Why should a state as large as California be held hostage by Wyoming or Nebraska?
The lunatic fringe is strong in rural communities. Their populace is dwarfed by urban communities that vote overwhelmingly against these Hee Haw rejects.
California has the 4th largest GDP in the world. They don't need the rest of the States. They could easily go it alone if they chose to.
Why should a state as large as California be held hostage by Wyoming or Nebraska?
The lunatic fringe is strong in rural communities. Their populace is dwarfed by urban communities that vote overwhelmingly against these Hee Haw rejects.
California has the 4th largest GDP in the world. They don't need the rest of the States. They could easily go it alone if they chose to.
Yep, until the next earthquake...
Yep, until the next earthquake...
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I think Californians are more concerned with water than earthquakes. And even in the event of a natural disaster,California has the money to rebuild.
California could also join Washington and Oregon and be a brand new country. A healthy progressive one.
They don't call it the 'Left Coast' for nothing.
Not likely to happen, and not a good idea.
I can certainly see why RT is pushing that demoralizing and anti-productive viewpoint though.
Not likely to happen,I agree. But I think it's a damn good idea. The US is split. Time to split up the states. Canada too.
I have read a number of opinions pointing out that this election was white supremacy's last gasp.
Why would anyone want to give up now?
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Mose Allison-Ever since the world ended-Jazz Prrofile-Blue Note1997
but there is no question in my mind she would have won this election without any problem if Comey had not been the Republican operative that he is," the outgoing Nevada senator said in an interview with MSNBC.
Clinton now up 1.7 million in the popular vote. 1.3%. Second biggest margin for an electoral vote loser ever
"You do realize that the Republican's strongest base of support is in predominantly rural states, eh...."
When will people get it...the rural people´s of North America have been devastated by globalization.....that is why I have focussed on economics and finance, that is why Marx focussed on economics...mainstream working class people are focussed on bread and butter issues, not whether LGTB oriented people are respected etc......this is why Trump won ...and as Canada sinks into economic stagflation and severe depression because we are the champion s bar none of globalization.....perhaps always have been ,except of course for the abriginals who will arise to defend our interests? Where will the movement arise?
That doesn't mean anything, iyraste. It should be no surprise that people often vote against their own best interests, and in this case (in general terms, since of course not everyone there voted for Trump) this is in no way a case of the big city forcing Trump on rural people against their will.
Read the links at #50.
here's a prediction ; the US will plummet into a depression long before Canada
here's a prediction ; the US will plummet into a depression long before Canada
Is there some evidence and reasoning behind that prediction, or is it a pure act of precognition?
here's a prediction ; the US will plummet into a depression long before Canada
Is there some evidence and reasoning behind that prediction, or is it a pure act of precognition?
It's as valid as the comment above mine. Anyway,I think it's clear that Trump's economic plan is a disaster and the US will fall into a recession by the end of next year.
Get back to me then and correct me if I'm wrong.
here's a prediction ; the US will plummet into a depression long before Canada
Is there some evidence and reasoning behind that prediction, or is it a pure act of precognition?
It's as valid as the comment above mine. Anyway,I think it's clear that Trump's economic plan is a disaster and the US will fall into a recession by the end of next year.
Get back to me then and correct me if I'm wrong.
Well, alan, I wasn't questioning the validity of your comment, just how you arrived at it. I have always held the opinion that Canada's economy suffers whenever the U.S. economy does, and usually to a greater degree, so I wondered why not the same in this case?
Well, alan, I wasn't questioning the validity of your comment, just how you arrived at it. I have always held the opinion that Canada's economy suffers whenever the U.S. economy does, and usually to a greater degree, so I wondered why not the same in this case?
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You're right. When the elephant sneezes,we catch a cold. I think that Canada will bve viewed as the stable economy when the US becomes economically isolationist.
But who knows? Trump has surrounded himself with some big time establishment politicians and bankers. Maybe the US won't become so isolationist. But his tax plan is looking like a collossal failure.
If Canada does trade more with Europe it may not actually do worse than the US. On the other hand when the US retrenches -- and that is what Trump wants -- it hurts what it has in Canada to protect the core. Canada is always a lower priority and that is why it suffers more when the US is dealing with economic difficulty.
If Canada were to increase trade with other countries as it loses trade witht he US we might actually end up in a beter position -- a more diversified position you might say.
It comes down to what these trade deals can do in terms of harm vs benefit.
