What is this election missing? Empathy for Trump voters. - WaPo

I apologize for responding to the person who is clearly trolling.

alan smithee wrote:

Oh boo-hoo. Let's empathize with Trump supporters. They were only voting against the establishment,after all.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/americans-document-racist-encounters-on-day-...

If more people empathized with trump supporters there's a good chance he may not have got elected.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

But what say you, Alan?

Is that something you're interested in?  Or are they clearly just more pus-stained canker sores on the penis of America?

I get that you're angry.  What do you plan to do about it?  Just keep flailing and flapping on the floor of the K-Mart while your parents try to soothe you and everyone else either gawks or tries not to look?  Are you actually interested in any of this any more?

I don't appreciate the sarcasm. But what do I plan to do about it? Not much. There is nothing that can undo this for at least 4 years and who knows what the US will be by that time.

It's democracy and Cheeto face won fair and square.

But as for empathizing with Trump's core groupie fanatics,don't wait for it,it's not going to happen.

I stand by everything I've said about Trump and his inbred loyalists.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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I don't appreciate the sarcasm. But what do I plan to do about it? Not much.

Alan, I was asking what you planned to do about your anger.

Probably nobody is going to get flesh-eating disease of the neck.  So what's next?

I;m going to smoke a big spliff,I guess. And what's stopping anyone from getting flesh eating disease in their neck? Maybe I should have said that they should drop dead. Is that better?

If it wasn't for the fact that we aree physically attached to that mental hospital,I wouldn't care. I worry,and rightfully so,for Canada.

Paladin1 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Oh boo-hoo. Let's empathize with Trump supporters. They were only voting against the establishment,after all.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/americans-document-racist-encounters-on-day-...

 

If more people empathized with trump supporters there's a good chance he may not have got elected.

bs.

i've no empathy for these people who have started this shit and it's going to get way worse.

alan smithee wrote:

These are the people we're being asked to empathize with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDVWTs3gXW4

Should I also empathize with Hitler's supporters?

So you are saying that approximately 50% of Americans are like that?

alan smithee wrote:

Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

These are the people we're being asked to empathize with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDVWTs3gXW4

Should I also empathize with Hitler's supporters?

So you are saying that approximately 50% of Americans are like that?

Yes.

Then I am not surprised you are so bitter, angry and despondent. I would feel exactly the same way if I thought that. That Sanders would have won against Trump by a significant margin tells me different. In my view the majority of votes for Trump were anti-establishment votes not sexist misogynistic votes.

That is what makes me bitter and angry. The right has become the anti-establishment vote while the left embraces the establishment with the excuse that they must in order to win.

If there is a silver lining in this very dark cloud, it may be that the latest incarnation of a free trade agreement, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), may be dead on arrival -- that is, if Trump keeps his word. But what an irony it is, and how poorly it reflects on the NDP and CLC leadership, that it may take a right-wing, bigoted billionaire to kill a rotten trade deal.

Sid Ryan

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/sid-ryan/donald-trump-free-trade_b_12901040...

alan smithee wrote:

The bottom line is it never mattered what Trump said. He's a Republican. He'll fall right into line. His rhetoric was just that-- rhetoric. There's no chance in hell that the Republicans will allow him to kill trade deals. Those who voted for him as the anti-establishment candidate are going to be very disappointed.

I fear that you are right.

P. Z. Myers has an opinion about so-called liberal Trump supporters:

P. Z. Myers wrote:

So no apologies. If you voted for Trump, you belong in the basket of deplorables, and there’s no excuse you can offer to get you out. Whining that it hurts your feelings when we mention that the man you voted for is ready to wreck the environment, discriminate against everyone but white people, and turn the whole nation into Brownback’s Kansas is not only the worst excuse ever, but it’s pathetic as well.

By the way, Iris and Caine share similar feelings. You don’t get to claim you were a nice, conscientious, thoughtful person if you voted for Trump. You were just an asshole.

ha! same damn thing here and our own "sunny ways" people.

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I’ve decided that liberals have become masters of delusional thinking, because no, he’s going to be worse than we can imagine.

Read more: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/11/11/hey-gang-im-in-springfield/#ixzz4PnYtiv1p

what's different Alan?

Trudeau wants Keystone so does Trump

Trudeau is going to allow tanker traffic on the north west coast pretending to allot disaster response money and there's not enough to speak about it's all going to the east coast

Trudeau is going to allow Transmountain to go through

Trudeau is ignoring FN's stances enabling racist policies to continue

Trudeau tried to block a EU elected official from coming and speaking in Canada

Trudeau made no statements against Trump's xenophobia and misogyny

Trudeau wants to sign every trade agreement even the ones usurping our regulations and laws

Trudeau is keeping on selling arms to Saudi Arabia

Trudeau is taking more of role in the destruction of the ME than we had before

the list could go on and on including no pot legalization

brought to us by the very same type of people here in Canada who in the US got Trump elected. 

quizzical wrote:

what's different Alan?

