Tracking the Liberal government's record of keeping promises (a.k.a. Trudeaumeter 2)

Sat, 2016-05-28 19:40

epaulo13

Trudeau abandons green election promises, lacks real climate plan

With the recent National Energy Board approval of the Kinder Morgan pipeline and Justin Trudeau’s enthusiastic post-election remarks to the effect that Canada can build pipelines and address climate change concurrently, it is time to take stock of just where the current government is heading us.

Put bluntly, it remains questionable whether Canada can meet the very modest Conservative 2020 GHG reduction target should the Energy East and Kinder Morgan pipelines get the green light. Worse still, the Trudeau Liberals do not have a serious plan on climate change.

quote:

Signs of the times

Like a dog hanging on to its bone, the Liberals seem to be oblivious to the clear signs of the beginning of the end of the fossil fuel era. This despite the staggering warning signs. Here are just a few of the biggest ones:

1) 90% of all new global electrical generation capacity in 2015 came from renewables

2) Global emissions have remained flat since 2013

3) China’s coal consumption declined in both 2014 and 2015

4) US coal producers representing 45% of US coal output have gone into bankruptcy

5) 21 countries have experienced economic growth while diminishing their respective emissions since 2000

6) The tipping point when an electric vehicle becomes comparably priced to a conventional one is predicted to occur as early as 2020 – with the overall cost to the consumer being cheaper due to lower fueling and maintenance costs.

7) China is a world-leader, with 331,000 electric vehicles sold in 2015. By 2020, it is expected to manufacture 2 million eco-vehicles/year and have 5 million on the road

8) Ford, Hyundai-Kia, Volkswagen and Volvo all have ambitious plans for a wide range of electric and hybrid models by 2020. Meanwhile, a full 10% of BMW’s North American sales in April 2016 were electric vehicles and 25% of all 2015 new vehicle sales in Norway were electric

9) The Chief Financial Officer of Suncor, Alister Cowan in April 2015 having candidly said that “The years of large, multi-billion projects are probably gone“

10) The Canadian oil and gas sector will see just $17 Billion in revenues for 2016 vs. $30 Billion in project spending (which is already a 62% decline from the previous year)

Mon, 2016-05-30 09:58

#303

quizzical

Liberals' pot policy is a big fog

Quote:
Somewhere in Canada at any given time, groups of federal cabinet ministers are clustering at the feet of a few famous gurus of the high art of “deliverology,” learning how to implement the promises that brought them to power by retreating to mountains and forests to absorb the wise words of international experts.

Meanwhile, here in the real world, the same government's almost spectacular mishandling of its most notorious promise — legalizing marijuana — is actively creating whole new classes of marijuana criminal, leading to widespread arrests, confiscation of property, neighbourhood strife and massive civic confusion.

On this signature policy, the Trudeau government's performance is a glowing object lesson in non-delivery. You almost have to go back to the Chrétien years to find an implementation of anything so inept.

Mon, 2016-05-30 10:08

#304

lagatta

I wonder how long it will take for the Teflon to get a bit scratched?

By the way, Simon has banned me from his blog. I don't think I've ever been banned from anything before...

Mon, 2016-05-30 10:39

#305

quizzical

oh dear lagatta. just goes to show how thin skinned and like Conservatives the Liberals are.

people should be boycotting his blog

Mon, 2016-05-30 11:26

#306

NDPP

"Canada's Indigenous Peoples": Usurpation as Genocide

https://twitter.com/RussDiabo/status/737252236942774272

"Our object is to continue until there is not a single Indian that has not been absorbed into the body-politic of Canada..." DIA

Business as usual

Mon, 2016-05-30 16:45

#307

quizzical

link doesn't work

Mon, 2016-05-30 16:56

#308

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

epaulo13 wrote:

Trudeau abandons green election promises, lacks real climate plan

With the recent National Energy Board approval of the Kinder Morgan pipeline and Justin Trudeau’s enthusiastic post-election remarks to the effect that Canada can build pipelines and address climate change concurrently, it is time to take stock of just where the current government is heading us.

