Bernie Sanders for President

Aristotleded24 wrote:

[url=http://commondreams.org/news/2016/08/01/sanders-surrogate-nina-turner-co... Turner being offered a spot as Jill Stein's running mate:[/url]

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Coming off a contentious week at the Democratic National Convention, Bernie Sanders surrogate and former Ohio state senator Nina Turner is reportedly considering an offer to run for vice president on the Green Party's national ticket.

The former Cleveland city councilor and high-level Ohio Democratic Party official, who switched her support from Hillary Clinton to Sanders in November 2015, told Cleveland.com on Sunday night that she was weighing the ask from the party's presumptive presidential nominee Jill Stein and would decide "in the coming days."

"It's true," Turner confirmed to the Washington Post. "Talking with my family. There's nothing to tell at this point."

That will be a huge blow to the Clinton campaign if Turner takes up Stein on her offer.

And a "huuuuge" boost to the Trump campaign, presumably.

Aristotleded24 wrote:

[url=http://commondreams.org/news/2016/08/01/sanders-surrogate-nina-turner-co... Turner being offered a spot as Jill Stein's running mate:[/url]

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Coming off a contentious week at the Democratic National Convention, Bernie Sanders surrogate and former Ohio state senator Nina Turner is reportedly considering an offer to run for vice president on the Green Party's national ticket.

The former Cleveland city councilor and high-level Ohio Democratic Party official, who switched her support from Hillary Clinton to Sanders in November 2015, told Cleveland.com on Sunday night that she was weighing the ask from the party's presumptive presidential nominee Jill Stein and would decide "in the coming days."

"It's true," Turner confirmed to the Washington Post. "Talking with my family. There's nothing to tell at this point."

That will be a huge blow to the Clinton campaign if Turner takes up Stein on her offer.

Turner turned it down.

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Meet Mike Connolly, a 6-foot 8-inch tall Boston area attorney who was part of the Occupy Wall Street protest five years ago — and who is now headed to the Massachusetts legislature.

Will he be bringing with him some of the secrets to Occupy's wide reaching success?

Well, I take his involvement in Occupy as an indication of his socio-economic beliefs and values. As far as political success is concerned, I think his primary victory over an establishment funded 23-year incumbent speaks well.

For Bernie Sanders supporters, a vote for Clinton does not come easy (theguardian.com)

Those taxes may be necessary to fight the huge propaganda machine pushing sugar-water on the masses, but like tobacco taxes, they are also extremely classist.

I'm certainly not saying I oppose them, but that aspect should be kept in mind.

Had they nominated Sanders, he would have kept a lot of voters who defected to Trump in the Midwest in the fold. I don't know if he would have won, but Clinton lost and he couldn't have done worse than that.

Trump beat Clinton on Clinton's personality and personal history/scandals. This worked because of a breadth of material to work with and Clinton's personal unpopularity even among many of her voters (similar to Trump). It is very unlikely to have worked against Bernie.

Against Bernie Trump would have had to debate on policy. This may or may not have worked, but it would have been a more productive discussion.

What if.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

If I am right then things cannot get better soon as that sexism and racism would have to be at the core of policies in order to satisfy these angry supporters.

As long as rhetoric like this is acceptable, sexism and racism will continue to be a political football.

As long as it's socially acceptable to spew hate against ANY demographic, even "privileged" ones, there will continue to be resentment which can be exploited for political purposes. How is that not clear?

Cody, no one is spewing hate. You sound like a fucking MRA. Are you a racist as well?

There is a war coming to the democratic party.  So don't think that there will be some sort cordinated reponse to the Trump.  Democratic leadership is looking in panic to blame somebody but themseles for the happened.  And the left is getting ready to throw the centrist under the bus.  So far the people that run the party are not discussing the true scale of what happened.  They know that it will come out.  And somebody has to take the blame.

1.  Senate is gone, and the balance of power will worst in the 2 years all lot of dem senate are going to face relection.

