Turkey: Coup d'état

The explosion from the link you provided appears to be from a standard military ordnance device, I am going to disagree with your link and say that wasn’t a nuclear explosion.....

........okay but if it was, it must have been a very powerful agency behind the coup....hmm, now why has the Erdogan Government just closed their airforce base and accusing the US of being behind or supporting the coup.....

I must be thick ... But exactly why would Obama and Kerry come out with official statements supporting Erdogan? Someone who built himself a billion-dollar presidential palace, has refused to speak with the Kurds and instead prefers to simply kill them and who has now removed over 2700 judges from their positions? These are the acts of a despot, a dictator, yet he has Obama's support? What exactly am I missing here? I understand the importance of the US military base in Turkey (not to mention access to the Bosphorus Strait) but still ...

JohnInAlberta wrote:

I must be thick ... But exactly why would Obama and Kerry come out with official statements supporting Erdogan? Someone who built himself a billion-dollar presidential palace, has refused to speak with the Kurds and instead prefers to simply kill them and who has now removed over 2700 judges from their positions? These are the acts of a despot, a dictator, yet he has Obama's support? What exactly am I missing here? I understand the importance of the US military base in Turkey (not to mention access to the Bosphorus Strait) but still ...

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

This is a rumour but a juicy rumour.  This is being repeated on #turkey

 

#Turkey's #Incirlik base used to organise & support coup.Tanker planes from Incirlik refueled the jets used in the coup attempt

 

I could not find any confrimination in any press.

Kerry was on CNN this morning.  He spoke to the above issue and acknowleged that this the reason that the airbase was cutoff. The moderator provided new information.  All bases in turkey(or 5 bases I can not remebmer but airport situation is not a one off) that have an american presence have been cutoff, if the cnn moderator is telling the truth. 

The pilot who shot down the Russian plane last year was part of the coup and has been killed. What are the chances!

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160718/1043180237/emergency-measures-ista...

Emergency measures have been taken in Turkey's Istanbul, as 1,800 additional police troops were deployed in the city and ordered to shoot down helicopters without prior warning, local media reported on Monday, citing a police source.

 

Things are not yet over.

Twitter nothing official yet. but Pro #Erdogan supporters terrorizing #Turkey by many massacre and lynch attempts towards leftists & minorities

I don't know if this true, with the police busy supporting anti coup security work .  No one is on duty to keep order on the streets so its plausible.

I found an article is turkish and did google translate

Some people in Santa Maria Catholic Church in Trabzon and Malatya Protestant church group was attacked with stones and hammers from the street to protest the coup. The church had tried to enter the building. SAT-7 from the Turkish Seyfi According to Young; After the coup attempt of July 15th, the night of July 16 Takbir bringing a small group of those in the streets threw stones at the Protestant church in Malatya. church windows were broken in the attack. material damage to the church building is not one because of the night occurred. TRABZON  A small group of about 10 people in the same order the protesters out of the Santa Maria Catholic Church in Trabzon takbir bringing attacked. Church paving stones with hammers they bring their group broke the windows by throwing tried to break the door of the church.  Muslim neighboring church warning and response as a result of the attacker were removed from the church. Neighbors told the priest at the church.  Santa Maria Catholic Church in Trabzon priest Father Andrea Santoro on 5 February 2006, was killed

http://www.demokrathaber.org/yasam/malatya-ve-trabzon-da-kiliselere-sald...

Twitter is saying that the civil servants can no longer leave the country.  I assume that a purge is coming in a big way. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-could-threate...

Turkey could lose its membership of the Nato military alliance if it fails to uphold the principles of democracy in the wake of an attempted coup, the US has warned.

 

I am really surprised that Kerry is making this statement.  To me, it shows how little influence the US has over turkey at this point to be forced to threaten turkey Nato membership.  Making this statement publicly introduces the value of nato membership to general public.  The US maybe overplaying there hand here, could this encourage a backlash agaisnt the US and Nato with the turkisk public.

They should post Putin doing his happy dance on the front of the Kermlin lawn.  Overnight Putin ordered the planning to resume full trade links with Turkey.  Who really benefits from Turkey leaving NATO, this gift is potential just dropping in Putins lap.  The US is pushing the Turks into the hands of the Russia.

https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/status/755048995228123137

Kerry in his own words.  Have to agree with josh subtile.

iyraste1313 wrote:

Let’s start with the observation that Israel’s top man in Turkey, Gen. Ozturk, tried to overthrow Turkish (Islamic) democracy, in exactly the way that Israel’s top man in Egypt, Gen. al-Sisi, overthrew Egyptian (Islamic) democracy.