One thing that is different is that we do have a government prepared to run a deficit and invest -- at least we hope they keep to that... So if Canada were to invest in infrastructure, and build an industrial strategy it is possible that we might be able to replace some of the negative effects of these deals with better balance at home. Canada has left its economy to the winds of the market often while other countries made investments. If we were to reverse soem of this now, it is possible we could do much better than the US over the next few years.
If the US feels pain and cuts interest rates, Canada would also have to do so in order to prevent the Canadian dollar from appreciating too quickly if the US suffers too much and we are better off. But with lower oil there is a chance that the demand for the dollar could be healthier than it was the last time it ran up.
Quite unknown-- this could mean bad news for Canada or some opportunity as the US is held back.
Globally this is a different story. The Trump vision -- denying climate change is devastating. This was a problem a decade ago but now it is so much worse as there is no time to wait for sanity to come in.
Canada will have to work without the US on climate change and do what we can. With government investment, we could actually dominate some technologies the US will neglect. Right now we are behind them in some of these but we have an opportunity with a government that is aware (we hope) to pass one that is going backwards. Will the Trudeau government take these opportunities? I am very sceptical but it is not impossible.
If Canada does trade more with Europe it may not actually do worse than the US. On the other hand when the US retrenches -- and that is what Trump wants -- it hurts what it has in Canada to protect the core. Canada is always a lower priority and that is why it suffers more when the US is dealing with economic difficulty.
If Canada were to increase trade with other countries as it loses trade witht he US we might actually end up in a beter position -- a more diversified position you might say.
It comes down to what these trade deals can do in terms of harm vs benefit.
One thing that is different is that we do have a government prepared to run a deficit and invest -- at least we hope they keep to that... So if Canada were to invest in infrastructure, and build an industrial strategy it is possible that we might be able to replace some of the negative effects of these deals with better balance at home. Canada has left its economy to the winds of the market often while other countries made investments. If we were to reverse soem of this now, it is possible we could do much better than the US over the next few years.
If the US feels pain and cuts interest rates, Canada would also have to do so in order to prevent the Canadian dollar from appreciating too quickly if the US suffers too much and we are better off. But with lower oil there is a chance that the demand for the dollar could be healthier than it was the last time it ran up.
Quite unknown-- this could mean bad news for Canada or some opportunity as the US is held back.
Globally this is a different story. The Trump vision -- denying climate change is devastating. This was a problem a decade ago but now it is so much worse as there is no time to wait for sanity to come in.
Canada will have to work without the US on climate change and do what we can. With government investment, we could actually dominate some technologies the US will neglect. Right now we are behind them in some of these but we have an opportunity with a government that is aware (we hope) to pass one that is going backwards. Will the Trudeau government take these opportunities? I am very sceptical but it is not impossible.
Presidential Elections: Myths and Deceits - by James Petras
http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=2113
"Every aspect of this year's US Presidential election has been fraught with myths, distortions, fabrications, wishful thinking and invented fears. Trump will not confront Wall Street, the multinationals, the military industrial complex or the pro-Israel billionaires and lobbies. We can expect Trump to follow Obama's pattern of double speak and reverse his campaign promises."
with the amount of oil alone going through keystone means wth are people carrying on about. it will be biz as usual only at light speed.
Dear [US] Liberal Friends: We Need To Talk About President Trump...
Dear [US] Liberal Friends: We Need To Talk About President Trump...
Complete rubbish.
Dear [US] Liberal Friends: We Need To Talk About President Trump...
100% CORRECT...Only cowards can't look in the mirror...
I'm sorry to say this,but,the pseudo "Left" needs to wake up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
When someone begins a sentence 'As a former liberal....' I immediately tune out.
As for being a 'coward'...you clearly have no clue.
Dear [US] Liberal Friends: We Need To Talk About President Trump...
Complete rubbish.
You dismiss four minutes of rapid, cogent arguments in two words. What a compelling rebuttal.
I'm sorry to say this,but,the pseudo "Left" needs to wake up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
I thought about putting this video in the "empathy for Trump voters" thread last week but I decided against it due to his comments on mansplaining and safe spaces.
I'm am sick and tired of people who masquerade as leftists enabling and playing apologist for this fascist. I have no time for people like you.
she lost me at her closing statement.
it brings motive, reach and desired outcome into question.
I'm am sick and tired of people who masquerade as leftists enabling and playing apologist for this fascist. I have no time for people like you.
Nor time to make a cogent argument, it seems.
I'm am sick and tired of people who masquerade as leftists enabling and playing apologist for this fascist. I have no time for people like you.
