Who thinks this will happen very soon?
Will Turkey invade Syria?
Thu, 2015-07-02 22:11
#1
Will Turkey invade Syria?
Thu, 2015-07-02 23:37
#2
Have they been threatening to?
Thu, 2015-07-02 23:44
#3
There are rumours of 50,000 plus Turk troops amassing on the Syrian border. It's a reasonable possibility, but it's hard to say for sure.
Thu, 2016-01-21 10:38
#4
from Southfront....
There are growing indications that Turkey is preparing a ground invasion in Syria. The Turks are determined to make the so-called “buffer zone” stretching along the Syrian side of the Turkey-Syria border. It’s clear that Erdogan needs this zone to defend supply lines of the Ankara-backed terrorist groups and the oil smuggling business. It would also prevent the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) from expanding their reach westward....
...so is this to be the start of the next major nuclear conflagration? To support Turkey`s right to stop the movement of Kurdish peoples to autonmy?
Thu, 2016-01-21 10:47
#5
Well looks like China is starting to play too.
http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/pentagon-stunned-as-thousands-of-chinese-troops-enter-isis-war/
5000 Special Forces members heading into the Levant.
Thu, 2016-01-21 12:42
#6
Well looks like China is starting to play too.
http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/pentagon-stunned-as-thousands-of-chinese-troops-enter-isis-war/
5000 Special Forces members heading into the Levant.
I would interpret it as the US's method of furthering it's longstanding PNAC plans for the conquest of Syria and using Turkey for the provocation to start it is their method. Russia will likely stand it's ground and now this is China's change from the hands-off approach. Russia, China, and Iran will now stand their ground to stop further US expansion of their wars in the ME.
We've known for quite a while that Russia and China have had enough and were ready to draw a line in the sand. It's the necessary move to finally bring some sort of peace to the ME.
Thu, 2016-01-21 15:59
#7
This is likely disinformation. The Chinese have repeatedly said they wouldn't involve themselves in this way, nor can I find any corroboration for it in either the Chinese or Russian press.
Thu, 2016-01-21 17:55
#8
This is likely disinformation. The Chinese have repeatedly said they wouldn't involve themselves in this way, nor can I find any corroboration for it in either the Chinese or Russian press.
No, it looks like it's for real but it's military exercises. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNialNqmFh0
Larry Kudlow and his hawks friends make a big deal out of it. It's a demonization of Russia, China, and Iran for taking a stand against the US planned wars on Syria and then Iran.. Ties in nicely too with the Riverine boats spying mission or provocation, whatever it turns out to be. Gotta be one or the other.
Russia, China, and Iran's intent is to protect their interests and save their asses from US aggression. It's up to the US to escalate it into WW3.
Sun, 2016-01-24 13:44
#9
ikosmos
Let's be clear. The Russian role in Syria is legitimated by the decision of the Syrian government to invite them to help fight Daesh. The presence of other armies - whether Daesh terrorists or allied state terrorists from Turkey, USA, or Canada - is (basically) a war crime.
Sun, 2016-01-24 13:55
#10
Let's be clear. The Russian role in Syria is legitimated by the decision of the Syrian government to invite them to help fight Daesh. The presence of other armies - whether Daesh terrorists or allied state terrorists from Turkey, USA, or Canada - is (basically) a war crime.
It's hard to imagine a peace agreement unless the US has been allowed to stack the deck (negotiating table) in it's favour. There is just no way the US is going to give up it's PNAC goals for wars on both Syria and then Iran.
However, on the positive side, Obama has been able to throw a monkey wrench into the works. First with his 'red line' speech which was an obvious invitation for Putin to present an initiative that answered Obama's demands completely. The US hawks were snookered!!
Then with Obama bringing the US completely onside with the object of finding an agreement with Iran on it's nuclear program. The rest of the world couldn't have done it without the major player of course. And the proof we have of Obama throwing a wrench into the works is how much screaming and gnashing of teeth we heard from the US hawks, both on the R side and the D side.
Obama's damage (really magic) may have been done and therefore the US won't be able to stop peace from coming. These current actions can be explained as being a last ditch effort to bring a US led war to Syria. Even as Russia stands tall with it's MAD deterrent.
Everything will again be full steam ahead with their wars after the end of Obama's term. If the US can somehow prevent peace from messing it up before Clinton gets a chance at war.
