The German-Soviet invasion of Poland was an example of cooperation of socialist nations against Anglo-French imperialism.
- The Communist International
(An appeal issued by the Communist International on October 7, 1939 - that is, the 22 Anniversary of the October Revolution.)
http://www.17september1939.com/
Rah rah Vikor Suvorov! Long live the United Kingdom!
What fucking horseshit.
I think it is great to remember this. Problem with kids these days is that they forget these noble sacrifices.
Funny that some of our friends here on babble haven't dropped in to share their thoughts about this campaign in the fight against western Imperialism.
Maybe they're shy and don't want to be seen as taking too much space here, or are having a busy weekend. In any case it deserves a bump.
Something that I hadn't known about until recently was the part of CzechSlovakia that was appropriated by the Polish regime when the Nazis occupied the Czech lands, with Western blessing, in 1938.
And for even more on Teschen, taken in 1920 by the Czechs from Poland and taken in 1938 by the Poles from Czecho-Slovakia, and previously part of Austria-Hungary [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Teschen#After_World_War_I]you can also check out Wikipedia.[/url]
In what way, however, is this thead about "international news"? Do we need a history forum?
An old Russian proverb says, "Dwell on the past and you'll lose an eye; forget the past and you'll lose both eyes."
Good proverb, that!
How do Russians suggest keeping both eyes?
Good proverb, that!
How do Russians suggest keeping both eyes?
Close your eyes? I dunno. It's one of those typical Russian proverbs in which you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
@ Smith:
I think that you are right but that you are likely wasting your time.
There are some babblers that are very unhappy that anyone knows about the Molotov-von Ribbentrop pact (although it did in fact happen), and there are some babblers that are very unhappy that anyone knows that Stalin and Mao each killed more people than Hitler ever did (although that did in fact happen). It seems likely to me that they will never admit this, but you can keep trying.
BTW, I think the real Russian proverb is that the Devil appears to a man and says "I will give you anything you ask, but the condition is that whatever I give you, your neighbour gets double." Man thinks for a bit and says "I want you to put out one of my eyes."
Something that I hadn't known about until recently was the part of CzechSlovakia that was appropriated by the Polish regime when the Nazis occupied the Czech lands, with Western blessing, in 1938.
Aside from the fact that we all still understand the word "bitch" even though you have removed a letter...
Are you saying that justifies Stalin's military agreement with Hitler to invade and divide the country, to enforce Nazi race laws in the part of the country the Soviets controlled, and to provide military support and war materiel to the Nazi fight against the western imperialists? And their request to join the Axis?
I mean, obviously no measure is too much when you are fighting western imperialists, but I just wanted to get clear on that.
ygtbk
I think you are right. Kinda quiet though.
There are some babblers that are very unhappy that anyone knows about the Molotov-von Ribbentrop pact (although it did in fact happen), and there are some babblers that are very unhappy that anyone knows that Stalin and Mao each killed more people than Hitler ever did (although that did in fact happen). It seems likely to me that they will never admit this, but you can keep trying.
Don't forget the babblers who are unhappy that anyone knows that King Leopold II and Queen Victoria both killed way more people than Stalin, Hitler or Mao although that in fact did happen.
Oh, right.
I forgot about the contingent that post endless threads about how misunderstood the British and the Belgians are, and claim that they saved the world.
Problem with kids these days is that they forget these noble sacrifices.
I think kids these days don't see anything noble about going to war, given the current reality of perpetual illegal wars.
Oh, right.
I forgot about the contingent that post endless threads about how misunderstood the British and the Belgians are, and claim that they saved the world.
Your red baiting is getting rather annoying. The reality is that our MSM does like to vilify Russia while at the same time there is much in its history to disapprove of. However despite some Royals coming to Canada I doubt if the MSM or many people will be talking about Queen Victoria's genocidal rule. After all many Canadians are very proud of our Commonwealth heritage.
What redbaiting? And what reds?
(Someone told me recently it was funny how some people forget that the Soviet Union ended years ago)
And you said there are people here on rabble who are unhappy about people knowing about the British and Belgian record
(and I won't quibble about the dodgy numbers, since mass murder is not a competition).
But who? Specifically who that in any way freaks out like some do when we mention that the Russians and the Nazis were actually helping each other at one point.Or who has threads defending the history of either of those countries?
Red baiting??? Are you fucking kidding???
