Neutralizing Jihadist Terrorism and Bill C-51

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Slumberjack

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
...you still deny Russia supplied the Pro Russian rebels in Ukraine with tanks (and lied about it) even after pictures and video proved it.

Well, if NATO can train fascist battalions in Western Ukraine, which happens to be the homeland and birthplace for Ukrainian style fascism, then I don't see why the defence forces of the Russian speaking east have to go it alone.

Justin_Thyme

Slumberjack wrote:

That goes doubly for discussions with fascists.  Terrorism just doesn't occur in a vacuum.  

First, you win the cigar. Thank you for being my 100'th post.

Second, I DO know how to recognize a fascist. First and foremost, every fascist calls everyone ELSE a fascist. They throw the term around indiscriminately. They are so extreme, normal people are so far away from their beliefs. Thus, to them, normal people have extreme beliefs, so the fascist labels 'normal' as fascist.

Third, do you actually KNOW a person who has been radicalized? I knew Zak for four years, before radicalization. I saw the process. Yes, they DO wake up some morning, now wanting to kill someone. The build-up is slow, but when they snap, it is sudden, profouund, and absolute. After he was convicted, and spent time in prison, he was rehabilitated and could then talk about the process. He now knows what happened to him, and wishes he had never been part of the process. When 'radicalized terrorists' rehabilitate back again, they do so equally as dramatic as the original conversion.

That is what Harper doesn't want anyone to know. That so-called 'radicalized terrorists' can be rehabilitated. They don't have to be killed or bombed into submission. That is a product of his 'only eternal punishment for their evil will suffice' ideology. He just doesn't believe in rehabilitation.

Slumberjack

Justin_Thyme wrote:
Second, I DO know how to recognize a fascist.

That doesn't appear to be the case.  If we're using the merger of state and corporate power as a definition for Fascism, you are in favour of using the resources and the violence of the state to protect corporate violence around the world from any blowback that might occur at home.  You want corporate violence to have a free pass by imposing secret, intrusive surveillance countermeasures upon the entire population.  This is fascism by any logical definition.  You're in favour of dictatorial measures against the population to protect the massive crimes against humanity being inflicted by the western military industrial complex around the world.  You can attempt to squirm out of it all you want, but you are hoisted by your own petard.  In short, you need help.

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Third, do you actually KNOW a person who has been radicalized? I knew Zak for four years, before radicalization. I saw the process. Yes, they DO wake up some morning, now wanting to kill someone. The build-up is slow, but when they snap, it is sudden, profouund, and absolute.

You still have not addressed what initiates the process of radicalization.  It does not occur by itself, no matter what you would like people to think.  You are not going to be successful in separating the growth of radical reaction from the globalized radicalism of corporate state capitalism, which is fascism.  A fascist procession doesn't always have to march wearing black or brown shirts in torch light parades.  Quite often they arrive by chauffeur on Parliament Hill wearing the latest fashions, or they show up on message boards to extol the virtues of tactics Reinhard Heydrich pioneered with his creation of colour coded index cards on everyone.

Also, in reading through your stuff, you don't seem to have a clue.  You're like an empty vessel into which the most repulsive reactionary nostrums of the fascist security state have been dumped.  Maybe you are better off to continue peddling your wares in that fascist shithole otherwise known as the CBC message boards.

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