Put bluntly, it remains questionable whether Canada can meet the very modest Conservative 2020 GHG reduction target should the Energy East and Kinder Morgan pipelines get the green light. Worse still, the Trudeau Liberals do not have a serious plan on climate change.

quote:

Signs of the times

Like a dog hanging on to its bone, the Liberals seem to be oblivious to the clear signs of the beginning of the end of the fossil fuel era. This despite the staggering warning signs. Here are just a few of the biggest ones:

1) 90% of all new global electrical generation capacity in 2015 came from renewables

2) Global emissions have remained flat since 2013

3) China’s coal consumption declined in both 2014 and 2015

4) US coal producers representing 45% of US coal output have gone into bankruptcy

5) 21 countries have experienced economic growth while diminishing their respective emissions since 2000

6) The tipping point when an electric vehicle becomes comparably priced to a conventional one is predicted to occur as early as 2020 – with the overall cost to the consumer being cheaper due to lower fueling and maintenance costs.

7) China is a world-leader, with 331,000 electric vehicles sold in 2015. By 2020, it is expected to manufacture 2 million eco-vehicles/year and have 5 million on the road

8) Ford, Hyundai-Kia, Volkswagen and Volvo all have ambitious plans for a wide range of electric and hybrid models by 2020. Meanwhile, a full 10% of BMW’s North American sales in April 2016 were electric vehicles and 25% of all 2015 new vehicle sales in Norway were electric

9) The Chief Financial Officer of Suncor, Alister Cowan in April 2015 having candidly said that “The years of large, multi-billion projects are probably gone“

10) The Canadian oil and gas sector will see just $17 Billion in revenues for 2016 vs. $30 Billion in project spending (which is already a 62% decline from the previous year)

Brilliant post! Thought I would repeat it...

Mon, 2016-05-30 17:09

#309

mark_alfred

Re: post 307 & 306:

http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2016/04/open-letter-...

The link above should work. Interesting article. Seems while the Libs announced they'd unmuzzle scientists, when push comes to shove seems they simply ignore them in a similar fashion to the last government.

Mon, 2016-05-30 18:20

#310

kropotkin1951

The new government is indistinguishable from the Cons when it comes to having its environmental protection agencies captured by the industries they are supposed to be regulating.

The Trudeau government is fighting tooth and nail to keep the salmon farming industry alive both in the courts and apparently even sinking to Ministry Officials spreading disinformation about the science involved.

[link fixed]

Quote:

Dear Minister Hunter Tootoo;

It has come to our attention through Access to Information that senior members of your department have circulated emails containing defamatory allegations about us, the co-authors of the scientific paper Discovery of variant infectious salmon anaemia virus (ISAV) of European genotype in British Columbia, Canada that are false and inaccurate. These allegations are highly defamatory and harmful to our reputations and careers, but furthermore this response to our findings puts wild salmon, the public interest, trade relations and the integrity of your government at risk.

http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2016/04/open-letter-...

Tue, 2016-05-31 03:42

#311

lagatta

Yes, thanks. Her work is very interesting. Indeed farmed salmon seems - among other things - flabby.

Tue, 2016-05-31 13:19

#312

mark_alfred

Don't know if it's the same issue that Morton was commenting on, but the NDP did issue a statement on GMO salmon: http://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-alarmed-liberals-approve-gm-salmon

Tue, 2016-05-31 20:45

#313

mark_alfred

Regarding Alexandra Morton's letter to Minister Tootoo, there may have been other issues behind him and his ministry not meeting with her. Anyway, seems that he's now gone to deal with some personal issues.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/hunter-tootoo-resigns-1.3609915

Wed, 2016-06-01 00:07

#314

quizzical

why would he leave the caucus?

Wed, 2016-06-01 00:14

#315

mark_alfred

That's what I can't figure out. A journalist compared the tone of Trudeau's tweets regarding Seamus O'Regan, who took time off to deal with alcoholism, and his tweets regarding Tootoo, and the tweets for the former were far warmer than were the tweets for the latter.

Wed, 2016-06-01 02:12

#316

quizzical

O'Regan didn't leave caucus though.

i'm fnding this strange.

Fri, 2016-06-10 22:14

#317

mark_alfred

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/private-investors-eye-public-asse...

The future holds privatization and user fees from the Liberals, it seems.

Quote:

Major public assets like airports, ports and highways would offer some the most intriguing opportunities for private investment should stakes in such assets ever go on the block, says one of the country’s biggest potential investors.

The federal Liberals are considering a system that could see Ottawa – as well as other levels of government – sell infrastructure assets under their jurisdiction.

[..]

It’s looking for projects that would produce returns through user fees – everything from snack bar sales in an airport to a highway toll booth.

[..]

The privatization of infrastructure assets, however, has created concerns.

The federal New Democrats have warned that asset recycling will enable the Liberals to take credit for the extra infrastructure money, even though Canadians will be paying for it via new user fees and tolls.

