jonathan Wilkinson (Rhodes Scholar)

 

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Elections Canada confirms Liberal wins Edmonton seat over Tory incumbent

EDMONTON — A judicial recount in the riding of Edmonton Mill Woods has confirmed that Liberal Amarjeet Sohi won the seat.

Sohi got 92 votes more than Conservative incumbent Tim Uppal in the federal election on Oct. 19.

Initially, the vote total on election night showed Sohi beat Uppal by 80 votes, but a verification the next day reduced the margin by one.

After the judicial recount, Sohi's total votes were 20,423 and Uppal's were 20,331.

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2015/10/29/elections-canada-confirms-li...

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The Globe & Mail's reporter for Quebec, Daniel Leblanc, reports tonight that the Trudeau Cabinet is expected to have as many as *6* Quebec Ministers.

Sources also say that Trudeau will keep his pledge to have an equal number of women in the cabinet:

Quebec to be well represented in Trudeau cabinet

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/quebec-to-be-well-represent...

nicky

Bob Rae had gender balance in his cabinet 25 years ago. As I recall only about a third of his caucus was women, still a high figure for that era.
Unfortunately some of his weaker ministers were women. He may have done better not to have painted himself into a corner by adhering so strictly to gender balance.

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Although 6 is actually not out of proportion - population alone should warrant a quarter of the cabinet being from Quebec. That wasn't possible in the last govenrment, of course, since they only had a few Quebec mebers and those were, let'sd be hoenst, mostly duds. Sicne Montreal will likely have three ministers (Garneau, Dion, Joly) plus the PM, they'll need three more from the rest of Quebec (one from Quebec City - Duclos? and two from the regions, perhaps). 

Sean in Ottawa

There are a few Liberal promises I have no trouble with. Gender parity in cabinet is one.

I feel that this chatter saying that it will mean that it is harder for men to get into cabinet then women -- well, so what do you think this might mean? -- that it be easier to recruit women candidates in the future and hard to fill the chamber up with mostly men? Bring it on.

The argument that they cannot find enough women of quality to do half the cabinet in caucus? I disagree again. Only half of the elected women will make it. I have no doubt that the female side of the cabinet will be every bit as talented as the male side. I would also hope that the balance in power is also equal (as many senior ministers as men). Again I expect it will.

Really, this is one of those examples where affirmative action works. The very argument that women might consider it easier to get into cabinet in future just proves the point. Enforce it as affirmative action now and if it has effect on future candidates -- great -- then eventually you won't need to. The point of affirmative action is that it is a temproary policy until it is no longer needed. In my view it is needed and long overdue.

I did feel that the Liberals ought to have greater gender parity in candidates but with what they have elected -- way more people than required -- there is no excuse not to have gender parity in the cabinet. They could produce an all-female candidate (except Trudeau) and still put down more quality and talent than any Harper cabinet.

And given all the other difficult balances -- this is one of the easiest to do.

Yes, I think that Trudeau will go for parity -- he would be crazy not to. Don't tell me that this is not worthwhile -- the signal it sends alone is one most of us want to hear.

Now Trudeau can go for a time with a smaller cabinet and add more ministers later. This is not a problem but a smaller cabinet with gender parity is the right move and is what we should expect at the opening.

Let's not pretend that most of us would not expect the same from an NDP government -- even if it might be easier given the greater number of NDP candidates.

But this is not the place I would slam the Liberal party. I will cheer a more gender-representative cabinet as a silver lining in the cloud of defeat for the NDP. At least we get that. I am not going to look for a downside in Trudeau's promise to deliver a cabinet with gender parity when there simply isn't one.

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swallow wrote:

Although 6 is actually not out of proportion - population alone should warrant a quarter of the cabinet being from Quebec. That wasn't possible in the last govenrment, of course, since they only had a few Quebec mebers and those were, let'sd be hoenst, mostly duds. Sicne Montreal will likely have three ministers (Garneau, Dion, Joly) plus the PM, they'll need three more from the rest of Quebec (one from Quebec City - Duclos? and two from the regions, perhaps). 

Remember that this cabinet is expected to be only 28-30 people.  The Liberals say they are going to reduce the bloated 40-size cabinet that Harper had.

Denis Paradis is a possible Quebec Minister, having had prior experience during the Chrétien-Martin period.

Yes, I would assume that Duclos will be the Minister chosen for Quebec City.  The other Liberal MP elected in Quebec City, Joel Lightbound, is only in his early 30's and doesn't have the economic pedigree of Duclos.

The Liberals will presumably want more than one woman Minister from Quebec.  So who will be joining Joly who is from outside Montreal?

I suppose it could be Diane Lebouthillier from the Gaspésie.