Sun, 2016-01-24 13:56
#11
ikosmos
The foreign policy establishment of the US regime - including the present, lame duck one - is almost completely dominated by neo-con warmongers. You are giving far too much credit to a regime that, while some elements conflict with others over foreign policy goals, is so dominated.
The POTUS is, to a large degree, a hood ornament on a runaway freight train. Don't be distracted by the noisy chirping from the front locomotive. Look at where the juggernaut is headed.
Sun, 2016-01-24 13:59
#12
Let's be clear. The Russian role in Syria is legitimated by the decision of the Syrian government to invite them to help fight Daesh. The presence of other armies - whether Daesh terrorists or allied state terrorists from Turkey, USA, or Canada - is (basically) a war crime.
Yes, Russia is perfectly legitimate in Syria and that's most important because it can be seen in the eyes of the world and the UN as being on the side of right. Not that that has ever stopped the US in the past. Maybe the US's best chance of getting on the right side would be to cause some kind of skirmish with the apartheid state/Syrian border? Syria would be automatically on the side of wrong and the problem would be solved for the US.
Sun, 2016-01-24 14:04
#13
ikosmos
Amidst a almost total western media blackout, Turkey and the US have initiated a military invasion in Syrian territory. On Wednesday evening, the Turkish army reportedly entered Syrian territory near Jarablus. US troops took control of Rmeilan airfield in Syria’s northern province of Hasakah. It’s unclear what are the real objectives for western military operations on Syrian soil According to the latest news, a major Turkish intervention is expected.
The fact that Webgear is posting here means the author of the thread has hit too close to home. Well done.
US and Turkey invade Syria. Western MSMedia says nothing much at all.
Don't forget there has been much talked about around the upcoming "negotiations" that include all the US, Turkish and Gulf monarchies puppet armies, etc. so this may be seen as simply trying to change facts on the ground in the run-up to the negotiations.
I expect if the negotiations don't go their way, the USA will "accidently" bomb Damascus. Maybe hit the Chinese Embassy. Again. The Americans are using some local puppet Kurds to legitimate their nefarious activities. It's very handy to put a pretty face on some very ugly actions.
What is also interesting is how the Turkish troops faced ZERO resistance from (their allies) Daesh or IS fighters. Buddy buddy.
“Eyewitnesses to the incursion reported that the Turkish forces have not encountered any resistance from ISIS fighters in the area. These reports once again raise the question of possible collaboration between Turkey and ISIS aimed at halting the advance of the Kurdish militias in north Syria.”
These forces seem to be interchangeable. What's the term the NATO jackboot regimes use? Interoperable. Like Canadian and US troops. The aim of all of them is the same ... to overthrow the legitimate and elected Syrian goverment. And all the useful idiots will cheer them on.
Supplemental: and the "Opposition" Parties support all this criminality. No wonder Canada has shit for a peace movement. Such a movement, however, could really help the cause of peace.
Ottawa is lucky to have carte blanche, more or less, in working out the subtleties of its desired intervention in Iraq and Syria. The two large opposition parties in Parliament support military intervention in the Middle East, differing only on how that should be done. Meanwhile, antiwar forces are weak and marginalized. Years of confusion over the regime change agenda of the imperialist countries in Africa and the Middle East (Mali, Libya, Egypt, Syria) combined now with utter disarray in the face of the anti-Russia drive of NATO have left antiwar forces marginalized.
Annis is right but it's also true that many so-called left/progressive elements simply lap up the NATO Russophobia like a puppy dog at his bowl. Oblivious.
Sun, 2016-01-24 14:07
#14
The foreign policy establishment of the US regime - including the present, lame duck one - is almost completely dominated by neo-con warmongers. You are giving far too much credit to a regime that, while some elements conflict with others over foreign policy goals, is so dominated.
The POTUS is, to a large degree, a hood ornament on a runaway freight train. Don't be distracted by the noisy chirping from the front locomotive. Look at where the juggernaut is headed.
I hear you. There is hardly anything that will stop the US. But I want you to look at facts as they happened and you will have to come to the understanding that Putin's initiative for Assad to get rid of his chem/bio weapons was just too obvious an invitation to Obama that it can't be spun any other way.
Additionally, consider that Assad really didn't need or even want his chem/bio weapons and most likely wasn't even using them. The reason why I say that is because it's the same US provocation for war as we saw for Iraq. WMD's to justify war when the weapone didn't exist. In this case, were supposedly being used by Assad to slaughter his people, which is easily enought jusfification in the eyes of the world to jusfify war.