Labour unions, meanwhile, have cautioned that the model could eventually mean lower wages for workers.

Sat, 2016-06-11 21:24

#318

quizzical

huh interesting privatization news seeing as how the Port of Vancouver is looking to expand its facilities into the only park left on the DTES. we tax payers pay for the expansion then they sell it off.

Sun, 2016-06-12 01:41

#319

mark_alfred

More Liberal lies, this time about veteran pensions. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-mp-veterans-flyer-wrong-1.3628574

Sun, 2016-06-12 07:28

#320

nicky

F. R. Scott might have been writing about Justin instead of Mackenzie King:

Let us raise up a temple

To the cult of mediocrity,

Do nothing by halves

Which can be done by quarters.

Sun, 2016-06-19 23:09

#321

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Its amazing about how Trudeau's out right lies on Vet's pension don't raise a mention from all the Lib hacks on this forum. I can tell you as a Vet, I resent it big time, especially considering how long I've been fighting the VA over my pension! The bastards! I KNEW that Trudeau was LYING; his lips were moving! He had no intention of helping Vets. He'd have to raise taxes on his Bay Street buddies to do it. He's a 1%er without a concenience, an oppurtunistic phoney who said whatever he had to to get elected. You Libs have the moral high ground on nothing! You support a party of liars and cheaters, who worry about their own pockets and think NOTHING about lying to people to get their votes! How ANYONE could call the Liberals "progressive", under any set of circumstances is beyond me. They'd better deliver on CPP; lord knows they've been screwing long enought. Bunch of scum bags without a conceniece, who wallow in the self statisfied swill of their broken promises. They're shameless!

Mon, 2016-06-20 11:53

#322

swallow

nicky wrote:

F. R. Scott might have been writing about Justin instead of Mackenzie King:

Let us raise up a temple

To the cult of mediocrity,

Do nothing by halves

Which can be done by quarters.

He blunts us still.

Wed, 2016-06-22 19:11

#323

quizzical

Quote:
There should be a framework to allow the spouse of a prime minister to have enough resources to work on Canadians’ behalf without being obliged to, says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

At a news conference to wrap up the current parliamentary session, Trudeau was asked if it was time to modernize the role and provide resources for spouses such as his own. He defended wife Sophie Grégoire Trudeau’s work, and answered in French, “Absolutely.”

Trudeau and his wife were dogged by headlines when they first hired two nannies on the public payroll to help her take care of their three children and juggle various official and unofficial tasks. In May, she told a newspaper she needed more staff to “serve the people.”

Trudeau told reporters he was “very proud” of the work Grégoire Trudeau has done for years on women’s and children’s issues, and for many charities.

“She continues to have an enormous amount to offer not just to the government, but to Canadians. And we are working to ensure that she’ll be able to continue to do the work she’s doing,” he said.

“But we also recognize that it should be a free choice. We shouldn’t impose on future prime ministers and on their spouses a duty to follow a particular model.

i think we shouldn't pay to have Sophie build the Liberal brand. she has nothing to ffer me or the vast majority of women who pay taxes.

Wed, 2016-06-22 22:44

#324

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

quizzical wrote:

Quote:
There should be a framework to allow the spouse of a prime minister to have enough resources to work on Canadians’ behalf without being obliged to, says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

At a news conference to wrap up the current parliamentary session, Trudeau was asked if it was time to modernize the role and provide resources for spouses such as his own. He defended wife Sophie Grégoire Trudeau’s work, and answered in French, “Absolutely.”

Trudeau and his wife were dogged by headlines when they first hired two nannies on the public payroll to help her take care of their three children and juggle various official and unofficial tasks. In May, she told a newspaper she needed more staff to “serve the people.”

Trudeau told reporters he was “very proud” of the work Grégoire Trudeau has done for years on women’s and children’s issues, and for many charities.

“She continues to have an enormous amount to offer not just to the government, but to Canadians. And we are working to ensure that she’ll be able to continue to do the work she’s doing,” he said.

“But we also recognize that it should be a free choice. We shouldn’t impose on future prime ministers and on their spouses a duty to follow a particular model.

i think we shouldn't pay to have Sophie build the Liberal brand. she has nothing to ffer me or the vast majority of women who pay taxes.

Good Trudeau is such an insufferably pompous ass!