Or former Quebec MNA Linda Lapointe? (Rivière-des-Mille-Îles).

Marie-Claude Bibeau (Compton—Stanstead) and Brenda Shanahan (Châteauguay—Lacolle) are also possibilities.

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I posted my guesses already. They'll need 3 or 4 women from Quebec to balance other provinces with no women, which is why I guessed Bibeau and not Paradis (hard to imagine 2 ministers from the Eastern Townships). 

6/30 = 20%, so I don't think 6 exactly over-represents Quebec. 

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The new cabinet may be only 28 rather than 30.

Plus with Trudeau you have a PM from Quebec + the 6 Ministers, so that increases the percentage further.

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NEW CABINET

So far we know it will be . . .

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Catherine McKenna (Ottawa Centre)

Maryam Monsef (Peterborough-Kawartha)

Chrystia Freeland (University-Rosedale)

Jody Wilson-Raybould (Vancouver Granville)

Melanie Joly (Ahuntsic)

Diane Lebouthillier (Gaspésie-I-D-L-M)

Marie-Claude Bibeau (Compton-Stanstead)

Jean-Yves Duclos (Quebec)

Dominic Leblanc (Beausejour)

Jim Carr (Winnnipeg South Centre)

Stephane Dion (St. Laurent)

Marc Garneau (NDG-Westmount)

Judy Foote (Bonavista-Burin-Trinity)

Jane Phillpot (Markham-Stouffville)

Judy Sgro (Humber River-Black Creek)

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Bill Morneau (Toronto Centre)

John McCallum (Markham-Thornhill)

Ralph Goodale (Regina-Wascana)

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Kent Hehr (Calgary Centre)

Carolyn Bennett (Toronto-St. Paul's)

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QUEBEC MINISTERS:

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Stéphane Dion,

Marc Garneau,

Mélanie Joly,

Diane Lebouthillier,

Marie-Claude Bibeau,

Jean-Yves Duclos

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https://twitter.com/RadioCanadaInfo/status/661924026928013312

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MANITOBA

Jim Carr

MaryAnn Mihychuk

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NORTH

Hunter Tootoo

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NOVA SCOTIA

Scott Brison (Treasury Board?)

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NORTHERN ONTARIO

Patty Hajdu

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Trudeau names Morneau to finance, Dion to foreign, Wilson-Raybould to justice

https://twitter.com/globeandmail/status/661934970798231552

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Chrystia Freeland will be minister in charge of international trade

https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/661935036862701568

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@MaryamMonsef becomes the first Canadian-Muslim minister.

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Notable snubs:

Andrew Leslie

Mark Holland

Bill Blair

 

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I don't know if Mark Holland was expected to be in cabinet.

Andrew Leslie, yes, I think was considered a strong rumour to be Defence Minister.

Perhaps Bill Blair as well.

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The Minister of Justice is Jody Wilson-Raybould. The first Aboriginal Justice Minister.

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Bonavista-Burin-Trinity MP Judy Foote is the Minister of Public Services and Procurement

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Justin Trudeau is Prime Minister

& Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs

& Minister of Youth

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Jody Wilson-Raybould is the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada.

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Lawrence MacAuley is the Minister of Agriculture & Agri-Food.

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Carolyn Bennett is the Minister of Indigenous and Northern Affairs.

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Ralph Goodale is Minister of Public Safety & Emergency Preparedness.

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Stéphane Dion is the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

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Judy Foote is the Minister of Public Services & Procurement.

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Marc Garneau is the new Minister of Transport.

(Rockets for everyone!, someone jokes!)

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John McCallum is Minister of Immigration, Refugees & Citizenship.

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The Honourable Jane Philpott, as Minister of Health

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Bardish Chagger selected as Minister of Small Business and Tourism.

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Canada's first Sikh commanding officer is now Minister of Defence:

Harjit Singh Sajjan

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Amarjeet Sohi, who narrowly won riding of #Edmonton-Mill Woods, named minister responsible for Infrastructure and Communities.

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The name of the Ministry of the Environment has been changed to Ministry of the Environment and Climate Change.

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedCanada/status/661940345362513920

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One thing to note, there are no ministers of this that and the other regional development agencies.

https://twitter.com/althiaraj/status/661940433640103936

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Diane Lebouthiller, ministre du Revenu national

https://twitter.com/LP_LaPresse/status/661943990229463041

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There are more women in Trudeau’s cabinet (15) than there were in Harper’s first caucus (14); five of them made PMSH’s cabinet

https://twitter.com/markusoff/status/661943893882216448

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Carla Qualtrough, MP for #Delta (#BC), is a lawyer and former Paralympian. New minister of Sport and Persons with Disabilities.

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/661943914027483140

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