What are so many seeing in Trump?

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Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:
Sean in Ottawa wrote:

josh wrote:

The LA Times thing is not a random sample poll, i.e, it is not a poll.   It is a set panel of participants.   A focus group if you will. 

It is a poll not a focus group even though the sample is the same. A focus group is a discussion -- there is no discussion and it is conducted like any other poll. I have been involved in common sample tracking polls before -- they are still polls.

The problem here is that the sample is biased and the methodology of weighting percentages of likelihood to vote is more than a little suspect.

If it's not random sampling, it's not a scientific poll. Tracking polls use random sampling. Not a set panel.

 

Actually this is not true. I used to work in the business.

The initial sample was random and from that they used the sample over and over to track within it. That does not make it not a poll. In fact it is a fairly common methodology. You can even ask questions that track the responses through each time they are polled to monitor changes.

Set panels can be created with random initial samples or be voluntary or use an existing list. You can poll a set panel if you do it properly and have valid results if the panel were created with sound methodology. This is a poll -- just not a good one but the sample quota they used to create the initial sample was not statistically representative, it may not have been managed as the survey continued, and the interpretation is not valid.

I don't engage in calling things that are lower quality not what they are -- I just label them lower quality. This is a case for that.

You can easily poll using the sample of a previous answered poll and this is what they did. However, you have to maintain representative quotas each time (you can weight them but need enough in each). They started without representative quotas and we do not know if this has deteriorated as they may have just used the sample again each time without adjusting quotas since (as you lose some you have to reduce others accordingly in weighting).

Typically you have to start with a massive sample as you lose sample each time you do it. They started this with 3000. This poll is down to 2500 which in the US is getting low -- a couple more times and they will be below 2000. And it did not go down as much as it normally would have, however, which suggests no quota adjustments so it could be getting more distorted each time out. An election tracking poll using the first respondents as sample for 5-6 future polls should start closer to 5-10,000 in order to have validity by the time they get to the last one. You continue asking everyone but take out enough to weight according to the proper quotas.

The issue is having enough sample, it initially must be generated randomly (telephone for example) and the quotas being accurate and representative.Then you check quotas with each edition of the survey removing lowering all other quotas for each you lose.

Then when done, you must use reasonable assumptions to interpret it. Failure to do these properly does not make it not a poll -- it makes it a bad poll.

Mr. Magoo

"What are so many seeing in Trump?"

They're seeing a MAN.  Who's not a woman.

Ken Burch

So Trump's YOUR notion of what "a MAN" should be?

That explains quite a lot.

 

Ken Burch

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Left and Canadian, though some would say "faux" left and Canadian.  But Canadian for sure.

Are YOU saying it's "faux" left?  And for which reasons?

 

6079_Smith_W

Ken Burch wrote:

So Trump's YOUR notion of what "a MAN" should be?

That explains quite a lot.

 

No. I think he means people fall for him and give him endless passes on his behaviour because he has a dick.

And it does explain a lot of how he has been treated as opposed to how Clinton has been treated.

JKR

Mr. Magoo wrote:

"What are so many seeing in Trump?"

They're seeing a MAN.  Who's not a woman.

I think they're seeing a REPUBLICAN. I think opinion polls are showing that basically the same people who support male Democrats like Obama are also supporting female Democrats like Clinton.

JKR

I think opinion polls have shown that race and religious affiliation correlates strongest with voting patterns.

6079_Smith_W

You haven't seen the "faux left" references, Ken?

Shorthand for us Guardian readers, as opposed to those who know the real truth.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Well for the first time in years the Repubs are leading the Dems in Texas with only a single digit lead...

6079_Smith_W

Well they are the ones who actually have some understanding of this wall nonsense.

Mr. Magoo

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So Trump's YOUR notion of what "a MAN" should be?

That explains quite a lot.

Evidently I have to explain even more.

When I'm done shaking my head.

6079_Smith_W

I think Howard Dean just made up for his Yee Hah with this nice doubling down on the cocaine thing:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/30/howard_dean_media_need...

 

Cody87

6079_Smith_W wrote:

No. I think he means people fall for him and give him endless passes on his behaviour because he has a dick.

And it does explain a lot of how he has been treated as opposed to how Clinton has been treated.

Laughing

TRUMP is getting the free pass?