Trudeau wants Keystone so does Trump

Trudeau is going to allow tanker traffic on the north west coast pretending to allot disaster response money and there's not enough to speak about it's all going to the east coast

Trudeau is going to allow Transmountain to go through

Trudeau is ignoring FN's stances enabling racist policies to continue

Trudeau tried to block a EU elected official from coming and speaking in Canada

Trudeau made no statements against Trump's xenophobia and misogyny

Trudeau wants to sign every trade agreement even the ones usurping our regulations and laws

Trudeau is keeping on selling arms to Saudi Arabia

Trudeau is taking more of role in the destruction of the ME than we had before

 

the list could go on and on including no pot legalization

 

brought to us by the very same type of people here in Canada who in the US got Trump elected. 

 

 

 

You can call Tin Tin a liar. It's the truth. But you can't compare the Liberals with the Trump Administration. It's like comparing apples with mental wards. In fact,you can't even compare the Harpercons with Trump's alt-right government.

quizzical wrote:

Alan oh sure i can compare Harpercons to Trump's alt right. they were rahing rahing Trump all the way here and still are. the  bs things being said are exactly the same as being said by Trump supporters in the USA.

the Liberals voters and supporters are right there too calling the 'not my president protesters' spoiled babies who need to put their "big girl panties on".

just because the Liberals are doing what Trump is going to with a smile doesn't make them better.

I'm not going to argue with you. Yes,the Harpercons have some things in common with Trump (re: Kellie Leitch) but I'll take lying Tin Tin over both Trump and Leitch any day of the week.

For the moment,we are WAY better off than the US. Perhaps the NDP should take notice and identify themselves as the anti-establishment party and run Left to the point that the Right is left in the dust.

You can't compare Tin Tin to Trump.

But if you want to,you're free to believe that.

Paladin1 wrote:

Stories are starting to surface about children getting beaten up by classmates because they voted for Trump in mock elections.

Got any links to reputable sources for those claims? Here is a story on slate.com about the opposite effect, which I expect to see repeated by Trump's white supremacist fans thousands of times in the next 4 years.

Katy Waldman wrote:

On Friday a racist social media group called “Mud Men” was created at the University of Pennsylvania, using the messaging app GroupMe. Every black member of the freshman class was apparently added to the group. Its anonymous creator(s) announced an event called Daily Lynching for Nov. 17. Beneath that announcement were posted images of black people being harassed, tortured, and abused. A user going by “Daddy Trump” wrote: “Like this if you’re a porch monkey.” A user named “GORT” wrote: “message Heil Trump” and “never be a nigger in SAE.”

BTW, Trump himself is a raging racist? Naaah

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-says...

Well, it looks like the first incident actually happened, but it seems much more like a garden variety robbery, with a little Trump jive thrown in for colour. The last case, of the crazy Texas mother, who threw her little boy out rather than teach him where he went wrong may be true, but it's nothing like what you claimed. The only story which looks at all like what you described is sourced from 4 of the most disreputable sites on the internet.

Paladin1 wrote:

Left wing holds their own when it comes to violence thats for sure. Maybe it has less to do with Trump and more to do with their society like how popular murder simulators (grand theft auto) are.

This is pure bullshit, without even a hint of a sniff of evidence. All the real evidence is that right-wingers are much more violent than lefties. eg. KKK vs. NAACP, Neo-nazis vs. ADL. Also, studies show that violent video games do not create more violence in the real world.

Paladin1 wrote:

Clinton and Trump voters who aren't into spray paitning racist shit and assualting each other need to come together and heal the US.

This would be approximately 5% of Trump supporters coming together with 95% of Clinton supporters. Not much point to it, really.

Paladin1 wrote:

...Left wing holds their own when it comes to violence thats for sure. Maybe it has less to do with Trump and more to do with their society like how popular murder simulators (grand theft auto) are.

Clinton and Trump voters who aren't into spray paitning racist shit and assualting each other need to come together and heal the US.

You can't be serious with the linked posts. As it turns out, two of the stories originated from an outfit called TMZ. Who are TMZ?

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The term “Thirty Mile Zone” originated in the 1960s, when due to the growth of location shoots, studios established a “thirty mile zone” to monitor rules for filming in Hollywood. The center of the zone was the offices of The Association of Motion Pictures and Television Producers, formerly at Beverly and La Cienega Boulevards in Los Angeles. TMZ reinvented the thirty mile zone and now serves as the Internet’s premiere address for entertainment news.

Launched in 2005, TMZ’s meteoric rise followed its exclusive on two of the biggest stories in entertainment: Mel Gibson's DUI arrest and subsequent encounter with law enforcement, and Michael Richards' ill-fated trip to the Laugh Factory. TMZ also broke the news of the breakup of Britney Spears and Kevin Federline's marriage.

In other words, one step  below National Enquirer. The two stories that originated with TMZ are the first and last stories, the one of the teenagers beating up the white guy and stealing his car, and the one of the mother who threw her young son out onto the street.

Neither of these stories has even a hint of credibility.

The other story, the one of the Texas schoolboy beaten up because he voted for Trump in a mock election at school is singularly devoid of supporting evidence. But it does have one thing in common with one of the other stories. That is, both the story of the beaten schoolboy and the story of the schoolboy thrown out by his mom were apparently the result of mock elections in Texas schools.