Obama knew what he was getting himself into. My hunch is that Obama could have possibly talked the whole thing over with Putin well before his 'red line' speech. Obama was quite knowingly giving away his country's only validity to go to war with Syria.
And Obama allowing his country to be pulled into the Iran talks which delegitimized the US's planned war, is more proof for the pudding!
Sun, 2016-01-24 14:24
#15
Well looks like China is starting to play too.
http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/pentagon-stunned-as-thousands-of-chinese-troops-enter-isis-war/
5000 Special Forces members heading into the Levant.
This story is false, and has been circulating for about 4 weeks. All versions say, "the Kremlin have announced..." And, "the Pentagon is stunned". Sounds like a conversation between two buildings.
Sun, 2016-01-24 14:28
#16
Well looks like China is starting to play too.
http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/pentagon-stunned-as-thousands-of-chinese-troops-enter-isis-war/
5000 Special Forces members heading into the Levant.
This story is false, and has been circulating for about 4 weeks. All versions say, "the Kremlin have announced..." And, "the Pentagon is stunned". Sounds like a conversation between two buildings.
It's not false, it's just that the US has spun it as something that it's not and you bought into it. All it is is war games and it is 100% happening, or has happened, one or the other. Check out some news that tell the facts for once.
Sun, 2016-01-24 14:28
#17
The fact that Webgear is posting here means the author of the thread has hit too close to home. Well done.
Laughing, you flatter me. I just posted a link from a news source stating that China is getting more involved in Syria.
It is just a random article that I came across. I didn't say it was true or false, I was just letting other people decide if it is accurate or not.
Here are another few articles along the same time.
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1896591/beijings-ini...
http://in.rbth.com/world/2016/01/19/china-not-to-enter-syrian-war_560275
Sun, 2016-01-24 14:34
#18
It appears that China is trying to be an honest broker and trying to resolve the civil war in Syria.
Here is link to thier official government website.
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/wjb/eng_search.jsp
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_662805/t1328226.shtml
Sun, 2016-01-24 14:36
#19
It's not false, it's just that the US has spun it as something that it's not and you bought into it.
"The US" has spun it? Great. Now we have "the Kremlin", "the Pentagon", and "the US". Any other solid sources, or does that about cover it?
All it is is war games and it is 100% happening, or has happened, one or the other.
Happening, has happened, will happen, might happen, all good! Thanks.
Check out some news that tell the facts for once.
Why? Facts are boring. That's why I come here!
Sun, 2016-01-24 15:02
#20
Let's be clear. The Russian role in Syria is legitimated by the decision of the Syrian government to invite them to help fight Daesh. The presence of other armies - whether Daesh terrorists or allied state terrorists from Turkey, USA, or Canada - is (basically) a war crime.
Posted this already in another thread, but since 'legality' has come up, yes, Russia is at present, the only outside entity operating within the parameters of interntional law and the UN. As for the others, including Canada...
Reflections on the Paris ISIS Meeting: Talks Filled with Sinful Crime - by Christopher Black
http://journal-neo.org/2016/01/24/reflections-on-the-paris-isis-talks-fi...
Might be a good idea to send this piece on the International Law off to your MP since the concept of criminal conspiracy and international law seems likely to once again be excluded from the orbital discussions likely to begin tomorrow...
Sun, 2016-01-24 15:10
#21
Let's be clear. The Russian role in Syria is legitimated by the decision of the Syrian government to invite them to help fight Daesh. The presence of other armies - whether Daesh terrorists or allied state terrorists from Turkey, USA, or Canada - is (basically) a war crime.
Posted this already in another thread, but since 'legality' has come up, yes, Russia is at present, the only outside entity operating within the parameters of interntional law and the UN. As for the others, including Canada...
Reflections on the Paris ISIS Meeting: Talks Filled with Sinful Crime - by Christopher Black
http://journal-neo.org/2016/01/24/reflections-on-the-paris-isis-talks-fi...
Might be a good idea to send this piece on the International Law off to your MP since the concept of criminal conspiracy and international law seems likely to once again be excluded from the orbital discussions likely to begin tomorrow...
The international law issue is a good shot in the dark NDPP. But to start with, saying that is as much as saying that Russia is within the law, which it obviously is, and who has the courage to say that?
If the NDP did it, it would immediately restore my faith. I know they have some good guys because hey, they're the NDP and they always have. And wow, what a direction it would give them if that became their main thrust to out perform Trudeau!