Have you seen virtually anything that's come out of the American MSM in the last year?

6079_Smith_W

I agree with him, Cody. Relative to the treatment Clinton has had it does amount to a free pass. Or more accurately something they have used to their own ratings advantage.

He was guest host on SNL last season, FFS.

Letterman called that dynamic right (sorry if I have posted this before)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPDZia59TE

 

 

 

 

Cody87

Maybe I can help to explain it.

The people who support Trump can be broadly fit into one of three categories. Now, of course, in a partisan playground such as this I'm sure most of you will agree that at least half belong in category 3 Wink

Category 1: They hear that Trump is racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc, but they don't believe it (for various reasons).

Category 2: They hear that Trump is racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc, and they believe it, but they believe Clinton is worse (for various reasons).

Category 3: They hear that Trump is racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc, but they don't care/this actually appeals to them (for various reasons). <-basket of deplorables

 

6079_Smith_W

It's okay. You don't need to explain it.

Whether Trump's supporters have blinders on or not doesn't change the fact the media (both formal and social) have been giving him a far easier time than Clinton. And they are responsible for his rise just like the Republicans who are now denouncing their frankenstein monster.

 

Cody87

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I agree with him, Cody. Relative to the treatment Clinton has had it does amount to a free pass. Or more accurately something they have used to their own ratings advantage.

He was guest host on SNL last season, FFS.

Letterman called that dynamic right (sorry if I have posted this before)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPDZia59TE

The media buries every scandal Clinton has as quickly as it can. Meanwhile every real or imagined infraction of Trump's gets harped on for weeks. How long did we hear about Melania's speech? Five days? Rachel Maddow slammed Melania's white dress at the RNC as a symbol of white supremacy, then applauded Clinton for wearing white at the DNC as a "hopeful symbol of women." I bet most of the people on this forum don't even know who Paul Combetta is or why he's being investigated by congress right now.

If you follow only the mainstream (established corporate) media, you know every gaffe Trump has made in the last 12 months and a fraction of what Clinton has done. If you follow only the mainstream media, you probably believe Clinton has packed rallies and Trump's are half empty. Clinton is not scrutinized to a fifth the degree that Trump is.

Trump is getting a free pass? Remind me which candidate has the bipartisan support of the political elites and international corporations that own them? Which candidate has the support of most Hollywood stars and big money?

Every authority figure in our society has lined up behind the establishment candidate. Trump supporters are getting banned from Twitter, de-monetized on Youtube, and silenced on Facebook. Political elites on both sides of the aisle are falling in line for Clinton. The media is in the tank for her. It seems even the FBI is determined to make sure that not only her, but everyone else involved in her email scandal is protected. HOW MUCH MORE OF A FREE PASS COULD SHE GET????

6079_Smith_W

oooookay. I see where this is going.

You forgot to mention the people who gave Hillary the secret earphone so she could say all the smart stuff, and gave donald the secret earphone that made him say all the stupid stuff.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Cody is completely correct when it comes to who the elites [Wall Street - not one of the top 100 CEDs support Trump, a very telling statistic; the Military-Industrial Complex, the MSM overwhelmingly, etc.] support.

So, if you take your guidance from these elites, it's clear that all "loyal" Americans ought to vote for Clinton in this circus side-show.

Problem is, plenty of Americans are suspicious of the MSM and those elites, and, while the United States of Stupid is working overtime, those plucky Americans just don't like being told who to vote for.

Clinton should be beating Trump hands down, by easy double digit figures. AFAIK, she's not doing so. Yeah, there are plenty of factors involved, but at least partly it's an anti-establishment vote.

Too bad for the fix in the DNC that shoved B Sanders out into the ditch. They had their chance with another anti-establishment figure. And they blew it.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

supplemental: No CEOs at Fortune 100 Companies Are Backing Donald Trump

Remarkable, agreed? The super rich always hedge their bets, so that whoever wins, they always win.

And I'm not seeing that here. There is a stunning unanimity by the super rich not supporting Donald Trump.

6079_Smith_W

I don't think the super rich would support my dog for president either. But I wouldn't put that down to any conspiracy so much as them realizing they fucked up creating the circumstances where he was handed the nomination in the first place.

Or maybe you disagree. In which case perhaps you'd be willing to give us a case FOR Donald Trump, ikosmos.