Look, we've got a Russian troll problem, not unlike a lot of boards. That some posters are calling them on their shit is kind of encouraging. At the rate we're going, we'll be an offshoot of RT's online presence before long. I don't see any "red-baiting" as we generally use the term, but there's a rather large quantity of baiting and spamming from a rufus quarter. You can't expect no response at all.
If the problem was merely spaaming the baoard with numerous threads on the same subject then you and Smith would be on North Reports case but you aren't. It leads one to the conclusion that what you really don't like are communists sympathisers posting repeatedly. Spamming in support of our oil and gas oligarchy is fine but not on behalf of Russia's oligarchy.
Try ignoring him instead of rising to the bait. The best way to kill a thread is to have no responses.
Nice try, k. But no cigar.
Again, Russia isn't a communist nation, and hasn't been for 25 years. And the troll factories aren't communist either.
As for me not disagreeing with North Report, maybe you were taking a break during this one:
http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/what%E2%80%99s-r...
Not that that accusation is in any way relevant, or anything other than a smear.
Compare and contrast that history with the history of IBM, Ford, Shell etc etc etc.
Fuck those commies were evil not like the leadership of the US or the royal family in the UK.
Maybe I'll spell it out again, just in case anyone else claims that Russia was a bulwark against Nazism, and saved the world.
They didn't just sign a peace agreement to let the imperialist powers fight it out, and it wasn't even two socialist nations combining forces against western imperialism, like numbnuts wrote.
They invaded Poland together with the Nazis.
They butchered Polish resistance fighters, and their army and officer corps.
They enforced Nazi racist and anti-Semitic laws in Polish territory under Soviet occupation.
They gave direct military support to Hitler, and they sold him oil, rubber, grain, and other goods that allowed him to make war.
And they entered into negotiations with Hitler to join the Axis.
So no, they aren't any better than any western nations when it comes to appeasement, agreements and deals. And in some ways they went much further.
If the problem was merely spaaming the baoard with numerous threads on the same subject then you and Smith would be on North Reports case but you aren't. It leads one to the conclusion that what you really don't like are communists sympathisers posting repeatedly. Spamming in support of our oil and gas oligarchy is fine but not on behalf of Russia's oligarchy.
Try ignoring him instead of rising to the bait. The best way to kill a thread is to have no responses.
Oh, I find NR's continual links irritating enough, but it doesn't appear to be a concerted effort to take over the board. And NR at least keeps a topic to one thread most of the time, and I doubt he's getting paid per post.
Here we have thread after thread to the point where you have difficulty participating in the board because the content that you'd find engaging is buried in 20 or more threads about how fucking awesome Uncle Vlad is, unlike those poxy Americans. If there's enough spam, it disrupts the board to an extent that it starts to lose users.
I have no problem with communist sympathisers if they're here to actually converse and contribute. I enjoy going back and forth with people I don't necessarily agree with, and won't necessarily agree with, provided that it's done in good faith. That's not what's happening here.
Why do I respond? I suppose it's because I feel some ownership in the board. I've been a member here since close to the beginning. How do you just not respond to someone taking a shit in your living room?
Compare and contrast that history with the history of IBM, Ford, Shell etc etc etc.
Fuck those commies were evil not like the leadership of the US or the royal family in the UK.
Right, okay. Do we have paid trolls spamming the board in support of that worldview?
I didn't say that k. No one here has said that.
I am saying that when our good friend ikosmos proclaims that Russia saved the world from Nazism he is not telling the truth.
And when apologists for that country's current government claim they are the only country that stands up to fascists they are lying.
Lying about the history:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-defends-notorious-nazi-soviet-pact-1741...
and lying about current events:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-s-far-right-ambitio...
And yes, like Timebandit, I have less of a problem with people's ideology (I said so directly to ikosmos not so long ago) than I do with them lying, not acting in good faith, and undermining others.
I don't see any "red-baiting" as we generally use the term
In my experience it's used pretty broadly, to try to squelch any unwanted criticism of communism or the former Soviet Union.
Used to be that the term referred specifically to accusing someone of being a communist (or a sympathizer) in order to invalidate them, and perhaps cause them to lose their job, their reputation or their liberty.
But we now have two different communist parties in Canada, all legitimate and above board. Nobody is going to get fired, or hear the knock in the night, for being communist, or sympathizing with communists, or endorsing communist governments, or whatever.