Wed, 2016-06-29 14:33

#325

iyraste1313

from wsws.org on the growing insurrection in Mexico

The Mexican government made clear it has no intention of repealing or revising the education reform. Speaking alongside Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in Ottawa yesterday, Peña Nieto told the media that his government “will not give in to any provocation” by teachers. Trudeau applauded his Mexican counterpart and called for a “strengthening of the rule of law” in Mexico....

...yes just watch our sweet natured human rights PM as things begin to deteriorate here!

Tue, 2016-07-05 21:57

#326

mark_alfred

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/first-nations-health-care-jordan-s-princ...

Liberals announce $382M in new health-care funding for Aboriginal children

Quote:
In 2007, the House of Commons adopted the principle that First Nations children should be able to access the same government services as non-Indigenous children.

[..]

Cindy Blackstock, the executive director of the First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada, said she was encouraged to see the government deliver funding, but was unwilling to endorse the move until she better understood how the plan would work.

"They are not providing any details, and they are also not saying over what span of time" the money will be allocated, she said. "We don't have any idea of … how they arrived at this figure of $382 [million] … and then how much of it is going to services for kids and how much [is going to] these other broad categories of partnerships."

Blackstock also has concerns as to why the "new approach" only mentions health care and social services and not education and other government services that are supposed to be equally accessible to First Nation's children under Jordan's Principle.

"Why aren't they applying it to education? Why aren't they applying it to early childhood? Why aren't they applying it to culture and language?" Blackstock asked.

"I want to learn more before I come out and say this is a good thing for kids," she said. "I hope it is, I really do. I finally want to see these kids finally get what they need."

Wed, 2016-07-06 10:34

#327

quizzical

continuing the punative actions againt non-profits when they promised to halt has brought no protests. afterall Juston marched in TO's pride parade. nothing else matters.

what's the saying about when they came for me?

Wed, 2016-07-06 13:57

#328

mark_alfred

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...[/url]

Wed, 2016-07-06 22:59

#329

mark_alfred

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/liberal-government-housing-rrsp-1.3665912

Quote:
It was an election promise that made headlines and got people excited. The Liberal Party pledged to make housing more affordable by widening the rules on who could raid their RRSPs to buy a home.

But nine months after winning the election, Ottawa is silent on the pledge. And some experts predict it will continue to remain mum.

"The reality is that too many Canadians cannot afford to buy a house," Justin Trudeau said at a Toronto campaign stop last year where he unveiled the expanded RRSP plan.

But since coming to power, the Liberal government has said nothing more about it. Instead, it has tightened mortgage rules, making it harder for Canadians to buy homes over $500,000.

Sun, 2016-07-24 11:56

#330

mark_alfred

Apparently the Liberals have kept their promise on the Canada Child Benefit. This is their main anti-poverty initiative, intended to bring kids out of poverty. It's a means tested benefit to parents with children that decreases in proportion to the household income (IE, the richer you are, the less you get -- or conversely, the poorer you are, the more you get, relative to how many kids you have and relative to the kids' ages). It replaces various other former benefits, so how much better off some families will be is tricky to calculate (though certainly some families will be better off). Would people be better off with subsidized childcare? Or is this the better way to go? Some provinces such as Ontario now provide all day kindergarden, which has lessened the child care crisis of some families. A small critique is that to receive this benefit, families need to have done their taxes, which some lower income households have not done, meaning they miss out. Another possibility is that this federal benefit could affect provincial benefits, which would lower its effectiveness (see third link below).

5 things to know about the new Canada Child Benefit

New Canada Child Benefit program payments start today

Canada child benefit seen as fighting poverty — as long as provinces co-operate

Sun, 2016-07-24 16:32

#331

kropotkin1951

Sat, 2016-07-30 15:15

#332

mark_alfred

Here's the trudeaumetre site's latest assessment:

Days in office: 270

Broken: 18 of 220; Achieved: 34 of 220; In progress: 61 of 220; Not yet started: 107 of 220.

Broken:

Achieved:

In Progress:

Not Yet Started:

Sat, 2016-07-30 15:42

#333

ikosmos

Open Letter to Minister Stephane Dion: "you and your government have adopted Harper’s policies in their entirety..."

Open Letter to Stéphane Dion re: Ukraine and Russia: retired Prof. John Ryan

Tue, 2016-08-02 20:54

#334

epaulo13

Ottawa rewrites mandate for screening arms exports

The Canadian government has quietly watered down its own mandate for screening the export of military goods, rewriting parts of the only substantive public statement available on Ottawa’s responsibilities for policing foreign sales.