 

Cody87

6079_Smith_W wrote:

oooookay. I see where this is going.

You forgot to mention the people who gave Hillary the secret earphone so she could say all the smart stuff, and gave donald the secret earphone that made him say all the stupid stuff.

Ah how cute, a strawman. What a compelling counterargument.

"Khzir Khan's words won't be soon forgotten."

"RNC manipulates the pain of a grieving mother (Pat Smith) for partisan gain."

Yep, I see it. TRUMP is the one with the free pass. /s

Cody87

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I don't think the super rich would support my dog for president either. But I wouldn't put that down to any conspiracy so much as them realizing they fucked up creating the circumstances where he was handed the nomination in the first place.

Or maybe you disagree. In which case perhaps you'd be willing to give us a case FOR Donald Trump, ikosmos.

The elites DID fuck up in creating the circumstances where he won the nomination. This is why they are trying to fix it by (according to you) giving TRUMP the free pass?

Cody87

It's amazing. Last (Canadian) election I constantly heard people moaing about "Liberal Tory same old story" and "I don't understand why people vote against their own interests."

Ignoring Trump for one minute, does anyone believe that a vote for Clinton is a vote for anything other than the status quo? That a vote for Clinton is a vote for the interests of the working class majority, as opposed to the wealthy global elite?

Going back to Trump. A vote for Trump might also be a vote for the status quo. But there is a chance, even if just a small one, that he might actually succeed in bringing jobs back to America. That he might actually put working class American interests ahead of the interests of global elites. Americans know exactly what they will get with Clinton. They don't know with Trump.

I recently read an argument by a "principled non-voting anarchist" who said "I have never voted and will probably never vote again after this election." This writer has in the past argued that voting is pointless because it's impossible to get the money and exposure required to challenge the presidency without the support of the establishment and special interest groups and money. This writer is going to vote for Trump in this election, and his argument is essentially "Trump might be good and he might be bad. But unlike every other politician before him and every politician who will come after, there is actually a chance that Trump won't be already corrupt by the time he enters office. It's possible that if he wins the presidency Trump may turn out to be corrupt and a liar, that's a possibility. In that case, it is proof that our system can never work. It's also possible that if he wins the presidency Trump may turn out to be what he claims (rather than what the media claims), and in that case he is clearly better than the alternative, yet another bought-and-paid for corrupt spokesman for the global elite."

So, what are people seeing in Trump? It's the same thing they saw in Bernie, in Obama, and in Trudeau.

Hope.

6079_Smith_W

Cody87 wrote:

So, what are people seeing in Trump? It's the same thing they saw in Bernie, in Obama, and in Trudeau.

Hope.

The same thing they saw in Bernie. Right.

Quoted for those upthread (I think it was this thread) who questioned who was actually FOR Trump.

I also look forward to springtime for all those eggs and chocolate the easter bunny brings me.

Cody87

You don't think at least some amount of Bernie's supporters were drawn to his anti-establishment leanings? That some liked that he wasn't tied to Wall St. money?

You don't think at least some of Bernie's supporters want a candidate that is definitely against the TPP?

During the primaries national polls consistently showed that Bernie Sanders was leading Trump by double digits, while Clinton was often close to the margin of error. Even last month some polls were done testing alternatives to Clinton and Bernie was still beating Trump in the polls by large margins. Yet Clinton won the primary, creating a situation where Bernie loses to Clinton but beats Trump, yet Clinton may lose to Trump. How is this possible if there are not Bernie-Trump switchers?

bekayne

Cody87 wrote:

I recently read an argument by a "principled non-voting anarchist" who said "I have never voted and will probably never vote again after this election." This writer has in the past argued that voting is pointless because it's impossible to get the money and exposure required to challenge the presidency without the support of the establishment and special interest groups and money. This writer is going to vote for Trump in this election, and his argument is essentially "Trump might be good and he might be bad. But unlike every other politician before him and every politician who will come after, there is actually a chance that Trump won't be already corrupt by the time he enters office. It's possible that if he wins the presidency Trump may turn out to be corrupt and a liar, that's a possibility. In that case, it is proof that our system can never work. It's also possible that if he wins the presidency Trump may turn out to be what he claims (rather than what the media claims), and in that case he is clearly better than the alternative, yet another bought-and-paid for corrupt spokesman for the global elite."

