Nov 13 - attacks in Paris (updated)

Whether or not a passport is or can be "pristeen" after an explosion has absolutely nothing to do with whether it is a fake. So what are you crowing about?

It was pretty obvious it was likely to be a fake. ISIS gets to further fan the flames , because the Islamaphobes will continuously recite the "fact" ad nauseum anyway.

NDPP wrote:

With the so-called 'Islamic State' (ISIS) emerging as being behind the attack, the question that remains is, who is behind ISIS itself?

The rise of ISIS was revealed as early as 2007 in interviews conducted by Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh in his 9-page report 'The Redirection'. The interviews revealed a plan to destabilise and overthrow the government of Syria through the use of sectarian extremists -

- more specifically, Al Qaeda -with the arms and funds laundered through America's oldest and staunchest regional ally,Saudi Arabia..."

Who is behind ISIS?

Good question.

The CIA?  Pentagon?  Military-industrial complex?

The war industry wants the 21st Century to be a long, drawn-out battle for decades to come between the West & the terrorist organizations, but without proof of such collaboration, it is very difficult to challenge the pro-war agenda.

The view from the Middle East:

Lebanon also had a terror attack a few days before Paris. Here is Hezb Sec Gen Hassan Nasrallah on both: (and vid)

http://thesaker.is/hezbollah-secretary-general-sayyad-hassan-nasrallah-s...

"The secretary general of Lebanese resistance movment Hezbollah says those who have supported ISIL are now finding out the extent of its brutality. Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah condemned the terrorist attacks in Paris and expressed solidarity with the French people. He also slammed Thurday's bombings in Beirut..."

President Bashar al Assad on Paris Attacks (Interview and vid)

http://thesaker.is/president-bashar-al-assad-on-paris-attacks-interview-...

What Preceded the Islamic State Attacks in France - Some Links

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/11/terror-attacks-in-france-some-relat...

After Paris Two Questions

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/11/after-paris-two-questions.html

1. What should be the response to the attacks in Paris?

2. What will be the response to the attacks in Paris?"

Paris: Who Made the Terror?  -  by Denis Rancourt

http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/11/paris-who-made-the-terror/

"With Paris, the home state is already exploiting the outcome of the terror...'

CrossTalk: Mourning the Victims

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/322247-mourning-victims-paris-attack/

"As we all grieve for Paris in the wake of the horrific terrorist attacks, some very hard and painful questions must be addressed..."

CrossTalking with Mark Sleboda, Dmitry Babich and John Laughland

An awful thing. More here:

Peterborough Mosque Set Ablaze in Suspected Hate Crime

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mosque-peterborough-fire-1.3320013

We're also expected to believe that the USA, UK, France, Israel, Canada,  etc, do not themselves constitute the most violent terrorist states the world has ever known.  Entire swaths of humanity, millions upon millions, where they haven't been exterminated outright, have been turned into refugees fleeing for their lives because of the terrorist policies and collective work of these cutthroat commercial enterprises, aka 'elected' western governments.  As always, it's innocent people from the four corners who are forced to suffer for the crimes of these purveyors of state terrorism.  All they offer us are warnings of more violence to come, due to the fact that their violent policies will not be altered one iota.  The entire history of Europe and the European settlement of North America, along with everywhere else, amounts to one long and unmitigated account of state terrorism, centuries upon centuries in the making.

NDPP wrote:

An awful thing. More here:

Peterborough Mosque Set Ablaze in Suspected Hate Crime

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mosque-peterborough-fire-1.3320013

Statement by Peterborough MP Maryam Monsef:

https://twitter.com/MaryamMonsef/status/665991269760544768/photo/1

Apparently after all these years since 9/11 they still got quite a hate on for our freedoms.

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And now Paris has suffered the sort of attacks that are familiar to Beirut or Russia. The big question is: What next? Will this fear cause people to wake up to reality and think clearly?

No I don't think there's any question of reality and clear thinking taking over from here.  Expect more irrational bigotry to reign, along with the continued erosion of those much ballyhooed, if not provisional freedoms they've let us have.

Saskatchewan Premier Wall Wants Trudeau To Suspend Syrian Refugee Plan

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/sask-premier-brad-wall-asks-feds...

Sastkatchewan Premier Brad Wall wants the federal government to suspend its plan to bring in 25,000 Syrian refugees by the end of the year. 'Surely we do not want to be date-driven or numbers driven in an endeavour that may affect the safety of our citizens and the security of our country.'

Several US governors are threatening to halt efforts to allow Syrian refugees into their states amid heightened concerns that terrorists might use the refugee process as cover to sneak across borders."

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What a clever idea. It's very important to ensure that no victims of the Daesh are given refuge. That'll show the Daesh.

It's consistent with ideas in circulation that say Canada should readily lend itself out to US led coalitions of the willing, who themselves have done what they could toward the creation of yet another flood of refugees, but wash it's hands of the after-effects.  Essentially doubling down on cruelty.