To pretend that it's 1952 again, and the government of Canada is Joseph McCarthy holding a waterboard is pure silliness.
My entire family was slaughtered by the Nazis and their collaborators. The few survivors were liberated by the Soviet people, who sacrificed more than anyone to destroy Hitler. Yet Stalin was guilty of massive crimes against the people of the Soviet Union, just as the Soviet Union (and Russia afterwards) were and are guilty of aggression against sovereign nations (Hungary, Czechoslovakia at the time, Afghanistan, etc.), in exactly the same way as the United States.
The opening post especially, and some of the comments above, in attempting to equate Hitlerite Germany with the Soviet Union, are nothing short of obscene. As are the attempts to paint Russia or China of today as victims of "red-baiting".
I'm really ashamed to see such disgusting comments by babblers, who take "sides" on who should be in power in the Ukraine, who should own Crimea, etc. But the statement that Stalin and Mao killed "more people" than Hitler? Thanks for showing your true colours.
If there weren't some here making absolutist statements about Russia opposing Nazism it would not be necessary to point this history out, Unionist.
It was not true then, and it is not true now.
It wasn't even true in the years before the fall of communism, when the Soviets suppressed the history of fascism in its occupied countries to keep the peace, and suppressed history of the crimes against the Jewish people for their own political agenda.
It's not polite to express an opinion about other countries? Sorry, but this is an international news and politics forum, and the cat is out of the bag on that one.
If there weren't some here making absolutist statements about Russia opposing Nazism it would not be necessary to point this history out, Unionist.
Equating Hitler with Stalin and Mao? That has no place in civilized society. If that's what's needed to oppose absolutist statements about Russia, then I'll start kissing the ass of Stalin and Putin. Hope that day never comes.
The opening post is obscene. It's a filthy provocation, an apologia for Hitler. It calls Nazism "socialist". I told myself I wouldn't comment in this filthy thread other than to use curse words. But people I respect are getting sucked in and feeding this monstrosity. I do deeply wish they would stop.
If there weren't some here making absolutist statements about Russia opposing Nazism it would not be necessary to point this history out, Unionist.
Equating Hitler with Stalin and Mao? That has no place in civilized society. If that's what's needed to oppose absolutist statements about Russia, then I'll start kissing the ass of Stalin and Putin. Hope that day never comes.
The opening post is obscene. It's a filthy provocation, an apologia for Hitler. It calls Nazism "socialist". I told myself I wouldn't comment in this filthy thread other than to use curse words. But people I respect are getting sucked in and feeding this monstrosity. I do deeply wish they would stop.
Unionist, I respectfully disagree with your comments. Nazis did in fact represent themselves to the German people as socialists - that's what NSDAP actually means. Many Nazis were former communists.
If you have not read the following books you might think about doing so:
https://www.amazon.ca/Black-Book-Communism-Crimes-Repression/dp/0674076087
https://books.google.ca/books/about/Assignment_in_Utopia.html?id=ZXLhwVJ...
https://www.amazon.ca/Maos-Great-Famine-Devastating-Catastrophe/dp/08027...
So yes, Stalin and Mao killed more people.
I am willing to accept that you have strong feelings based on your family history, but your view of the facts is not in line with what actually happened, so far as I can tell.
But we now have two different communist parties in Canada, all legitimate and above board. Nobody is going to get fired, or hear the knock in the night, for being communist, or sympathizing.....
You're quite wrong about that. There are always blacklists and always will be. Anyone who doesn't understand this has probably never been a serious activist with a revolutionary perspective. Tell the truth Magoo - that's you, isn't it?
Try a google search of blacklists in the UK, for example, in the pages of the [anti-communist] Guardian for at least one example of recent blacklisting.
The opening post especially, and some of the comments above, in attempting to equate Hitlerite Germany with the Soviet Union, are nothing short of obscene.
It's an ongoing campaign, going far beyond babble, as I think you probably know, and in fact I can quote you texts going back to the 1980's in which this effort to equate the Nazi genocide with the Stalinist crimes is already made.
Our babblers are simply re-gurgitating the MSM narrative. I don't see it as any different, for example, from the narrative that the use of nuclear weapons on the civlians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was "justifed" in order to "save lives".
These are simply unexamined claims, not requiring evidence, like the claim that the US is the "indispensable country" etc.