He already has been proven to be corrupt and a non-stop liar. "Let's elect a crooked businessman and maybe he won't be a crooked politician." What?

Cody87

bekayne wrote:

He already has been proven to be corrupt and a non-stop liar. "Let's elect a crooked businessman and maybe he won't be a crooked politician." What?

He's also been "proven" to be a racist homophobic sexist bigot. But he has some sort of invisible Teflon armor, nothing sticks! What gives?

6079_Smith_W

You are the one pleading his case Cody. Perhaps you could tell us.

Mr. Magoo

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So, what are people seeing in Trump? It's the same thing they saw in Bernie, in Obama, and in Trudeau.

Hope.

That just gets ya right in the feels.

 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

There's a real contempt for the under-class, and those who should "obey their betters", and so on, among the noisy Clinton supporters that can't be entirely explained away and hidden. I think some of Trump's support comes from those targeted by this contempt.

I mean, it's all a show with a billionaire vying with a millionaire for the votes of the impoverished masses, and there is no requirement in law that these clowns say anything truthful, or live up to their promises,  but ... the show must go on. And that's as American as apple pie.

Kinda gets ya right in the feels, eh?

 

Mr. Magoo

It's like holding a beauty contest, but only two ugly people enter.

Should we crown the less ugly?  Choose someone randomly from the crowd?  Wait for the talent portion of the show?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Proof is in the official Republican platform. Reagonomics 2.0,Reagan style 'law and order' and Tea Party SoCons. If this blithering idiot were to win the election,Mike Pence would be running the show. Trump simply wants to be CEO or figure-head.

Trump openly wants a National Police State. He wants to privatize public schools. He wants to give the wealthiest a 'UUUUUGE" tax cut, 'greatest tax cut evah'. He's not there for the morons who follow him around like Elvis rose from the dead from a rat's nest full of cheetos.

The Democrats went with the 'safe' candidate,had they have nominated Sanders,Trump's ass would be floating down the East River by now.

I'm glad I don't have to make a decision. Good luck,America.

Mr. Magoo

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The Democrats went with the 'safe' candidate

Or at any rate, the one who won the Primaries.

But oh, I know and I hear you!  The establishment had it in for Bernie.

But as the anti-establishment candidate, shouldn't that have been a boost for Sanders, rather than a loss?  How did the lack of support from the establishment not turn into Bernie's bestest gift ever?

Ken Burch

It might have, had it not been for the despicable claim, a claim with no foundation in anything remotely close to reality, that Bernie didn't care about institutional racism and other forms of institutional bigotry-or, perhaps even worse, that he was asking people in historically oppressed groups not to talk about institutional oppression because it would distract from what was supposedly his only interest..economic justice.

As if there had ever, before this year, been an actual conflict between "economic justice" activism and "social justice" activism, and as if economic injustice, concentration of wealth in the hands of the few, wage cuts, layoffs, and outsourcing somehow ONLY affected white people.

Months go by, and I am still enraged at the way the Democratic establishment, abetted by the extreme right wing of the African-American political leadership, colluded to smear a good man for a failing he never actually had.

Sanders' camapign could have communicated his strong antiracist stance better in the first month of the campaign, but his actual positions were always stronger than Hillary's on that issue(and unlike Hillary, Bernie had not spent the Eighties and Nineties in an active campaign to get the Democratic Party to abandon antiracism and appease the white backlash, and had not been one of the strongest public defenders of a "Democratic" administration that spent two terms treating African-Americans even more harshly than the Reagan and Bush administrations, and had endorsed the despicable post-1964 Republican equation of blackness with welfare fraud, out of wedlock childbearing and violent crime).

Hillary Clinton's campaign, whatever else you can say about it, was never morally qualified to bash Bernie on racial justice issues.

 

Ken Burch

6079_Smith_W wrote:

You haven't seen the "faux left" references, Ken?

Shorthand for us Guardian readers, as opposed to those who know the real truth.