Nor time to make a cogent argument, it seems.
There are thousands of MSM news pages where you can join in on the Trump circle jerk. I'm calling out idiots like you. Don't like it? Fuck off.
I'm am sick and tired of people who masquerade as leftists enabling and playing apologist for this fascist. I have no time for people like you.
Nor time to make a cogent argument, it seems.
There are thousands of MSM news pages where you can join in on the Trump circle jerk. I'm calling out idiots like you. Don't like it? Fuck off.
I have no interest in supporting Trump here or elsewhere. What I do have an interest in is showing the left what not to do so we can stop the spread of alt-right nationalism before it affects any more countries and before Trump gets a second term. If I wanted Trump to succeed I would not be here and elsewhere showing the vocal, hateful leftists like yourself how you're fucking up.
Riots and effigy burning is fantastic and I hope it goes on for 4 years. The left needs to be as aggressive and partisan as their right wing adversaries. Donald Trump is a bonafide fascist,his administration is a horror show. This is unacceptable. This is no time to play nice.
Riots and effigy burning is fantastic and I hope it goes on for 4 years. The left needs to be as aggressive and partisan as their right wing adversaries.
I don't recall any rioting after Obama was elected. I don't recall schools hosting plays of fake Obama assassinations. I don't recall journalists calling for him to be killed. And I certainly don't remember viral videos saying "people need to die."
A specific, vocal subset of the left is being far more aggressive and partisan than the right has ever been, and if it keeps up everyone on the left - not only the bad actors - will cede the moral high ground for a generation. The left has been creating hundreds of thousands of new Trump supporters for months and it's only going to get worse if this keeps up.
Donald Trump is a bonafide fascist,his administration is a horror show. This is unacceptable. This is no time to play nice.
He is playing nice, and has been for more than a month. Don't play nice for his sake. Play nice for the sake of your credibility. Once he stops playing nice, protest all you want. If you protest before then, you won't have any credibility left when you need it. See also: https://youtu.be/_ul2OuvPOQE?t=41s for more on this.
I'm sorry to say this,but,the pseudo "Left" needs to wake up...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs[/quote]
what's with the use of "pseudo" in context of your posting this link?
when taken together with his message of engage not attack it makes your use hyprocritical or worse attacking......
I don't recall any rioting after Obama was elected. I don't recall schools hosting plays of fake Obama assassinations. I don't recall journalists calling for him to be killed. And I certainly don't remember viral videos saying "people need to die."A specific, vocal subset of the left is being far more aggressive and partisan than the right has ever been,
i don't really know how you can post this outright bs. not surprised though given you're a Trump supporter.
I don't recall any rioting after Obama was elected. I don't recall schools hosting plays of fake Obama assassinations. I don't recall journalists calling for him to be killed. And I certainly don't remember viral videos saying "people need to die."
A specific, vocal subset of the left is being far more aggressive and partisan than the right has ever been, and if it keeps up everyone on the left - not only the bad actors - will cede the moral high ground for a generation. The left has been creating hundreds of thousands of new Trump supporters for months and it's only going to get worse if this keeps up.
He is playing nice, and has been for more than a month. Don't play nice for his sake. Play nice for the sake of your credibility. Once he stops playing nice, protest all you want. If you protest before then, you won't have any credibility left when you need it. See also: https://youtu.be/_ul2OuvPOQE?t=41s for more on this.
Talking about credibility. You just killed yours.
Cody, if you wanted to post about what you think the left should do instead, it just might get a friendlier response than "here is how you are fucking up." You want empathy for Trump voters. Maybe some empaathy for peopel you are trying to convince, if indeed you are trying to convince.
The video was fine - it had a message: which seems to be a call to to protest against Trump's policies, not rely on a Democratic president to fight your battles for you.
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what your message is, other than "the left sucks." I'm keen to understand what you are saying, if there's more to it than "here is how you are fucking up."
I don't recall any rioting after Obama was elected. I don't recall schools hosting plays of fake Obama assassinations. I don't recall journalists calling for him to be killed. And I certainly don't remember viral videos saying "people need to die."
Are you Rip Van Winkle? Have you been asleep for the last 8 years during the online deluge of racist and violent threats against Obama? Who was it that stood on stage in New Hampshire beaming while his crowd chanted "execute her"? Oh yeah, it was your Golden Boy.