I'm really ashamed to see such disgusting comments by babblers, who take "sides" on who should be in power in the Ukraine, who should own Crimea, etc. But the statement that Stalin and Mao killed "more people" than Hitler? Thanks for showing your true colours.
I have to confess that my own understanding of the loss of life in China from the occupation and wars by Imperial Japan (the deaths, in total, exceed those of the former Soviet Union) was not clear and it is only by reading Chinese sources, such as speeches by Chinese leaders on significant occassions, that this was more clear for me.
Quite simply, the noble accomplishment by the Soviet peoples, against Nazi Germany, literally saved humanity from mass enslavement and/or annihilation. Their accomplishment shall live through the ages.
The fact that others refuse to see this fundamental truth, that shocking crimes under Stalin somehow "nullify" this heroic and noble feat, ultimately is shitting on the memory of those who lost their lives in that most heroic and noble cause. The military defeat of the "undefeated" Nazi juggernaut, the acknowledged turning point in Stalingrad. the storming of Berlin, the liberation of millions of people from certain death, ... all this is grist for the mill of hatred.
Just repeat the truth. Their accomplishment shall live through the ages. Amen.
The people of Russia beat the German invaders. Stalin's crimes do not nullify that great victory by a beseiged nation. Stalin did not defeat Hitler the people defeated them and it is one of the things the West simply does not get about the cold war. After losing millions of civilians in that epic battle the regular folks somehow did not trust European politicians, go figure.
As for the great US, if Japan had not attacked them their captains of industry would have continued to sell arms and other goods to both side just like they do today.
Try a google search of blacklists in the UK, for example, in the pages of the [anti-communist] Guardian for at least one example of recent blacklisting.
Or you could just post the link.
Or better yet, a link to these "blacklists" in Canada -- presumably they're where you'd end up if I "redbaited" you on babble.
Right, okay. Do we have paid trolls spamming the board in support of that worldview?
So what is your evidence that we have paid trolls shilling for the Russians? I have been told that I cannot say that Pondering is a paid Liberal shill because that is against the board's policy and the moderators claim that they actually look at the information that people submit when they sign up. If the Russians are paying anyone on this board to help with Putin's image I would suggest they are not getting their money's worth because it would be the most ham fisted attempt at persuasion known to propagandists.
Try a google search of blacklists in the UK, for example, in the pages of the [anti-communist] Guardian for at least one example of recent blacklisting.Or you could just post the link.
Or better yet, a link to these "blacklists" in Canada -- presumably they're where you'd end up if I "redbaited" you on babble.
In Canada we have become post ideological. While I am sure they still keep an eye on most communists that is because they are often activists. If you are actively opposing the oil and gas industry then you are almost certainly on a CSIS list and depending on how active you have been it is very likely that a government security check would flag you as a person of interest. If you are an anarchist opposing the oligarchy you have to know that at least one member of your group is likely an agent, probably the one advocating violence. If you are a First Nations activist I am sure you are on the radar.
The federal government and its spy agency spent half of the time at a classified national security briefing for energy companies to talk about "challenges" created by environmental groups, government records obtained by PressProgress show.
And the theme of the day-long "classified briefing for energy and utilities sector stakeholders," held in collaboration with Natural Resources Canada and the RCMP on November 17, 2011 at the Ottawa headquarters of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), didn't mince words: "North American energy resources development at risk."
The entire morning was blocked off to discuss "challenges to energy projects from environmental groups," the agenda, released by NRCan under access to information law and attached below, shows.
The afternoon was split between an RCMP update about national security criminal investigations and a roundtable discussion led by lawyers for the Canadian Forces, CSIS and the Department of Justice about "the legal challenges of infrastructure protection: collecting evidence for prosecutions in the Canadian experience."
The focus back in 2011 on environmental groups in the classified briefing for the country's energy companies wasn't just a one-time deal. The Vancouver Observer reported last November of "vigorous spying" on tar sands activists and organizations since December 2012.
Internal emails from the National Energy Board, covering the period of December 2012 to April 2013 and released to the newspaper under access to information law, shows the NEB "coordinated the gathering of intelligence on opponents" to the tar sands and "actively coordinated" with officials from Enbridge Inc. and TransCanada Corporation, the Vancouver Observer reported.
Targeted groups included ForestEthics, LeadNow, Dogwood and the Council of Canadians.
https://www.pressprogress.ca/en/post/csis-big-oil-never-say-never-again-...