Does that seem a bit of a coincidence to you? It does to me. Why, of all places, Texas? Texas is certainly known as a Republican state, so it would seem more or less normal that if a mock election were held in a school in Texas that a vote or two for the Republican candidate would be expected.

So you have 8 links, none of which are the original source of the story, and none of which has any real evidence of anything.

I'm going to say that all three stories are bullshit, that is, until you or somebody comes up with something a bit more substantial in the way of sourcing than TMZ or Breitbart.

Michael, RP

Those are certainly difficult videos to watch and destroy the love trumps hate mantra they got goin on. I don't blame you for looking for faults or conspiricies.

5% of Trump supporters and 95% of Clinton supporters are peaceful? If you believe that nothing I can say or show you will change your view. It may help you sleep easier telling yourself that the videos were staged by trump supporters. The guy getting the shit kicked out of him volunteered to do that just to make the left look bad, of course. The mother lives in Texas? She HAS to be a Trump supporter then, no stereo types there.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Wow.  Was it only a week ago that the mature, reasonable Clinton supporters were predicting exactly this sort of thing from those deplorables if Trump lost?

Ironic, but not surprising.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

ABC News work for you?

Nope. Still not good enough I suspect.

I'm not sure how relevant the KKK is lately. The last article I found of the KKK+assault on google was when 3 Klan members were stabbed by protestors back in February 2016. Maybe they will try and use Trump winning the election to get more airtime or something?

Read the article paladin posted.

hu i followed the ABC link and though the title showed something about child kicked out there was nothing in the video.

Damn Oprah Winfry, what were you thinking?

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Referencing Donald Trump's White House meeting with Barack Obama, Oprah said she felt a renewed sense of hope for the transition and that everyone can "take a deep breath now." That was not the sentiment many Clinton voters wanted to hear from one of the most powerful and influential celebrity Democrats.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/797246225527341056

Mr. Magoo wrote:

OK, article read.

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‘You voted Trump, you voted Trump!’ spectators scream at the victim, who at one point is forced to the ground before getting back up.

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The victim is seen trying in vain to get back inside his car throughout the video, while the woman filming the attack is heard encouraging the perpetrators, yelling: ‘Beat his a***! Don’t vote Trump!’

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Another person is heard shouting: ‘You gonna pay for that s****! Don’t vote Trump!’

Ya, it was just another car theft or something.  Because after beating him for voting Trump, they also took his car for voting Trump.

Well, you know, shit "journalism" like this nearly never tells the important background to the story. Like for instance they say that he was dragged from his car, but they don't say what led up to that. They don't tell us how the assailants knew that he had voted for Trump, or whether they just assumed that because he was white, he must have been a Trump supporter. He may have had a Trump/Pence bumper sticker, or he may have been yelling out the window that he loved Trump and hated niggers, but we just don't know what started the altercation. My working hypothesis is that the objective was car-jacking (i.e. robbery) and the rest was lagniappe, but I could be wrong.

Trigger warning, Trump fans: This column calls racists ‘racists’

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Oceans of ink have been spilled during this interminable election urging us to “try to understand” Donald Trump supporters. Journey to the Heart of Trumpland stories became their own genre during the campaign – one in which Trump rallies were mostly covered in reverent tones.

Michael Moriarity wrote:

...Well, you know, shit "journalism" like this nearly never tells the important background to the story. Like for instance they say that he was dragged from his car, but they don't say what led up to that. They don't tell us how the assailants knew that he had voted for Trump, or whether they just assumed that because he was white, he must have been a Trump supporter. He may have had a Trump/Pence bumper sticker, or he may have been yelling out the window that he loved Trump and hated niggers, but we just don't know what started the altercation. My working hypothesis is that the objective was car-jacking (i.e. robbery) and the rest was lagniappe, but I could be wrong.

Wow! Lagniappe! How can you tell you're a Canadian? Using the word lagniappe is a pretty solid indicator.

In any case, you're absolutely right to question the video. Especially a video in which the shouting that's going on is not done by those pictured.

Also interesting that this showed up at the Mail Online, which is the UK version of the Weekly World News, you know that paper that has the pictures of an alien endorsing Donald Trump...

Alien endorses Trump

Yup, I believe that one too. After all, if I can't trust my eyes...

Mr. Magoo wrote:

...It's not a "story", it's a video.  Most of the "stories" about it are just transcripts of the video.

I'm always loathe to push anyone to watch a video, but if you want the "story" to have some credibility, I don't see how else.

Did you watch it?  And do you believe it's fake?

Yes, and yes.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

...I'm guessing "him driving his car.".

But maybe he stopped his car and dared onlookers to attack him.  We should give that equal consideration, shouldn't we?

What we should give equal consideration to the proposition that the whole video is bullshit.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

...I rarely bother including anyone's name when I quote them, but I'm going to make the effort this time.  Nice.

In a case where you are quoting two different sources, I think it's reasonable to mention that fact. You wouldn't need to mention the names (although as everyone knows that is my preferred method), but you could mention that the source for one  quote is a different person than the source for the other quote(s).