New research suggests Rob Ford’s populist appeal could be duplicated across Canada

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It's what EKOS calls an "ordered" view of the world: people questioning the current political status quo, feeling economically and cultural insecure and believing neither they nor their children have a bright future and perhaps might even be slipping backwards.

When people of colour feel this way, which I'm certain they do, it doesn't seem to result in support for the Trumps of the world.  But when white people feel this way then "it's time to Drain the Gravy Train!!"

lol..looking like Mighty Middle reminds me of an old friend. (tt). Ontario election on its way,let's dust through the garbage bin and rehash Rob Ford's faux populism myth. I beleive that my old friend also believed theat Dougie Ford would become the next Donals Trump for Canada.

No thanks. And just like the majority of Canadians saw through Trump's biggest lie masquerading as a progressive. They didn't buy it. Canadians are going to see right through Ford's faux populism.

Federal populism i.e. what passes as progressive in Alberta with faux populist demagogue Ralph Klein does not necessarily mean that's true in Toronto,Montreal or Vancouver...even the Atlantic provinces.

Populism is inherently left wing. Progressive ideas are popular not just to progressives but to Copenhagen chewin Conservatives. Do a poll with questions free of any partisanship that are direct and not made to mislead. All those deals are supported by a majority of Canadians.

An excellent example i when Bernie Sanders does a town hall in the reddest of states and draw crowds and standing ovations. Sanders is the most popular politician in the Untited States.

Populism is prgressive left not regressive right. So I think the OP is DREAMING or tripping his balls off to think Doug Ford would somehow receive the respect a politician like Bernie Sanders enjloys?. LSD is a hell of a drug. (just ask Doug)

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Populism is inherently is left wing. Progressive ideas are popular not just to progressives but to Copenhagen chewin Conservatives. Do a poll with questions free of any partisanship that are direct and not made to dislead. All those deals are supported by a majority of Canadians.

I've heard this many times, and I continue to wonder why, then, the electorate that "loves" progressive ideas keeps voting for parties that don't.

And please, for the love of Gord, no facile answers like "the media" or "false consciousness" or "brainwashing, plain ansd simple!!!"

The "maverick" personality of many right-wing "populists."   They pretend to be angry and against the establishment, until they get elected and further boost the establishement.

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Populism is inherently is left wing. Progressive ideas are popular not just to progressives but to Copenhagen chewin Conservatives. Do a poll with questions free of any partisanship that are direct and not made to dislead. All those deals are supported by a majority of Canadians.

I've heard this many times, and I continue to wonder why, then, the electorate that "loves" progressive ideas keeps voting for parties that don't.

And please, for the love of Gord, no facile answers like "the media" or "false consciousness" or "brainwashing, plain ansd simple!!!"

Because progressives don't understand how to communicate with them. Progressives focus on identity politics and political theories and the evils of capitalism and neoliberalism. The left of Quebec refused to drop sovereignty. Most people don't want to destroy the system. They don't want upheaval. Occupy started off great but when they started embracing everyone's causes it became unfocused.

It's like the Leap Manifesto which put indigeneous rights first and foremost. 

New data from the National Household Survey (NHS) show that 1,400,685 people had an Aboriginal identity in 2011, representing 4.3% of the total Canadian population. Aboriginal people accounted for 3.8% of the population enumerated in the 2006 Census, 3.3% in the 2001 Census and 2.8% in the 1996 Census.Sep 15, 2016

The other 95% of the population never read beyond the first few sentences if that. Great plan. Worst sales job ever. 

There is no need to study to support the right. No need for a college education. They keep their sales pitches short and to the point. 

Mr. Magoo 

When was last time a NDP leader ran bernie sanders or corbyn style campaign?  I don't remember in my voting years of that on that happening.  When was the last time a NDP leader on campaign talked about socialism? When has a NDP talked about that rich will pay (a lot) for expanding services for everyone else.  Those kind candidates are weeded in the process as being too radical for the population to take.  The people that run the party risk averse.  Lets run a populist campaign and see if it works.  I agree with the report there is a lot people who are worried that they falling behind and are economically insecure.  I thought that populism was dead in until the recession started.  I am more happy to rethink that.  

The Ford Nation coalition. LMAOROF  WTF do you think that is anyways? Do they have membership cards or t-shirts? Thanks for sharing though since I didn't know that voting for a civic politician now makes one part of a unique NATION. LOL

One more thing if a times comes that person like ford can convince that he is for the poor and working poor and that he is working for their interests.  The NDP leadership should resign in mass.  If that kind hoax can be carried out successfully then the NDP useless.  

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The "maverick" personality of many right-wing "populists."

We had "Angry Tom", but nobody calls him a populist.

And The Donald is a rich real-estate investor.  How "GRR-GRR-GRR" angry did he have to pretend to be to be NOT the establishment?

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They pretend to be angry and against the establishment, until they get elected and further boost the establishement.

Then it's totally on the electorate to not keep falling for "I feel your pain".

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Progressives focus on identity politics and political theories and the evils of capitalism and neoliberalism.

OK.  I don't entirely disagree that the platform of the Left seems, at times, to be "watch this 172 minute YouTube video and prepare to be 'woke'".

But how is it that the majority of the electorate can be on board with progressive ideals and actions, but at the same time be tuning out?  Wouldn't it be one or the other? 

Or, if my local progressive candidate is going on and on about some "Xir" and "Xim" identity politics, why can't I just remind myself that they support a fair wage, environmental standards, and decent labour laws?  That's pretty much what I, personally, do.  I don't agree with the NDP on everything, but I agree with them on more things than I agree with any other party on.

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Occupy started off great but when they started embracing everyone's causes it became unfocused.

Just to show I'm a good sport, I agree with this.

"We're about everything!  And nothing!  And every nothing in between!  We're a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, wrapped in vegan bean stew and a $200 North Face down jacket!"

Their historical legacy will be:

1.  We coined the term "the one percent".

2. We held the ball before dropping it because we saw a dozen shiny objects.

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Mighty Middle wrote:

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The Ford Nation coalition. LMAOROF  WTF do you think that is anyways? Do they have membership cards or t-shirts? Thanks for sharing though since I didn't know that voting for a civic politician now makes one part of a unique NATION. LOL

Polling firms have done research on the type of people that are part of Ford Nation. The statistics have been clear, that part of their coalition make up 25% of committed NDP supporters. If you don't believe that, then I guess you can stay in denial...

The "Ford Nation" are people who voted for a Toronto civic politician. It is not a fucking nation or even any kind of movement. Of course I believe that some former NDP voters can become Tory voters or Reformers but calling them part of a "Nation" headed by a third rate Central Canadian municipal hack is laughable. 

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 And The Donald is a rich real-estate investor.  How "GRR-GRR-GRR" angry did he have to pretend to be to be NOT the establishment? 

I don't think "the establishment" is all that happy with him. I think his supporters are somewhat fatalistic. They don't believe their situation is going to improve so they might as well take a chance on him. Even if they don't end up doing better it's a big FU to the establishment. To the Democrats who thought they could shove Clinton down their throats. 

As Seeking noted, when people are desperate they will give the unconventional a shot. 

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Then it's totally on the electorate to not keep falling for "I feel your pain".

I don't think Trump will win a second election. Obama let a lot of people down. Obama care was awesome and all but he still bailed out the banks and Wall Street and people still lost their homes. Clinton was not going to be better. 

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But how is it that the majority of the electorate can be on board with progressive ideals and actions, but at the same time be tuning out?  Wouldn't it be one or the other?  

Because they aren't on board with progressive ideals and actions in general. They are on board with corporations not being able to sue the government and other specifics. At the same time the economy is their number one priority. Conservatives have convinced people they are the best at running the economy, the Liberals are the best at running the economy but with a bit more empathy. The stereotype is the left is so bleeding heart it just wants to give everyone everything which we can't afford. 

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 Or, if my local progressive candidate is going on and on about some "Xir" and "Xim" identity politics, why can't I just remind myself that they support a fair wage, environmental standards, and decent labour laws? 

By focusing on everyones' injustices the left falls into the stereotype set up by the right that that they aren't "realistic", that they would pass laws that would harm the economy. The Trudeau platform included environmental standards. Wynne is raising minimum wage. People aren't paying that close attention. Elections are literally decided in the last two weeks. Everyone is in the running in Ontario. I bet Wynne wins again not because people are happy with her but because they aren't convinced anyone else would do better. 

Singh seems to be trying to change the conversation. I hope that is what he is doing by focusing on income inequality. 

I've a heard a part of Doug Ford's speech and he has no other ideas besides tax cuts.   I don't understand how anyone still believes that "tax cuts" is somehow a cure-all.  Haven't we all been there before multiple times??  Tax cuts will not solve income inequality.  They will worsen it.

The right-wing "populist" revolution is the biggest hoax of the 21st century.  Those people are supposedly upset that corporations are shipping jobs overseas, so they elect right-wing corporate politicians who will give corporations even more tax breaks and even more unrestricted power.    Bozo "logic".

I'm pretty certain Mighty Middle is terrytowel.

Hey,there's an Ontario provincial election coming up. Let's sludge through the sewer and rehash Rob Ford's faux populism from years before.

Provincial populism and federal populism are 2 different things. In Alberta it was Ralph Klein -- that populism began and ended inside Alberta's borders. That kind of populism would never fly in Quebec,Ontario or BC.

Populism is in reality,progressive and lefty. It's no wonder why Bernie Sanders is still America's most popular politician. His populism is even popular in some of America's reddest states. But the DNC decided to rig the pimaries in favour of Clinton who was most popular in her own head. The DNC's fraud in the election is what's to blame for Orange Hitler . His election win was sealed with his commercaial ads were very leftist. He almost sounded like Bernie,promising not to touch Medicare,Medicaid and Social Security,how he was going to tear up all the free trade deals and bring American jobs back to America. That's the moment I knew he had the election locked up. If he had a run where he was truthful of what a Trump government would look like,even Clinton would have mopped him off the floor, 

Bernie would have mopped the floor with him with the ease of stealing candy from an infant's mouth if he was rightfully given the Democrat leadership.

The fact that Canadians were lured by the irresistable populist message the Liberals ran on (but so far have done next to nothing with that popularity). Left leaning meat and potatoes,on the level politics and policies that proved to resonate with Canadians who clearly have an appetite for progressive change.

Dougie Ford is a populist that would spread out lf the GTA? lol..my first laugh. That Doug Ford is Canada's most popular poltician? lol. That he has the power,not only to easily win Ontario but would do so across Canada? lol

Another Ontario election and here comes people bringing in the very bottom of the sewer with dreams of Ford Nation. Dusted off the poltical waste bucket.

I believe the OP is tripping his balls off. LSD is a hell of a drug (just ask Doug)

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alan smithee wrote:

LSD is a hell of a drug. (just ask Doug)

Doug was allegedly selling Hashish not LSD

Trust me. Ask him. Just because he sold hash doesnt mean he didn't screw around with other drugs. I cxould write a theseis on everyone from my generation,especially those,like myself,who sold nickel pieces at school to support my drug culture.

What's so outlandish about Dougie dropping acid? His brother was a crackhead ffs.

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 The fact that Canadians were lured by the irresistable populist message the Liberals ran on (but so far have done next to nothing with that popularity). Left leaning meat and potatoes,on the level politics and policies that proved to resonate with Canadians who clearly have an appetite for progressive change.

Progressive change if it doesn't threaten the economy, jobs, or raise taxes on individuals. The right wing boogie men. Trudeau took it in the end but I will never forget that both Harper and Mulcair had a shot in 2015. 

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A perfect Canadian example would be Jack Layton. Drive home your pllicies without talking down to everyone and talking in a relatable manner (not the normal ' I got an A in Public Speaking' timbre) and make your party stand out as the party that will get results done  for us measily 95% ers,

Yes. So far, sounds like Jagmeet Singh although we won't hear much on policy for awhile yet although we should get an idea of direction from the up-coming convention.  Not long now, it starts February 16th. 

Bernie would have mopped the floor with him with the ease of stealing candy from an infant's mouth if he was rightfully given the Democrat leadership.

I'm not so sure Sanders would have won.  For every "blue collar" voter he took back, he would have lost a suburban upper middle class voter who couldn't stomach Trump personally, but found Clinton unthreatening.  And anti-Semitism may have come out of the woodwork.  Not to mention that wall street and the corporate media would have pulled out all the stops to defeat him.

Aren't suburbs wealthier on average than city dwellers?   They are not really the group that's  in "crisis".   For those groups that are crisis, con tax cuts will not make a difference.  Everything about that "study" screams rebranded con propaganda.

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Bernie would have mopped the floor with him with the ease of stealing candy from an infant's mouth if he was rightfully given the Democrat leadership.

I'm not so sure Sanders would have won.  For every "blue collar" voter he took back, he would have lost a suburban upper middle class voter who couldn't stomach Trump personally, but found Clinton unthreatening.  And anti-Semitism may have come out of the woodwork.  Not to mention that wall street and the corporate media would have pulled out all the stops to defeat him.

Clinton took almost no support in the suburbs-Trump won those areas overwhelmingly.

Mr. Magoo, I think it just might be the opposite.   The corporate media keeps telling people that tolerance of different cultures and sexualities is okay, but socialism just "doesn't work."

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The corporate media keeps telling people that tolerance of different cultures and sexualities is okay

People don't decide whether "Adam and Steve" is OK based on the newspaper.

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but socialism just "doesn't work."

What success stories should the media talk about?  Venezuela?  The former Soviet Union?

I wouldn't mind more stories about social democracy, though.  Plenty of success there.  The same problem remains, though -- Sweden, for example, doesn't have the same moral history as, say, the U.S.  So even if a much higher standard of living is the reward, not criminalizing addicts is too steep a price to pay, for some.

Even here in pretty-good Canada we have people losing their minds over sex-ed in schools.  Do you think they're voting Conservative because some economist in the Globe and Mail defends laissez-faire capitalism?

Mr Magoo, sure they do.  Once you put human faces on the "others," they become human.  The same-sex marriage debate happened more than 10 years ago.   And more than two-thirds of the population support it.   I'm not sure why you brought up same-sex marriage as one of the supposed reasons for failures of the left, and for the rise of the right-wing populism.  Even the CPC is no longer campaigning against same-sex marriage.

And yes, social democracy, like in Scandivania, could use more exposure here.  They have the highest standard of living and highest level of happiness there.

The concept of "elites" was twisted by right-wingers to essentially mean University educated, lawyers, intelligentsia, etc.   Those are NOT the kind of elites who are stealing from the middle class and the working poor.