From Emmanuelle Latravers of Radio-Canada:

Trudeau sur refugiés: "je comprends inquiétude des gens mais ça ne change pas notre croyance ferme que Canada doit en faire plus"

English Translation:

Trudeau on refugees: "I understand people's concern but it does not change our firm belief that Canada must do more"

https://twitter.com/elatraverse/status/666264594139230208

The governors don't have the authority to do that. The most they could do would be not to cooperate with the Feds.

alan smithee wrote:

Who the fuck does Brad Wall think he is? King of Saskachikan? Shut up and fuck off.

I think he has a point.

Bringing in 25'000 refugees in a month is irresponsible.  We need more time to figure out how to process them. 6000 a week poses both a health risk and a security risk.

Where are we going to put them all? Are we going to evict Canadian citizens out of their homes and put them in tents in order to house the refugees like we did with the 5000 refugees from Kosovo?  What kindof security are we going to have?  Are we going to pay police over time? Hire security guards? Order soldiers to cancel their Christmas vacation in order to watch them? Will they be armed?

The government is so horny to get them here they aren't thinking about all the little things.

The Liberals made that promise without thinking and now they have to go through with it or else lose face.

Paladin1 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Who the fuck does Brad Wall think he is? King of Saskachikan? Shut up and fuck off.

 

I think he has a point.

Bringing in 25'000 refugees in a month is irresponsible.  We need more time to figure out how to process them. 6000 a week poses both a health risk and a security risk.

Where are we going to put them all? Are we going to evict Canadian citizens out of their homes and put them in tents in order to house the refugees like we did with the 5000 refugees from Kosovo?  What kindof security are we going to have?  Are we going to pay police over time? Hire security guards? Order soldiers to cancel their Christmas vacation in order to watch them? Will they be armed?

The government is so horny to get them here they aren't thinking about all the little things.

The Liberals made that promise without thinking and now they have to go through with it or else lose face.

And if he wants to express that point he should become an MP. Until then he should shut up and know his place---which is in a wheat field.

Paladin1 wrote:

The government is so horny to get them here they aren't thinking about all the little things.

The Liberals made that promise without thinking and now they have to go through with it or else lose face.

The government is "horny" to get them here?  You sound like a right-winger when you talk like that.

And the Premiers of Quebec, Ontario & BC said today that they are committed to carrying through with the refugee assistance.

Premier Couillard in particular should be given credit for saying he is not going to be intimidated into backing down from his pledge to help settle the refugees.

I'm sure a lot of refugees are going to be saying "good thing I brought my pickup truck!!"

Only When We See The War Criminals In Our Midst Will The Blood Begin To Dry  -  by John Pilger

http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/11/only-when-we-see-the-war-criminals-in-...

"...Last year, the former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas revealed that 'two years before the Arab spring,' he was told in London that a war on Syria was planned.

'I am going to tell you something,' he said in an interview with the French TV channel LPC, 'I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. 'Britain was organising an invasion of rebels into Syria...Their operation goes way back. It was prepared, preconceived and planned.'

The only effective opponents of ISIS are accredited demons of the West - Syria, Iran, Hezbollah. They only obstacle is Turkey, an 'ally' and a member of NATO, which has conspired with the CIA, MI6 and the Gulf medievalists to channel support to the Syrian 'rebels', including those now calling themselves ISIS.

Supporting Turkey in its long-held ambition for regional dominance by overthrowing the Assad government beckons a major conventional war and the horrific dismemberment of the most ethnically diverse state in the Middle East. A truce - however difficult to achieve - is the only way out of this imperial maze; otherwise the beheadings will continue.

Together with a truce, there should be an immediate cessation of all shipments of war materials to Israel and recognition of the State of Palestine. The issue of Palestine is the region's most festering open wound, and the off-stated justification for the rise of Islamic extremism.

Only when we recognize the war criminals in our midst will the blood begin to dry."

Some Questions For Obama and His Gang   -   by Christopher Black

http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/16/some-questions-for-obama-and-his-gang/

"...We know that no one is safe from your criminality and depravity. From what crime have you ever abstained? When we ask the first question in any criminal investigation, who benefits from these attacks on civilians, then it is you who fall in line, one after the other, as the prime and usual suspects."

Debater wrote:

 

The government is "horny" to get them here?  You sound like a right-winger when you talk like that.

I didn't think horny was synonymous with being right-wing.  I couldn't think of a better word highlighting a spur of the moment decision without thinking of the consiquences.

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And the Premiers of Quebec, Ontario & BC said today that they are committed to carrying through with the refugee assistance.

Premier Couillard in particular should be given credit for saying he is not going to be intimidated into backing down from his pledge to help settle the refugees.

That's some tough talk on their parts but did they by chance answer any of the questions I asked?