No this is not the 1950's in the US it is actually far more insidious.
Not only is the federal government subsidizing the energy industry in underwriting their costs, but deploying public-safety resources as a de facto "insurance policy" to ensure that federal strategies on proposed pipeline projects are achieved, these documents indicate.
Before the National Energy Board's Joint Review Panel hearings on the proposed Enbridge oil pipeline, the NEB coordinated the gathering of intelligence on opponents to the oil sands. The groups of interest are independent advocacy organizations that oppose the Harper government's policies and work for environmental protections and democratic rights, including Idle No More,ForestEthics, Sierra Club, EcoSociety, LeadNow, Dogwood Initiative, Council of Canadians and the People's Summit.
http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/harper-governments-extensive-s...
I didn't make that statement Unionist. But if you're upset about the numbers game of who did more, Hitler, Mao,Stalin, Leopold or Victoria (I think it is a dumb and pointless exercise, which is why I declined) it really is irrelevant in my opinion once you get into millions of people murdered.
If it is an issue I do think Stalin and Hitler were the same order of totalitarian. Mao? It was a more complex situation.
But really, that isn't why I weighed in. Honestly I found it really odd that our pro-Russian contingent wasn't in here right away. A fair observation.
As for what Todrick's motive was, I don't really care. I am surprised that anyone would seriously argue that both the Nazis and the Soviets were in it to fight the good fight against Imperialism (another form of equating the two, I suppose). So I did find it interesting in that way.
And, as you say, complete horse shit.
How committed were the Soviets to dealing with Nazi crimes?
In the early People's Republic of Poland, the question of the Polish-Ukrainian conflict was never a subject of independent studies. Ukrainian historian Roman Hrytskiv believes that Polish Communists avoided this subject as it could raise questions regarding the Polish population in Western Ukraine.[3] Paweł Machcewicz from the Polish Institute of National Remembrance suggests two reasons why, up until the collapse of communism, censorship blocked the subject of the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia perpetrated by the OUN-UPA:
- Ukrainians were considered a friendly Soviet nation (a member of the USSR) and any mention of the Polish-Ukrainian conflict would be seen as anti-Soviet.
- The previously Polish territories of Volhynia and Eastern Galicia were incorporated into the Soviet Union; therefore any reference to those lost lands would be treated as anti-Soviet revisionism.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historiography_of_the_Volyn_tragedy
Without even getting into the Soviet Union's own collaborationist crimes in Poland.
And you probably don't need to read that Wikipedia listing to see how quickly their tune changed once Ukraine was no longer part of the happy family.
I have to confess that my own understanding of the loss of life in China from the occupation and wars by Imperial Japan (the deaths, in total, exceed those of the former Soviet Union) was not clear and it is only by reading Chinese sources, such as speeches by Chinese leaders on significant occassions, that this was more clear for me.
Quite simply, the noble accomplishment by the Soviet peoples, against Nazi Germany, literally saved humanity from mass enslavement and/or annihilation. Their accomplishment shall live through the ages.
The fact that others refuse to see this fundamental truth, that shocking crimes under Stalin somehow "nullify" this heroic and noble feat, ultimately is shitting on the memory of those who lost their lives in that most heroic and noble cause. The military defeat of the "undefeated" Nazi juggernaut, the acknowledged turning point in Stalingrad. the storming of Berlin, the liberation of millions of people from certain death, ... all this is grist for the mill of hatred.
Just repeat the truth. Their accomplishment shall live through the ages. Amen.
Nice doubledown. Too bad Vladimir Putin isn't doing any fancy footwork to claim it was "the People". He openly defends Stalin.
And no one is saying Russia wasn't critical to the defeat of the Nazis. But it doesn't change the fact that they aided the Nazi war machine, and tried to join the Axis.
Amen all you want.
And it is important because the Soviets, and Putin in modern times have continually used the tactic of declaring all their enemies Nazis, and themselves the only nation that is absolutely opposed to Nazism. It is a lie.
The Soviets suppressed the racial dimension of the Nazi holocaust to make it all about their politics. They suppressed information about fascists and collaborators in their conquered territories - including Ukraine - when it suited their purposes. They suppressed information about their own Nazi collaboration and crimes. And it continues today as Putin supports far right and fascist parties in other countries, and fosters their ideas within Russia.
