Is the US and its NATO "allies" planning to attack Russia and start World War III?

Russian Foreign Minister Suggests Kicking 35 US Diplomats Out of Russia

http://cbc.ca/news/world/russian-minister-suggests-expelling-u-s-diploma...

"Thirty-five Russian diplomats were ordered to leave the US in 72 hours."

I include this not because I am convinced....but expert feedback is always helpful! if of course this makes it through the Babble moderator...pretty scary if true!

 

Did a Radio Electronic Attack down Russia TU-154 December 25, 2016?

December 28, 2016 by Steven DeNoon 3 Comments

The evidence is starting to come in and though the Kremlin has not made an official announcement as to the cause of the crash of Russia’s military passenger plane the TU-154 off the coast of Sochi – it is starting to look more and more like an act of War according to some experts. We recently listened to a Russian talk show where the guest was a Russian Reserve Colonel, he was the first to suggest that the plane was downed intentionally. The Colonel pointed out that the Pilot had time to contact the flight tower to report problems but failed to do so, he noted that the plane has 3 engines and could still fly with only two, many other points he made that got my curiosity up.

Today Pravda reported according to different experts that the fateful flight may have been downed by a “Radio Electronic Attack” . The article addressed all the evidence that had come to light as of the publication of this article. Life News reported that the flight data recorder had the cockpit crews final words on it: “the flaps, damn it!” followed by “Commander, we’re going down!” according to Life News, citing its source. These words add to the fact that a witness standing on the shore stated that she could hear the engines of the jet then suddenly that stopped followed by a huge splash sound, no doubt the fuselage hitting the Black Sea, the witness testimony was noted in the online French news source; La Cause Du Peuple. This French source also noted:

We saw in our article It’s the CIA that caused the catastrophic fall of the Russian plane in the Black Sea, that this fall is due to a radio-electronic attack commissioned by the CIA. According to the Russian expert Alexander Artamonov, the executants could be French ships that were present in the Black Sea.

Pravada used several experts that noted the fact all engines stopped simultaneously, the flaps were locked and what the public was told the plane turned 180 degrees was not true. Other experts interviewed by Pravda cited the crew did not contact the air-traffic controllers, nor did anyone try to use a cell phone but had time to put on life jackets. All the evidence seem to point to a Radio Electronic Attack.

So the crew had time to warn them, but not the controller. It fits into the electronic version of the attack. But this is not terrorism, it is a war with NATO. Pravada.ru

iyraste1313 wrote:

Did a Radio Electronic Attack down Russia TU-154 December 25, 2016?

Like this nonsense is any surprise.

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Like this nonsense is any surprise.....

I wonder what exactly are you referring to...that a number of militaries are not testing possibly experimenting with electromagnetic weaponry?

That some in the Russian military may think that this is what occurred? That a mechanical failure highly unlikely with all engines failing at once?

That there was no bomb explosion so some other explanation is in order?

What is nonsense is your attempts to censure investigations and theories in these pages under the rubro of course of being politically incorrect...... 

I'm talking about exploiting a tragedy with zero evidence to score political points.

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I'm talking about exploiting a tragedy with zero evidence to score political points.

You do it all the time ...

Trump Questions Claim of Russia Hacking DNC, Says He 'Knows Things Other People Don't'

http://rt.com/usa/372400-trump-doubts-russia-hacking

"US President-elect Donald Trump said it was possible 'somebody else' compromised the Democratic campaign servers, as he spoke to reporters on New Year's Eve, adding that he will reveal some previously undisclosed facts in the coming days. 'You wil find out Tuesday or Wednesday..."

NDPP wrote:

Trump Questions Claim of Russia Hacking DNC, Says He 'Knows Things Other People Don't'

http://rt.com/usa/372400-trump-doubts-russia-hacking

"US President-elect Donald Trump said it was possible 'somebody else' compromised the Democratic campaign servers, as he spoke to reporters on New Year's Eve, adding that he will reveal some previously undisclosed facts in the coming days. 'You wil find out Tuesday or Wednesday..."

I'm sure he does know. Such as how the Russians are blackmailing him. Oops. I didn't say that.