How France Must Retaliate Against Terrorism, Cut the ISIS Supply Lines Crossing the Syrian-Turkish Border Between Jerablus and Aleppo, Quickly Destroy the Islamic State and Bring the War in Syria and Iraq to an End

http://tarpley.net/how-france-must-retaliate-against-terrorism-cut-the-i...

Webster Tarpley analyzes the Paris attacks and related geopolitical developments

Thank goodness people like Harper and Bush are no longer in charge as if their policies produced any meaningful solutions.

Fearing Fear Itself

Like millions of people, I’ve been obsessively following the news from Paris, putting aside other things to focus on the horror. It’s the natural human reaction. But let’s be clear: it’s also the reaction the terrorists want. And that’s something not everyone seems to understand.

Take, for example, Jeb Bush’s declaration that “this is an organized attempt to destroy Western civilization.” No, it isn’t. It’s an organized attempt to sow panic, which isn’t at all the same thing. And remarks like that, which blur that distinction and make terrorists seem more powerful than they are, just help the jihadists’ cause.

Think, for a moment, about what France is and what it represents. It has its problems — what nation doesn’t? — but it’s a robust democracy with a deep well of popular legitimacy. Its defense budget is small compared with ours, but it nonetheless retains a powerful military, and has the resources to make that military much stronger if it chooses. (France’s economy is around 20 times the size of Syria’s.) France is not going to be conquered by ISIS, now or ever. Destroy Western civilization? Not a chance.

So what was Friday’s attack about? Killing random people in restaurants and at concerts is a strategy that reflects its perpetrators’ fundamental weakness. It isn’t going to establish a caliphate in Paris. What it can do, however, is inspire fear — which is why we call it terrorism, and shouldn’t dignify it with the name of war.

The point is not to minimize the horror. It is, instead, to emphasize that the biggest danger terrorism poses to our society comes not from the direct harm inflicted, but from the wrong-headed responses it can inspire. And it’s crucial to realize that there are multiple ways the response can go wrong.

It would certainly be a very bad thing if France or other democracies responded to terrorism with appeasement — if, for example, the French were to withdraw from the international effort against ISIS in the vain hope that jihadists would leave them alone. And I won’t say that there are no would-be appeasers out there; there are indeed some people determined to believe that Western imperialism is the root of all evil, and all would be well if we stopped meddling.

But real-world examples of mainstream politicians, let alone governments, knuckling under to terrorist demands are hard to find. Most accusations of appeasement in America seem to be aimed at liberals who don’t use what conservatives consider tough enough language.

A much bigger risk, in practice, is that the targets of terrorism will try to achieve perfect security by eliminating every conceivable threat — a response that inevitably makes things worse, because it’s a big, complicated world, and even superpowers can’t set everything right. On 9/11 Donald Rumsfeld told his aides: “Sweep it up. Related and not,” and immediately suggested using the attack as an excuse to invade Iraq. The result was a disastrous war that actually empowered terrorists, and set the stage for the rise of ISIS.

And let’s be clear: this wasn’t just a matter of bad judgment. Yes, Virginia, people can and do exploit terrorism for political gain, including using it to justify what they imagine will be a splendid, politically beneficial little war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/opinion/fearing-fear-itself.html?actio...

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Who is behind ISIS?

Good question.

The CIA?  Pentagon?  Military-industrial complex?

If you were to ask ISIS, what do you suppose they'd say?

1. CIA

2. Pentagon

3. Military-industrial complex

4. Allah

??

 

5. The members of ISIS?

Paladin, we don't have refugees massing at our borders that we then try to identify. We are drawing refugees from UN camps. We can focus on families with young children, single mothers, and family reunification. This substantially reduces the risk of terrorists using it as a means of getting into the country.

As many are currently living in tents, living on military bases will be an improvement which will likely be a first stop for many of them before they are disbursed to communities.

from voltairenet.org...

Did the leadership of France over successive regimes enter into secret agreements with the terrorist movements which implicated them?

That the attacks were consequence of the betrayal attempts?

That the secret forces within France and NATO involved in these agreements betrayed by the French leadership backpedaling, engage in support of the Paris attack?

What does this imply for Canada? Who clearly have likewise engaged through Harper´s regime in such secret agreements!

Massive French Crowd Forces Anti-Refugee Racists to Retreat

Even after a senseless massacre that left over 150 civilians dead, Parisians are choosing compassion over blind hatred, and are willing to go toe-to-toe with racists spouting anti-Islamic rhetoric.

At a silent vigil today for victims of the attacks in downtown Paris, a group of racists holding a banner calling for the expulsion of Muslims was forced to retreat by a much larger crowd of several hundred, chanting “Fascists go home!” Eventually, the Islamophobic protesters were forced across the street. After taking back the square, the large crowd of mourners began singing France’s national anthem, Le Marseillaise. Watch a video of the confrontation here: