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NDP - not just about the leader
Mon, 2016-04-11 17:34
#1
NDP - not just about the leader
Wed, 2016-04-13 15:11
#2
Multiple posters have pointed out that the NDP isn't just all about the leader.
Here's the guy the NDP needs writing speeches:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-lewis-speech-at-ndp-convention-1...
Lewis can tell a truth like an axe splitting firewood....
Lewis brutally undressed the $15-billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia negotiated under Stephen Harper and now protected by Justin Trudeau.
Lewis began by describing Saudi Arabia's current war in Yemen as "the wholesale and indiscriminate slaughter of civilian populations. … It's also a country where beheadings of dissidents rivals the madness of ISIL.… We're talking about a regime whose hands are drenched in blood."
All objectively true.
He then addressed Canadian law:
"We're not supposed to be sending armaments to countries that have a 'persistent record of serious violations of the human rights of their citizens.' Saudi Arabia is the embodiment of the meaning of the word 'violations.' And the government of Canada refuses to release its so-called assessment of the human rights situation in Saudi Arabia. So much for the newly minted policy of transparency."
Again, all fact, except for the last sentence, which is not an unreasonable conclusion.
As for the Trudeau government's claim (echoed by Mulcair) that such a contract, once signed, cannot be cancelled, Lewis asked:
"What do you mean you can't break the contract? What you mean is that you won't break the contract, and with the greatest respect, that's just nonsensical claptrap. As is the proposition that if we pull out, others will fill the gap.… Well, let them. What kind of twisted logic is it that says we should cozy up to murderers because if we don't, others will?"
He capped it off by pointing out that Justin Trudeau — "it's a huge pleasure to have a prime minister who unselfconsciously calls himself a feminist" — is selling weapons to a regime "steeped in misogyny."
Well. All righty, then.
Wed, 2016-04-13 16:15
#3
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/04/12/has-the-ndp-become-...
These issues do matter. The only issue that really matters, though, is one that is out of the reach of even the most level-headed of New Democrats. This, effectively, is that a second NDP now exists.
It’s the Liberal party. Its leader, Justin Trudeau, may well be the most popular that Canadians have ever had — Wilfrid Laurier as his nearest equivalent.
Its policies — from a gender-equal cabinet to bringing in thousands of refugees in contrast to the stinginess of the preceding government — have caused Canadians in huge numbers to accept the proposition that, “Canada is back.”
As goes without saying, mistakes will be made. This year’s deficit will be $30 billion not the $10 billion promised in the election. Trudeau’s charm sometimes hardens into self-serving conceit.
The fact remains that this government after six months of intense activity during which no serious blunders have been made, has achieved this record even though its prime minister is new and young and its cabinet filled by ministers of whom only a handful have had any experience of so responsible a task.
For the NDP to carve out a niche for itself in such an environment will be exceedingly difficult.
It has come as a surprise to me that so many, even Chantal Hebert, are suggesting there is no room left of the Liberals when there is so obviously plenty of room. Maybe they mean "electable" room but even that is a hell of a proclamation to make.
Wed, 2016-04-13 16:24
#4
Quit spamming the board with duplicate threads, please.
Wed, 2016-04-13 16:42
#5
How is this a duplicate thread?
Wed, 2016-04-13 16:44
#6
How is this a duplicate thread?
LMAOROF
Wed, 2016-04-13 17:21
#7
How is this a duplicate thread?
LMAOROF
Thanks for the reply, krop. You took the acronym right out of my mouth.
I'm off to open a new thread: "Should the new interim NDP leader become the next permanent leader, contrary to usual tradition, and should there be something between a 1-person and a collective leadership, or not?" I don't feel that's being adequately addressed by the existing threads.
Wed, 2016-04-13 17:23
#8
It does serve to deflect traffic away from threads to discuss Trudeau and his support for pipelines, temporary foreign workers and corporate trade with China.
Wed, 2016-04-13 20:30
#9
How is this a duplicate thread?
LMAOROF
Thanks for the reply, krop. You took the acronym right out of my mouth.
I'm off to open a new thread: "Should the new interim NDP leader become the next permanent leader, contrary to usual tradition, and should there be something between a 1-person and a collective leadership, or not?" I don't feel that's being adequately addressed by the existing threads.
The thread is not about who should lead the party. In my first post I referred to who should write speeches not who the leader of the party is.