Why?

*First, as mentioned, even the corrupt, watered-down, compromising and compromised Islamic democracy of people like Erdogan and Morsi represents a long-term strategic threat to Israel. The top long-term strategic priority of the Zionists and their NATO lackeys is to prevent Sunni-majority countries from ever freeing themselves from imperial-Zionist control and becoming Iran-style Islamic democratic republics. People like Erdogan and Morsi threaten to nudge their countries, baby step by baby step, in that direction. The end game of all such activism is a neo-caliphate uniting many contiguous Muslim-majority countries—presumably a “caliphate” that mixes theocracy with democracy, as in Iran’s Islamic Republic. Such empowerment of Middle Eastern Muslims would quickly put Israel out of business.

*Second, just as Zionist Empire overthrew Saddam and Qaddafi not for their very real crimes against humanity but for their good actions (their empowerment of their own people), the Zionists also want to overthrow Erdogan not because he foolishly let himself be led by the nose into the Syrian quagmire, but because he is threatening to extract himself from that quagmire and repair ties with Iran and Russia. For details, see the Crescent-Online article “Desperate Turkey turns toward Iran” and note Erdogan’s recent move toward rapprochement with Russia. Israel wants to keep the Syria conflict going. Erdogan may be about to help end it.

So that is the short version of the “who-what-why.”

I have question your narrative in regards that isreal played a role coup.  In the last 2 weeks Edrogan broke bread with isreal and made big more to improve relations with isreal.  I would also point out that isreal was thanked by trukey for suppourting the democratic government during the coup. 

http://www.timesofisrael.com/turkey-thanks-israel-for-rejecting-coup-att...

And after the coup the government of turkey blamed that muslum cleric in US dierctly and then actually talked about the US being responsible for the coup.  I am still waiting for Edrogan to thank US for suppourting the democractic government of turkey, it may be long time in coming if the leadership of turkey believe the was approved by the us.

Quote:

Turkey's top judicial body, the HSYK, dismissed 2,745 judges on Saturday, according to Turkey's Anadolu news agency.

Additionally, a senior Turkish official told Al Jazeera that at least two judges from Turkey's constitutional court and 10 judges from the HSYK had been detained.

I find this piece of information quite interesting and I think it tends to lend credence to this being a false flag incident designed to remove irritants to Erdogan's growing personal power. Either that or he already had a list of Judges he wanted dealt with and ceased on the coup as a cover story.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/turkey-government-launches-purge-a...

I would agree that the talk of american coup is most likely internal politics. Keeping the americans of balance and creating US bogeyman certainly helpful to raise nationalist ferver and wrapping himself in the flag certainly helps to purge coup plotters and anyone else who is inconvient.

He also said that power was shut off at all military bases, including the Incirlik air base in southern Turkey used by the U.S.-led coalition jets fighting the Islamic State group, because the military didn't want to risk having the conspirators use them.

http://www.newsday.com/news/world/turkish-f-16s-patrol-skies-days-after-...

Thats explains that 5 us militarty installions are on internal power. 

http://www.stripes.com/news/power-at-incirlik-air-base-off-for-third-day...

Specificaly incirlik air base

It was not immediately clear why Turkey had not yet restarted commercial power at Incirlik, a strategic hub for U.S. operations against the Islamic State group. It also wasn’t clear how long the U.S. military can continue running generators to keep the base operational.

I can not find the article but incirlik is blocked by local authories or local authories are protecting the base.  And of course the base is on full alert to reply to any attack. 

Form my research I have come the following results Incirlik has been on internal power for 4 days, the local garrison on full alert, and depending on what article you read the base is surronded by turkisk military which either protecting base or they are impeding movement off the base.  Jake tapper on cnn on sunday asked kerry about 5 american base being without power.  Kerry dodged the question.  In the news article edorgan is stating a military bases have been cut are throught out the country.  Its like trying to put together puzzle with knowning picture you are putting together.

The first question why is incirlik without power now for 4 days?

2.Are the other americans bases without power and they surronded as well?

If I could get the answers to these questions I could formulate an idea of what is happening.  If could have those answers I could probably figure out if the turkish government is convinced that the americans are involved or just using the americans of tool for internal politics.

All this lends credence to the suspicion that the coup was not all that it seemed.

BREAKING Turkish President Erdoğan says the state of emergency will last for 3 months. #TurkeyCoupAttemt

I do wonder how this is different from martial law? 