The Report on Exports of Military Goods from Canada, published by the department of Global Affairs, offers the best insight into Ottawa’s export-control policy when it comes to screening deals to sell defence products to foreign customers. A separate export-control handbook provides more of a technical manual for exporters.

quote:

It has removed a phrase about how export controls are intended to “regulate and impose certain restrictions on exports” in response to clear policy objectives.

Instead, it substitutes more anodyne language saying the goal of Canada’s export controls on military goods is, in fact, to “balance the economic and commercial interests of Canadian business” with this country’s “national interest.”

This edit removes the only reference in the entire document to restricting and regulating the export of military goods.

Tue, 2016-08-02 21:12

#335

quizzical

keeping the PMO out of appointing SCC judges.

before the PMO appointed a new judge with some input from a committee.

now apppointing a new judge by the PMO comes from short list given to the PMO by a committee who was appointed by the PMO.

Tue, 2016-08-02 21:43

#336

mark_alfred

Re: post 333.

Great. So the Libs have watered down the screening of arms exports. So, rather than “regulate and impose certain restrictions on exports” (IE, restrictions relating to human rights), they've changed it to "'balance the economic and commercial interests of Canadian business' with this country's 'national interest'". Business.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/article31216740.ece

Mon, 2016-10-17 01:12

#337

NorthReport

It will be one year this week since the Liberals were elected so are they delivering on their promises, eh!

https://www.trudeaumetre.ca

Mon, 2016-10-17 01:12

#338

NorthReport

!!

Mon, 2016-10-17 02:35

#339

NorthReport

Oh. Oh. Trudeau promises off to a sluggish start

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/justin-trudeaus-economic-promises...

Mon, 2016-11-21 14:59

#340

mark_alfred

Toronto Star editorial about the Liberal broken promise of ending the stock option loophole: Ottawa should stop wasting billions on stock benefits for the rich: Editorial

I believe the editorial is referring to the broken promise that's described here on the TrudeauMetre site: https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/promise/2107

Tue, 2017-02-07 01:56

#341

mark_alfred

Possibility of a broken promise to come:

Huffington Post article wrote:
The Trudeau government's economic advisory council is recommending Ottawa raise the age of retirement eligibility [to 67]

Liberal platform wrote:
We will also restore the eligibility age for Old Age Security and the Guaranteed Income Supplement to 65

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02/06/liberal-advisers-higher-retireme...

Tue, 2017-02-07 02:09

#342

mark_alfred

Canadian government has stopped accepting LGBT Iranian refugees to prioritize Syrian refugees

Not a case of a broken promise, but certainly it's a case of the Trudeau government failing to meet expectations.

Quote:

Arsham Parsi, founder of the Iranian Railroad for Queer Refugees, says his group has resettled approximately 1,000 refugees between 2005 and 2015. But the rate of successful applications has slowed to a trickle.

“I was under the impression that by having the Liberal government, they would expand it more and more. But they shrank it,” he says.

Tue, 2017-02-07 03:37

#343

mark_alfred

These protests have mostly been organized by youth online on Facebook, which is great to see. Here's a list of protests (details may change, so best to check):

Quote:

February 8, 2017 / le 8 février 2017

MP PHONE BLITZ AND TWITTER STORM / PLUIE D’APPELS ET DE TWEETS AUX DÉPUTÉS

NATIONAL: https://www.facebook.com/events/146683209171220/

February 11, 2017 / le 11 février

NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION FOR ELECTORAL REFORM / JOURNÉE DE MOBILISATION POUR LA RÉFORME ÉLECTORALE

NATIONAL : https://www.facebook.com/events/885031191552272/

ANTIGONISH : https://www.facebook.com/events/977908325676436/

*CALGARY: https://www.facebook.com/events/1646785405622746/

*EDMONTON: https://www.facebook.com/events/1195527620565628/

*GUELPH: https://www.facebook.com/events/590534384481465/

KINGSTON: https://www.facebook.com/events/252491181828723/

MONTRÉAL : https://www.facebook.com/events/1022111041266543/

NELSON:

https://en-ca.pricett.com/a/nelson-rally-for-proportional-representation-noon-feb-11/9458569

ORILLIA: https://www.facebook.com/events/361765157513349/

OTTAWA: https://www.facebook.com/events/459836840807249/

TORONTO: https://www.facebook.com/events/1406689206008564/

ST JOHN’S: https://www.facebook.com/events/283647058718248/

VICTORIA: https://www.facebook.com/events/431527190572187/

*WOLFVILLE: https://www.facebook.com/events/1398537953513313/

*WATERLOO REGION (Kitchener) https://www.facebook.com/events/1371976016188409/

*Recently added

February 26, 2017 / le 26 février 2017

VANCOUVER: https://www.facebook.com/events/232194567241043/

The twitter hashtags are #NotSoTrueDeau #PerformOnReform and, of course, #ERRE and #cdnpoli

Mon, 2017-03-20 18:04

#344

NorthReport

What did the police do this as marijuana is about to be legalized?