The piece does mention the trillion dollars the Pentagon is planning to spend. It is in paragraph 19.

 

Who gives direction to the pentagon? Who has been giving that direction for the past eight years? 

Patrick Armstong didn't say the article failed to state the obvious - that the president of the U.S. is commander in chief; He claims there is "no mention" of the nuclear plan. That is not true.

 

That is not how the Pentagon or DoD budget is planed, made or enacted.  (nice rant though)

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Rah Rah NATO Here is a song for you guys to sing along to. What I love is that this song never gets old because they keep bringing democracy to the same countries over and over and over again. When will those pesky people ever understand that American capitalism is a synonym for democracy. 

From the Halls of Montezuma
 To the shores of Tripoli;
 We fight our country's battles
 In the air, on land, and sea;
 First to fight for right and freedom
 And to keep our honor clean;
 We are proud to claim the title
 Of United States Marines

Of course in the old days they were crass but the new American imperialists are even more full of themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y

As kids we sang that too, in a different country and with much different words :)

kropotkin1951 wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Who gives direction to the pentagon? Who has been giving that direction for the past eight years? 

Herein lies the center core of your confusion. You think the POTUS directs the Pentagon not the way it actually works. Obama has been a good and obedient President ensuring that taxpayers money has been pumped into the financial markets in record numbers and the perpetual war economy including the new nuclear arms race has continued on unabated. It seems to me that is the only thing that the American ruling oligarchy agrees on. All the candidates they backed will listen to their "advise." Hilary would have been the easiest to control out of her Bernie and Donald. Donald is still  and open book but given the people he has chosen for cabinet it is clear that his wing of the oligarchy will also agree with pumping money to corporations and continuing the war economy.

Of course sometimes from the cheap seats it's hard to tell who is pulling the strings but I can certainly see that Obama like his predecessors is the puppet not the puppeteer. I think Trump is happy to play at being boss so I expect the real rulers will still be firmly in control.

Gee, and nice fancy footwork too.

I didn't say anything about any of that. All I said was the guy claimed something was not in the article, when in fact it was there.

You raised Obama's name and I said that was obvious and beside the point. Not sure where you are going now, but I'm not following, as my point is made.

So again, for good measure. The guy said the trillion dollar (over 30 years) nuclear plan was not mentioned in the article. But it was mentioned in the article.So he either missed it, or was hoping no one would notice he was not telling the truth.

 

 

kropotkin1951 wrote:

 He said the Obama plan was not in the article. Try reading for full comprehension

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Herein lies the center core of your confusion. You think the POTUS directs the Pentagon not the way it actually works.

Look man, make up your mind, or better still, drop it. I am done with this one.

 

'It's Time To Stop Hugging Russian Bear' - Former NATO Commander

https://youtu.be/3HYMtWZ1bLI

NATO builds up forces along Russian border as part of block's operations

 

Witch-Hunt: Frenzy Over Potential "Russian Hacking' Seizes Europe

https://youtu.be/wrVSJ18ovsw

The frenzy surrounding Russian hackers allegedly meddling in other countries' internal affairs has reached Europe

 

100s More Tanks Arrive in Europe to Keep 'Peace & Freedom' at Russian Borders (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/373016-us-tanks-hardware-europe

Another shipload of American military hardware has arrived at the German port of Bremerhaven. The delivery of US Abrams tanks, Paladin artillery and Bradley fighting vehicles mark a new phase of Operation Atlantic Resolve. Over the last few days 2,800 pieces of military hardware and 4,000 troops have arrived at the port.

US Air Force Lieutenant General Timothy Ray declared: 'Let me be clear: This is one part of our efforts to deter Russian aggression.

Russia has long condemned NATO's activities along its borders as hostile and potentially threatening national security. Moscow has responded by stationing its most modern weaponry and armaments on its western borders."

I hear you k, and I am concerned. But I htink the current situation bears a closer resemblance to more recent times. We are nowhere near where we were when Germany had cruise missiles pointed at their own country in case of an invasion. The difference between now, and 1914 is that then no one expected anything would come of it, never mind the end of the world.