If you look you will find some coverage ... for the critical stuff, you have to look at opposition sources, many of which are criminalized as terrorists or illegal or maybe in the process of being arrested and, therefore, understandably reticent to stick their necks out so as have something chopped off by the arrest-happy regime ...

I believe that this will not encourage anyone to stick their necks out so as have something chopped off by the arrest-happy regime.  I would suggest the neck sticking out business has been concluded. The only upside this has end date at this point rather than we have enternal war of terror in the west will most likely last longer than my natural life span. I mean of course the war on terror.

The state of emergency, which comes into force after it is published in Turkey's official gazette, will allow the president and cabinet to bypass parliament in passing new laws and to limit or suspend rights and freedoms as they deem necessary. The decision has immediately raised fears of more arbitrary arrests

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-20/lira-plunges-record-low-erdogan...

I would be on plane post haste.  I just suspect that the state of emergency maybe could used for more just to guarantee democrartic order. 

And france declared of state of emergency as well 6 months.  I will be looking into the implacations of this move by the parliment.

Sometimes a President DOES need absolute power to be able to combat shadowy, unnameable threats to "liberty" or "the state" or "the people".

...well great, let's go after the banksters, the oil companies, the mining companies, the fascist bureaucrats, the loggers strip mining the indigenous territories without the right, legal or moral, but above all the political leadership condoning and encouraging all this...

of course with a slight change of strategy, the absolute power of the people organized!

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160721/1043373832/russia-warned-turkey-c...

According to Iranian media, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was warned by Russian intelligence of an imminent coup just hours before tanks appeared in the streets of Istanbul and Ankara last Friday.

Last week, the Russian army intercepted Turkish military communications that indicated a coup was being organized against the government of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, according to Fars News. This information was then passed on to Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization (MIT), diplomatic sources told the news agency.

 

This just plain scary if its true.  I remember I was watching RT news and the commenters were saying that forigen power was behind the coup.  I can back a few hours later and the signal was not working.  A couple days later it was revealed that RT was shutdown with a massive DOS attack. 

Today, the famous Saudi whistleblower known as ‘Mujtahid’ has come out with a sensational disclosure that the UAE played a role in the coup and had kept Saudi Arabia in the loop. Also, the deposed ruler of Qatar Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani (who is a close friend of Erdogan) has alleged that the US, another Western country (presumably France) had staged the coup and that Saudi Arabia was involved in it. (here and here) Meanwhile, word has leaked to the media that in a closed-door briefing to the Iranian parliament on Sunday, Foreign Minister Mohammad Zarif hinted at Saudi and Qatari involvement in the coup....from MK Bhadrakumar

...this is all in response to Turkey's realignment to the Russia China Syria alliance?

The geopolitical and economic consequences of the failed coup attempt in Turkey will be its U-turn from the EU and NATO towards Eurasia, according to theAustrian financial newspaper Wirtschaftsblatt.

The outlet noted how carefully the Turkish leadership has been monitoring the delayed reaction of the West to the failed attempt of the overthrow.

Only on Saturday afternoon, it says, came the comments of EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini and Johannes Hahn, Commissioner for the European Neighborhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations.

Its senior NATO ally, the US, was also mute for the first three or four hours.

However, the newspaper notes, Russian President Putin was the first to voice support for Recep Tayyip Erdogan. During their telephone conversation on Saturday, the two leaders decided to put off their planned meeting until early August.

Timothy Ash, an emerging markets analyst at the Japanese banking giant Nomura, has told the newspaper that the events of the last weekend are groundbreaking for Turkey.

“The character and the face of the country will change towards the Asian model of development: a strong central presidency and a dominant single party government, like the one in Malaysia,” Wirtschaftsblatt quotes him as saying.

The analyst also suggested that Ankara will finally turn its back on the idea of EU membership, which de facto was dead after the Brexit referendum in the UK and the earlier Dutch referendum which overwhelmingly rejected the EU association agreement with Ukraine,The last illusions will be dropped when the Turkish parliament reintroduces the death penalty.  President Erdogan has already announced that this would happen.

Another motive for the rapprochement with Moscow, the newspaper says, is the Turkish Stream pipeline project and the Turkish interest in Russian nuclear power plants.

good points but you're missing the very critical points...

you just have to wonder what those critical points are....I as yet do not have close contacts on the scene...but the economics comes to mind....

The Erdogan family is benefitting through Turkish redistribution of ISIS oil...

no doubt likewise from the heroin trade from Afghanistan, where Turkey is in alliance with CIA and the drug/warlords...

all very confusing in this era of deception and the bottom line!