And the situation in China was not simply an invasion by Japan. There was already a civil war going on. One which lasted almost 25 years. Some on both sides of that conflict fought the Japanese.
In Canada we have become post ideological. While I am sure they still keep an eye on most communists that is because they are often activists.
Ok, so they keep an eye on activists, some of whom may be "communists".
If you are an anarchist opposing the oligarchy you have to know that at least one member of your group is likely an agent, probably the one advocating violence. If you are a First Nations activist I am sure you are on the radar.
So, anarchists and FN activists. Check!
What do any of those have to do with "redbaiting"?
I was talking about this whole "redbaiting" thing. Is is really a thing?
I was talking about this whole "redbaiting" thing. Is is really a thing?
red-bait verb NORTH AMERICAN informal gerund or present participle: red-baiting
Here is it explained in song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUifliF0rBU
Oh, it's a verb. It's in a book.
If the best you can offer is some anachronistic definition then I'm going to stick with my belief that it's relevant the way the Spanish Inquisition was. Historically interesting, but last I checked it's OK to not be Catholic now.
There's a difference between having an eye on someone and putting them on a blacklist.
There's a difference between having an eye on someone and putting them on a blacklist.
Yup of course there is. However when you meet with the oil and gas companies to coordinate "keeping an eye" on activists that could be called something else. Of course when Russia "keeps and eye" on its citizens that proves Putin is a dictator.
Oh, it's a verb. It's in a book.
If the best you can offer is some anachronistic definition then I'm going to stick with my belief that it's relevant the way the Spanish Inquisition was. Historically interesting, but last I checked it's OK to not be Catholic now.
I actually used the term exactly as the definition says. I meant that some people on this board are harrassed because they are communists or percieved to be communists. As for the song iit is clear from your posting history that you are in no danger of ever being called a red or being followed by CSIS so of course it means nothing to you and is really all just a big joke.
I've been called a red and commie many times by people who love the status quo.
I meant that some people on this board are harrassed because they are communists or percieved to be communists.
Who is perceived as being a communist here?
And what harrassment are you talking about?
And @ TB
Yeah, I was also wondering what ikosmos was talking about as a " blacklist".
Yeah, I was also wondering what ikosmos was talking about as a " blacklist".
Blacklisted workers win £10m payout from construction firms
It took a google search 1/1000 of a second to find this story. Obviously, you couldn't be bothered to look.
No, I bothered to look.
I guess what I missed was the specifically communist angle. That blacklist targetted trade unionists, anti-fascists, presumed Irish Republicans, and people who speak out. Though I guess it speaks to my point about the regrettable Soviet (and now, Putin) tradition of ignoring or co-opting other movements as it suits their agenda.
Much the same as it is done by the bad old western imperialists.
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And you said the "anti-communist Guardian", yet use one of their articles as your example. Please explain. Are you saying they left stuff out, and if so, what?
How committed were the Soviets to dealing with Nazi crimes?....
Hitler was a vile mass murderer.
Stalin was a vile mass murderer.
But it's particulary laughable that Smith, who is a relentless supporter of contempory Nazi's in the Ukraine should pretend indignance about Nazi collaboration 75 years ago.
http://rabble.ca/comment/1572838#comment-1572838
Funny, I thought it had been awhile since you last called me an "open defender of Nazis." But it has only been two months (July 19 in the Russia2 thread), and a couple of weeks before (July 2) in the "New Russophobia 2" thread.
That is until I challenged you to back it up with anything factual, and you shut up.
So while I'd certainly have some sympathy for those who complain about communist persecution of babblers, if it was actually happening, the best I can honestly manage is an eye roll.
And honestly, same goes for defending Joseph Stalin from that comparison, considering how frequently it gets used in these pages in reference to people who haven't slaughtered millions.
But it's particulary laughable that Smith, who is a relentless supporter of contempory Nazi's in the Ukraine should pretend indignance about Nazi collaboration 75 years ago.
Do you really want to go around this mulberry bush again, contrarianna?
Kind of glad you did bring it up though considering we have such an epidemic of people redbaiting and accusing people of being communists here on Rabble.
I felt like it would be taken as whining if I mentioned the smear that actually does get tossed around here on a regular basis, so thanks for providing the timely example.
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Though I can play grammar Nazi if you want, and suggest you might want to learn how to use apostrophes correctly.