Actually, Guardian readers deserve that.  If you are obsessed with dumping Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party AND with expelling Momentum from the party(Momentum is being depicted as this year's Militant, when in fact the two groups have nothing in common)you are NOT part of the left in any recognizable sense.  Wanting Corbyn dumped and Momentum expelled means you want Labour to move sharply to the right and become the party Yvette Cooper or Liz Kendall wanted it to be...a party that would make only slightly less cuts in benefits than the Tories, would endorse the entire Tory harassment campaign against benefit claimants, would stay within Tory spending limits, would keep the now-indefensible Thatcher anti-worker laws on the books, would bomb Syria(despite the fact that doing so can only lead to the deaths of many more innocent people), would keep activists and ordinary party members as far out in the cold on all significant decisions involving the party, and would continue privatizing the pitiful remnants of the family silver, while out-UKIPPING UKIP on immigration policy.

And that, after making the party's very existence that meaningless(nobody in the UK wants Labour and the Tories to be more alike than different, and nothing Labour is possible under all the constraints I listed above)you'd still feel entitled to DEMAND that everyone on the left vote Labour, because "we have to get the Tories out"(as if getting them out by agreeing to continue all their major policies could possibly be worth anything).

In short, you want Labour to STAY on the path that has reduced the vote share of every social democratic party on the European mainland to 25% or less.

So yes, "faux left".

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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The Democrats went with the 'safe' candidate

Or at any rate, the one who won the Primaries.

But oh, I know and I hear you!  The establishment had it in for Bernie.

But as the anti-establishment candidate, shouldn't that have been a boost for Sanders, rather than a loss?  How did the lack of support from the establishment not turn into Bernie's bestest gift ever?

Cos in the end it's all about the money,honey.

Clinton has a fortune. Sanders doesn't. Plus,Sanders wasn't rigging the primaries,the establishment DNC were.

This is the 'anti-establishment' election. People were looking for a populist. The DNC's corruption let Trump become the populist,his blind aging,raging white hordes willing to passively watch a replay of the 1980's because the opponent is such a proven establishment sell-out.

On the bright side,maybe cocaine,Deloreans and pastel suits will become popular again with it. You can dance if you want to.

 

6079_Smith_W

Ken Burch wrote:

 If you are obsessed with dumping Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party AND with expelling Momentum from the party(Momentum is being depicted as this year's Militant, when in fact the two groups have nothing in common)you are NOT part of the left in any recognizable sense.

Scuse me Ken, but what the fuck are you talking about?

I read the Guardian therefore I am anti-Corbyn? And who cares about faux left?

You are doing a marvellous job of confirming Magoo's point about some people's attitudes, but that is about it.

 

Debater

Someone leaked Donald Trump's 1995 tax return to the New York Times.

Trump declared a $916 million loss in 1995, which means that he may not have paid income taxes for 18 years.

 

Trump Tax Records Obtained by The Times Reveal He Could Have Avoided Paying Taxes for Nearly Two Decades

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

Ken Burch

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

 If you are obsessed with dumping Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party AND with expelling Momentum from the party(Momentum is being depicted as this year's Militant, when in fact the two groups have nothing in common)you are NOT part of the left in any recognizable sense.

Scuse me Ken, but what the fuck are you talking about?

I read the Guardian therefore I am anti-Corbyn? And who cares about faux left?

You are doing a marvellous job of confirming Magoo's point about some people's attitudes, but that is about it.

 

The Guardian has been leading a relentless campaign to undermine and discredit Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader, to demonize Momentum(the political organization formed by some Corbyn supporters) and the rest of the people who elected Corbyn leader, to prevent internal party democracy being restored within Labour, and to replace Corbyn with as right-wing a leader as possible(preferably Yvette Cooper-which would  basically be the same thing as letting Theresa May lead BOTH parties, since Cooper's disagreements with the Tories are too trivial to be noticed).

If they let it go at simply critiquing Corbyn, that would be one thing.  But they have been in the thick of the anti-Corbyn, pro-austerity, pro-war campaign STILL being led by the Labour Right(even though Corbyn's landslide re-election victory as leader should have put the leadership question to rest for all eternity), and this means the Guardian is essentially an ally of the Conservative Party.

If you are one of the tiny minority of Guardian readers who don't support the anti-Corbyn, anti-democracy agenda of that paper, this doesn't apply to you.

But is now clear that there is no longer any such position in UK politics(and I'll end the thread drift here)as anti-Corbyn AND anti-Tory.  Everyone who still demands Corbyn's ouster is trying to re-elect the Tories(or at the least, push Labour back to Biairism, which is the same thing as keeping the Tories in power forever).