Jodie Emery Quits Liberals, Says They Lied on Pot Promise

Last week’s arrest in Toronto the last straw for marijuana activist.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/03/17/Jodie-Emery-Quits-Liberals/

Mon, 2017-03-20 22:24

(Reply to #344) #345

Cody87

I am pessimistic about whether the Liberals will follow through on their pot promise (supposed to be legal a month from now from what I heard this time last year), however I can't say I fully agree with Jodie on this. Even if pot had been decriminalized (which can be worse than illegal in cases where decrim is enforced but illegal isn't - fines in decrim jurisdictions disproportionately affect minorities), that still would not give her license to supply it - decrim applies to users, not dealers.

And of course the government is going to regulate it like alcohol. Jodie is trying to manufacture outrage by pretending that wasn't clear or obvious - I guess because it hurts her business?

Tue, 2017-03-21 13:55

#346

kropotkin1951

I think the Emery's were blinded by the potential profits and got conned by the Liberals. The Liberals are about to institute a regime where you can buy both medicinal and recreational pot but only from large corporations. So London Drugs and liquor stores become outlets. After a few months the RCMP will begin the process of raiding all the mom and pop grow-ops that used to be licensed. They will then claim to have fullfilled their promise.

Yes I am a cynic when to comes to the LIberal's

Tue, 2017-03-21 19:28

#347

mark_alfred

Trudeau is getting ready to do some more elbowing.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/tories-accuse...

Wed, 2017-03-29 12:40

#348

NDPP

Federal Government Called 'Irresponsible' For Skipping Upcoming Disarmament Talks

http://bit.ly/2nt0K2d

"A former Canadian ambassador for nuclear disarmament is accusing the Trudeau government of 'irresponsible leadership' as Canada skips out on 'historic' talks at the UN this week.

Douglas Roche, also a former parliamentarian, said in an interview Tuesday that if Canada wants a seat on the UN Security Council it shouldn't be so 'fearful' of the United States..."

Wed, 2017-03-29 13:29

#349

voice of the damned

Cody wrote:

I am pessimistic about whether the Liberals will follow through on their pot promise (supposed to be legal a month from now from what I heard this time last year)

Actually, from what I recall, last year the Liberals announced that in spring of 2017 they would "begin the process" of legalizing marijuana. But a lot of the media got overly excited and reported things like "Weed will be legal in a few months!!"

So, at this point, no, the Liberals can't be accused of backtracking on the promise. ASSUMING that they actually make the announcement that CBC says they are going to make. (See the earlier bit about media jumping the gun.)

Fri, 2017-03-31 00:58

#350

mark_alfred

Beyond just "begin the process".

The Government of Canada has committed to introducing legislation on the legalization and strict regulation of cannabis in spring 2017.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/marijuana/faq.html

Fri, 2017-03-31 10:39

(Reply to #350) #351

voice of the damned

mark_alfred wrote:

Beyond just "begin the process".

The Government of Canada has committed to introducing legislation on the legalization and strict regulation of cannabis in spring 2017.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/marijuana/faq.html

Yes. Introduce the legislation in spring of 2017. It doesn't say when the law will be passed, or even when exactly full implentation will occur.

The Government of Canada has committed to introducing legislation on the legalization and strict regulation of cannabis in spring 2017.

The new legislation would come into force after being passed by Parliament and once regulations have been developed. These regulations would set out the details of a new system for access to cannabis. For example, they would define who could produce and distribute marijuana, standards for labeling and packaging, and important safeguards to restrict access to keep it out of the hands of children

Notice that "once regulations have been developed" is listed separately and after "passed by parliament". So all they were promising then was that a) the legislation will be introduced, b) presumably passed by parliament, and c) at some unknown point after that, regulations will have been fully implemented and the legislation will come into effect. It's all pretty vague, when you actually look at it.

And, to their credit, what they are now promising IS an actual time-line, terminating in a calendar date when you will be able to buy recreational weed legally. Again, that's assuming that they actually make the announcement that the media is telling us they're gonna make, AND that they follow through on the plan outlined in that announcement.

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