I don't recall any rioting after Obama was elected. I don't recall schools hosting plays of fake Obama assassinations. I don't recall journalists calling for him to be killed. And I certainly don't remember viral videos saying "people need to die."A specific, vocal subset of the left is being far more aggressive and partisan than the right has ever been,
i don't really know how you can post this outright bs. not surprised though given you're a Trump supporter.
Can you be more specific about which part is BS?
Given that everything I referenced has happened WRT Trump's victory, and none happened WRT Obama's victory (correct me if I'm wrong), I don't think my conclusion that a certain portion of the left is acting worse than the right is unreasonable.
Cody, if you wanted to post about what you think the left should do instead, it just might get a friendlier response than "here is how you are fucking up." You want empathy for Trump voters. Maybe some empaathy for peopel you are trying to convince, if indeed you are trying to convince.
The video was fine - it had a message: which seems to be a call to to protest against Trump's policies, not rely on a Democratic president to fight your battles for you.
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what your message is, other than "the left sucks." I'm keen to understand what you are saying, if there's more to it than "here is how you are fucking up."
I guess what I'm saying is that the riots that alan is so fond of are having the opposite effect of what the rioters (and, presumably, alan) want it to.
This is also true of the hateful messaging directed at the general population, as addressed in the two recently linked videos, and the empathy for Trump voters thread.
The video you linked called on leftists to protest. That's doesn't seem to be your message.
It appears you have no positive ideas to offer other than "you guys suck." The explaining you're offering is not really terribly useful, and is much less interesting than the numerous suggestions coming from perople like Noam Chomsky, or Jacobin magazine, or many other left voices, on how to shift gears.
You certainly seem unwilling to offer any empathy to those you are kindly here to chastise.
I don't recall any rioting after Obama was elected. I don't recall schools hosting plays of fake Obama assassinations. I don't recall journalists calling for him to be killed. And I certainly don't remember viral videos saying "people need to die."Are you Rip Van Winkle? Have you been asleep for the last 8 years during the online deluge of racist and violent threats against Obama? Who was it that stood on stage in New Hampshire beaming while his crowd chanted "execute her"? Oh yeah, it was your Golden Boy.
here's your answer cody.
want more? then google rush limbaugh and ted nugent threats against obama or something along those lines....
The video you linked called on leftists to protest. That's doesn't seem to be your message.
I didn't link the video. I just pointed out that alan disparaged the video with no rationale.
It appears you have no positive ideas to offer other than "you guys suck."
Pretty sure "rioting is not a productive way to accomplish your goals" is more positive than "you guys suck."
The explaining you're offering is not really terribly useful, and is much less interesting than the numerous suggestions coming from perople like Noam Chomsky, or Jacobin magazine, or many other left voices, on how to shift gears.
Excuse me for not being famous. I didn't realize that I had to be as "interesting" as established journalists or activists to participate here. Moreover, I've sourced my arguments that "not all, or even most, Trump supporters are deplorable, and treating them like they are drives them away from the left" from established journalists and figures. In the empathy for Trump voters thread I started someone linked a Bernie Sanders video that said almost exactly the same thing.
You certainly seem unwilling to offer any empathy to those you are kindly here to chastise.
People who condone political violence because of a lost election deserve to be chastised. If there was some legitimate reason to be rioting, like if Trump was violating the constitution or there was evidence that he committed some sort of election fraud and his win was illegitimate, that would be a different case. But there is nothing like that going on and therefore no reason to condone violence.
Audio interview:
Thomas Frank: "Trump won because the Democrats betrayed the working class."
Thank you for your impressive show of empathy for babblers, Cody. Enjoy the chastising.
Doug, thanks for the interesting link!
I like the notion that Trump has not done anything worth revolting about and that he's 'playing nice'
This normalization of this fascist is enabling. Sort of like those who normalized and enabled Hitler.
Riots and effigy burning is fantastic and I hope it goes on for 4 years. The left needs to be as aggressive and partisan as their right wing adversaries. Donald Trump is a bonafide fascist,his administration is a horror show. This is unacceptable. This is no time to play nice.
Remember Robert Kennedy's line:
"Don't get mad. Get even."
Trump is going to burn his voters but good. The Democrats need to be there for them. Among other things they'll have to drop the ideological attachment to neoclassical economics, and free-trade even with low-wage countries, and get real. Start with Steve Keen's approach to economics.
The Electoral College Was Created to Stop Demagogues Like Trump
No, it was created because the south was afraid it would always be outvoted in a direct vote as slaves only counted as 3/5th of a person and, of course, could not vote. Another anti-democratic legacy brought to you by the wonderful U.S. south.