6079_Smith_W

That's funny, because I posted a Guardian editorial from someone supporting Corbyn. I also commented that the party caucus was out of step with the membership.

And one of the few? Somehow I don't think so, from the 51 percent of readers in this article who say they support him. You can also read how that "relentless campaign" squares with the actual breakdown of articles and editorials:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/03/analysing-the-bala...

But really, my point shouldn't be about false assumptions, but rather asking why you did so over an obviously sarcastic comment about people making false assumptions.

But we are drifting. The champion of the underdog's tax returns are way more interesting than this tangent, IMO.

 

Cody87

Okay, I haven't been following UK politics closely, but are you really citing an article from 14 months ago when the landscape of UK politics has undergone a seismic shift since then? 

 

If a progressive left wing paper like the Guardian had 50% support for Corbyn 9 months before Brexit, they would be expected to have much less support for him now considering (as I understand it) some of the blame of Brexit is wrongly (Corbyn only convinced 2/3 of Labour voters to vote Remain) is placed at his feet.

6079_Smith_W

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6079_Smith_W

Really? You're going to keep on this instead of recognizing the actual point after it gets spelled out for you?

And every Guardian reader must be a card-carrying Labour Party member?

Maybe instead you should tell me what hanging out around here makes me - a shill for RT and Vladimir Putin or a shill for the National Post and NATO and the Illuminati. Because they both get posted here, and evidently what I read and where I post tells you everything about my values and what I think, and whether I am a heretic or not.

Which again, was my point, and I presume Magoo's as well.

Mr. Magoo

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Are YOU saying it's "faux" left?  And for which reasons?

There's now a thread about this "faux left".  Hope it helps explain what I meant.

bekayne

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/finally-someone-who-thinks-like-...

She was a 52-year-old woman who had worked 20 years for the railroad, had once been a Democrat and was now a Republican, and counted herself among the growing swath of people who occupied the fringes of American politics but were increasingly becoming part of the mainstream. Like millions of others, she believed that President Obama was a Muslim. And like so many she had gotten to know online through social media, she also believed that he was likely gay, that Michelle Obama could be a man, and that the Obama children were possibly kidnapped from a family now searching for them.

“So beautiful,” Melanie said as Ivanka Trump walked onto the convention stage to introduce her father, and soon the soaring score of the movie “Air Force One” was blasting through the TV. Melanie sat up straighter. This is what she had been waiting for.

“Here comes Big Daddy,” she said, clapping. “The Donald. Big Daddy.”

...

The first time she had seen him, at a rally in June, she was just beginning to realize how many people saw the world the way she did, that she was one among millions. At the time, her hips were still sore from a series of injections intended to calm her. She had gotten them in February, during a difficult time in her life, when she had been involuntarily hospitalized for several weeks after what she called a “rant,” a series of online postings that included one saying that Obama should be hanged and the White House fumigated and burned to the ground. On her discharge papers, in a box labeled “medical problem,” a doctor had typed “homicidal ideation.”

Melanie thought the whole thing was outrageous. She wasn’t a person with homicidal ideation. She was anxious, sure. Enraged, definitely. But certainly not homicidal, and certainly not in need of a hospital stay.

...

To her, the president seemed so far away, so oblivious to the decay she saw around her that when Donald Trump began suggesting that Obama was not American, it made sense. When Trump and others suggested that Obama was Muslim, to Melanie it seemed plausible. And when Obama started talking about, of all things, gay marriage and letting transgender people into bathrooms, it all came together: The president of the United States was a gay Muslim from Kenya working to undermine America.

The more she thought about it, the more certain she became, and with certainty came a feeling of confidence — a sense of liberation that culminated over several days in February, when she decided, “I’ve been pushed around all I’m going to be pushed around,” and began unleashing 20 years of feelings online.

“Melanie is taking the world by storm!” she wrote, alongside a cartoon of herself flying.

 

 

 

 

NorthReport

Dean did not help mattters with his comments and he has subsequently apologised for his remarks.

bekayne

Delete

6079_Smith_W

Howard Dean, you mean?

What are you refering to?

NorthReport

Yes, Dean referred to the Chump as a cocaine addict

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/howard-dean-apologizes-trump-cocaine...

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Howard Dean, you mean?

What are you refering to?

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