If there is any upside to our current way of looking at things, it is that we are overestimating the potential for anything to turn into a flashpoint. In reality, I see far more danger in those areas where it is unexpected, like Trump's overture to Taiwan.

On Sunday, directly on the heels of Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen’s controversial meeting with U.S. lawmakers in Houston, a state-run Chinese tabloid ran an editorial warning that China would “take revenge” if the U.S. abandoned its one-China policy.

“Trump is yet to be inaugurated, and there is no need for Beijing to sacrifice bilateral ties for the sake of Taiwan,” writes the Global Times. “But in case he tears up the one-China policy after taking office, the mainland is prepared.”

The editorial goes on to state that “Beijing would rather break ties with the US if necessary” and that continuing collaboration between U.S. and Taiwanese officials will “ruin Sino-US relations and destabilize the entire Asia-Pacific region.”

Later in the piece, however, the Times discards pretense and assumes a more threatening tone:

If Trump reneges on the one-China policy after taking office, the Chinese people will demand the government to take revenge. There is no room for bargaining.

Obama vs. trump...different strategies for war? Starting with trade war?

 

re Sen McCain Says Putin is Undermining World Order....keep in mind that he is a bought and paid for agent of the CIA (evidence available if requested)...this is a direct threat by the CIA!

US Tanks and Soldiers in Poland Pose Threat To Russia - Kremlin

https://www.rt.com/news/373492-peskov-kremlin-usa-tanks/

"Russia sees the deployment of US tanks and other military vehicles, along with army personnel, as a threat to its national security and interests, Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov said.

'We see this as a threat. These actions pose a threat to our interests and security,' Peskov told journalists on Thursday, stressing 'especially when a third country is beefing up its military presence along our borders with Europe.'

'And this is not even a European country,' he added.

NATO describes the buildup along Russia's borders as a defensive measure justified by Moscow's alleged involvement in the UKrainian crisis.

Peskov stressed that 'any country may and will take a build-up of foreign military presence along its borders negatively. 

'This is exactly how we take it,' Peskov said."

 

For perspective, consider a Russian military buildup along the Canadian border with USA..

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For perspective, consider a Russian military buildup along the Canadian border with USA..

What did we ever do to the USA that would make them wish to be a partner in this?  That should be the first question.

Kaspar Hauser wrote:

If there is any upside to our current way of looking at things, it is that we are overestimating the potential for anything to turn into a flashpoint. In reality, I see far more danger in those areas where it is unexpected, like Trump's overture to Taiwan.

The likelihood of nuclear war resulting from an American confrontation with China and/or North Korea in the next few years seems staggeringly high.[/quote]

There are in fact greater dangers where people take things for granted. And this is why some China watchers can be concerned.

The US may think it can get away with some of these things because of the integration of the global economy -- but that may not be the case.

Also China is facing some difficulties in finance -- its ability to dump US dollars has been somewhat reduced so economic revenge is not as easy.

The strategic situation may be seen by the US as positioning whereas by the Chinese it is basic survival.

There are reasons to be worried that both China and the Us could box themselves into a conflict neither wants. Familiar?

US could mishandle Russia in a similar way and take for granted all could be well when it is not.

The US has an impression of itself that is shared by a few key allies but this i not how the rest of the world looks at it and they are a lot more threatening than they are willing to admit.

6079_Smith_W wrote:

By contrast, having forces toe to toe used to be the norm in Europe. And one thing convenently being ignored here is that the deployment of those ground troops is far more in the interests of the border states than the other NATO nations.

I am sure that the war manoeuvres bring lots of money into the local economies. The idea that Russia is about to invade a NATO ally is just patently absurd. 

kropotkin1951 wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

By contrast, having forces toe to toe used to be the norm in Europe. And one thing convenently being ignored here is that the deployment of those ground troops is far more in the interests of the border states than the other NATO nations.

I am sure that the war manoeuvres bring lots of money into the local economies. The idea that Russia is about to invade a NATO ally is just patently absurd. 

It might be absurd but it seems tobe the only reasonable explanation. NATO might believe this, otherwise this policy of ramping up heat is counterproductive.