2.  Congress is in full control the rep.

3.  Prez is Trump

4.  On supreme court, this could check trump and rep party but looks be an illusion.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/20161110_Trump_s...

Besides replacing Justice Antonin Scalia, who died in February, Trump may get the chance to replace liberal justices and move the court to the right for generations.

Two of the court's liberals, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer, are 83 and 78, respectively. Moderate conservative Anthony M. Kennedy is 80.

I suggest few democratics realize what may be coming, of cousre the leadership understands but I think the base no idea about the implications of the supreme court.

When the truth comes out then will be see democratic civil war.  Centrist will lose because they bet the farm on Hillary.

Ginsburg and Breyer will hang on as long as they have breath. Ginsburg should have retired in 2014 and 2015, but arrogantly refused.

The Democrats were faced with being totally shut out of power from 2003-2007. This is not novel. In the senate, as long as the filibuster is around, they can block non-budgetary legislation.

MegB wrote:

Cody87 wrote:

As long as it's socially acceptable to spew hate against ANY demographic, even "privileged" ones, there will continue to be resentment which can be exploited for political purposes. How is that not clear?

I'm with Lagatta on this. No one is spewing hate here, but you are walking a fine line. By putting privileged in quotes you speak volumes. Not comfortable acknowledging the privilege of others, or yourself? Then you don't belong here.

I recently read that everyone in North America is privileged because we are the 1% of the world. In a technical or academic sense indigenous North Americans are privileged but it makes no sense to say "indigenous people in North America are privileged" just because there are other people in the world less "privileged" than indigenous North Americans.

So yes, technically, unemployed white blue-collar workers are privileged because they are not indigenous, and indigenous men are privileged because they are male.

The left calls unemployed white blue-collar workers privileged sending them into the arms of the Trumps of the world then blames the right.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I don't think the US is ready to elect a self-identified socialist. It would be tough for one to win the Democratic nomination and probably impossible in a general election.

Sanders explanation would work for many in a Democratic tent.

It certainly would have been good to see the attempt at this in a general election. And a few people would ahve been reached even if he would not have won.

Yeah, just like Trump couldn't win, only he did. Sanders polled higher than Clinton against Trump. People believe that politicians are ALL corrupt so anyone percieved as an outsider has a huge advantage.

Clinton lost because she is the ultimate insider.

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SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

josh wrote:

Ginsburg and Breyer will hang on as long as they have breath. Ginsburg should have retired in 2014 and 2015, but arrogantly refused. The Democrats were faced with being totally shut out of power from 2003-2007. This is not novel. In the senate, as long as the filibuster is around, they can block non-budgetary legislation.

Your very right they hold on to the end because they know stakes in involved.  Its going to be long long 4 years maybe clinton should ran commericals telling people about the implications of a trump win on the supreme court. instead of a trump is bad man they should said trump will effectively role back 40 years of progress not through presedential ediet but selection of supreme justices.  Maybe that would movitivated a few more voters. 

I doubt it would have mattered at all. This is not the stuff voters are paying attention to or care about. They are pissed off at the establishment. The details don't matter. Most people don't think along the left/right lines that political junkies and activists care so much about. Clinton is a Wall Street insider and part of the political class that shipped jobs to other countries to line their own pockets. Trump said he will rip up the trade deals that are responsible for that so he won.

 

Being the defender of the status quo was massive massive error.  They wanted to message the public her "experience" was key to hillary success.  That was tragic mistake, all the money in the world you could not turn hillary into an outsdier.  But bernie a 30 year political veteran was a acceopted as a outsider.

I have my doubts about biden-warren, to beat trump you needed an outsider. Biden-warren were not outsiders.

Trump couldn't even get the most votes. Biden is an insider but without the baggage Clinton has. And more appeal to working class whites in Pennsylvania and the Midwest. It wouldn't have taken much to flip enough of those states to get to 270.

Sanders Gets Warm Reception in Windsor

https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/sanders-gets-warm-reception-in-windsor-1.4526856

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