I went back and bolded the part CRITICAL of TRUDEAU.
In the second post I referenced pundits who are saying there is no room left of the Liberals which I find surprising because I think there is lots of room to the left of the Liberals.
I rarely start threads. There is no danger of Trudeau bash threads disappearing from the top of the active list. The Trudeau/EE is boring because there is no actual news in it but I am not interfering with anyone who wants to post in it. I'm just not posting in it myself. Is that the problem? You need me there?
If you aren't interested in a thread don't post in it but that isn't really why you came to this thread at all. You are self-entitled men who need to swagger around and puff up your egos by passing judgement over other posters.
Wed, 2016-04-13 21:50
#10
If you aren't interested in a thread don't post in it ...
Slightly wrong. I'm interested in KILLING this thread.
You are self-entitled men...
"Self-entitled"? Let me lend you a buck to buy a dictionary. I haven't entitled myself. Whatever that means. Are you suggesting that your foolish thread is feminist in nature?
... who need to swagger around and puff up your egos by passing judgement over other posters.
Indeed. I need to swagger around. I need to puff up my ego. You got me!!! And I'm passing judgment on you right now. Guilty as charged. Adjourned pending sentencing. Bail, denied.
Wed, 2016-04-13 22:10
#11
swallow
How is this a duplicate thread?
[url]http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/ndp-should-consider-collective...
Wed, 2016-04-13 22:12
#12
If you aren't interested in a thread don't post in it ...
Slightly wrong. I'm interested in KILLING this thread.
You are self-entitled men..."Self-entitled"? Let me lend you a buck to buy a dictionary. I haven't entitled myself. Whatever that means. Are you suggesting that your foolish thread is feminist in nature?
... who need to swagger around and puff up your egos by passing judgement over other posters.Indeed. I need to swagger around. I need to puff up my ego. You got me!!! And I'm passing judgment on you right now. Guilty as charged. Adjourned pending sentencing. Bail, denied.
No this is not a feminist thread nor are you criticizing it because I am female although that might sway your behavior. Only you know the answer to that.
You think it is your right to decide which threads die. Threads that no one is interested in die a natural death. If the mods consider a thread done they close it.How is it your business to prevent other posters from having any discussion they please to? From where do you derive that authority? That is what makes your behavior patriarchal.
If you aren't interested in a particular topic all you have to do is stay out of it.
Wed, 2016-04-13 22:18
#13
No this is not a feminist thread nor are you criticizing it because I am female although that might sway your behavior. Only you know the answer to that.
You called me a self-entitled man. I'm also a Jew, and a worker. Want to include those elements of my identity in your gratuitous insults?
You think it is your right to decide which threads die.
Yes. I decide. I am the Lord, thy God.
Threads that no one is interested in die a natural death.
When it comes to threads like this bullshit one, I am a proponent of Unionist-assisted dying. For mine is the Kingdom, and the Glory.
If the mods consider a thread done they close it.How is it your business to prevent other posters from having any discussion they please to?
I told you. I am the Lord, thy God. Pay attention.
From where do you derive that authority? That is what makes your behavior patriarchal.
My behaviour is theological. I offered you a loan for that dictionary. This is a time-limited offer.
If you aren't interested in a particular topic all you have to do is stay out of it.
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Wed, 2016-04-13 22:20
#14
swallow
If you aren't interested in a particular topic all you have to do is stay out of it.
He is very interested in the topic, that is why he opened an active thread on it. You do see the linked duplicate thread, don't you?
U, I suggest you do the usual thing and e-mail the moderators asking them to close duplicate thread.
Wed, 2016-04-13 22:23
#15
Well I am helping you out in the thread you started unnecessarily Unionist.
http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/ndp-should-consider-collective...
Wed, 2016-04-13 22:30
#16
How is this a duplicate thread?
[url]http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/ndp-should-consider-collective...
This thread was never about the leader of the NDP. I started it particularly to NOT talk about the leadership collective or otherwise.
My original point was to illustrate what I thought of as a successful attack against Trudeau as opposed to the weakness of most attacks. The Trudeau pushing EE thread for example has no meat. That means it's preaching to the converted.
Thu, 2016-04-14 06:35
#17
Ok.
Thu, 2016-04-14 15:00
#18
nice looking buffalo.
