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Sat, 2018-03-17 15:27

Left Turn

Indigenous groups lead protest against Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain pipeline plan

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Thousands of people gathered in Burnaby, B.C., this weekend to participate in a First Nations-led protest against Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

Indigenous leaders beat drums and sang out against the project Saturday morning, saying they won't step aside for construction.

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Rueben George of the Tsleil-Waututh First Nation told protesters that it will take more rallies and protests to stop the $7.4-billion project, which is set to increase the flow of oil products from 300,000 barrels to 890,000 barrels per day.

"It's going to take gatherings such as this ... [to] make sure the environment is not laid to waste and taken away from future generations. This is what we stand for today," George said, speaking by megaphone to the crowd gathered outside Burnaby's Lake City Way Skytrain station.

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Burnaby RCMP said 5,000 people took part in the anti-pipeline protest, though estimates from the protesters were much higher.

Sat, 2018-03-17 15:16

#503

Left Turn

Opponents of Kinder Morgan pipeline call out media's false equivalency in coverage of demonstrations

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There's an unusual clarification at the bottom of a recent CBC News web story about two pipeline demonstrations in Metro Vancouver.

"A previous version of this story gave coverage to the pro-pipeline rally that was disproportionate based on the number of people who attended it," the tagline states. "The story has been updated to more accurately reflect both sides of the debate."

On Saturday, pro-pipeline forces rounded up about 200 people to come to Jack Poole Plaza to express support for Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion project. Some were brought in from Alberta and northeastern B.C.

It occurred on the same day that several thousand people gathered in Burnaby to oppose the project.

Some clever spin doctors likely dreamed up this tactic of holding a pro-pipeline demo downtown so they would generate media coverage to offset the much larger protest in Burnaby.

It worked. Broadcast outlets, including CBC, ran the "duelling demonstration" stories side-by-side.

This occurred even though the number of participants at each rally wasn't even close.

It created a false equivalency in the minds of viewers and listeners, which generated a backlash on social media.

CBC has since responded by running a clarification. The public broadcaster deserves credit for addressing the issue.

But by that point, the pro-pipeline forces had already achieved their objective.

There's another way of covering the pipeline project

Rather than getting caught up in writing pro- or anti- demonstration stories on Saturday, I chose instead to focus on the one issue that the mainstream media is largely overlooking in its Kinder Morgan coverage: climate change.

It's shocking how little attention this receives in all the column inches and airtime devoted to the project.

Greenhouse gas emissions associated with the pipeline just don't seem to interest most journalists, particularly in central Canada.

This is despite last year's record forest-fire season in B.C., massive flooding in the Okanagan, weird rainfall patterns in Ontario, and gigantic hurricanes pounding Houston and Florida. Are they oblivious to this? Simply stupid? In denial? Or too worried that if they talk about climate change, they'll attract the wrath of their bosses?

My commentary carried this title: "Protect the Inlet is really about preventing future generations from enduring climate hell".

Those who want the pipeline to be completed, including Alberta premier Rachel Notley, might say that this is a one-sided way of looking at this issue.

But unfortunately for them, there's no false equivalency with climate change.

It's happening and it's likely going to kill a lot of people around the world this year.

It's time the media started educating people about this.

Sat, 2018-03-17 15:20

#504

Left Turn

Protesters back at Kinder Morgan pipeline site, a day after court banned them

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Protesters were back in Burnaby Friday attempting to stop construction on the contentious Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, just a day after a B.C. Supreme Court judge granted the operator an injunction.

In videos posted to social media, demonstrators said they were standing outside the “injunction zone,” on Underhill Avenue. One woman had chained herself using metal tubing to a dump truck believed to be owned by Kinder Morgan.

According to Facebook group Burnaby Mountain Updates, RCMP arrived, removed the protester from the truck and placed her in handcuffs.

Mon, 2018-04-09 11:40

#505

epaulo13

Mon, 2018-04-09 14:49

#506

Mobo2000

Yes, absolutely great news! And great to see you posting again epaulo!

Mon, 2018-04-09 14:55

#507

epaulo13

txs mobo.

TheTarsandsTrial.ca

..2.33 min video

Tar Sands Trial: BLCN vs. Alberta and Canada

Mon, 2018-04-09 15:05

#508

Pondering

This is great news:

http://nationalpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-sands-face-major-blow-as-...

Alberta is “prepared to do whatever it takes” to get the project finished, including becoming an investor in Trans Mountain, Premier Rachel Notley said at a press conference in the province’s legislature in Edmonton on Sunday....

“The project is critical to Canada and the future of its oil and gas industry,” Alex Pourbaix, chief executive officer of oilsands producer Cenovus Energy Inc., said in a statement. “If the rule of law is not upheld and this project is allowed to fail, it will have a chilling effect on investment not just in British Columbia, but across the entire country.”

They are trying to scare up support, literally. It will discourage oil investors. It won't discourage any others, at least not ones that we want. There was a mining company that balked when we wouldn't let them bring in all their workers from China.

They are desperate. Trudeau convinced them he could get it through by linking investment in environmental protection to Transmountain going through. That was supposed to be enough to satisfy the moderates weakening opposition or making opponents look unreasonable because they are unwilling to negotiate to find a compromise.

Trudeau didn't know how true his words were when he said "Only communities can grant permission." Burnaby has not granted permission.

It will be interesting to watch his next moves. I think Trudeau is furious. The NDP and Greens banding together to run BC has changed the landscape. Alberta is demanding he "do something" but there is nothing he can do short of sending in the army. I am so enjoying this showdown. I believe the protesters of BC will match Quebec's success in discouraging "investment".

Mon, 2018-04-09 15:41

#509

epaulo13

Mon, 2018-04-09 15:52

#510

epaulo13

After relentless protests, Kinder Morgan slams brakes on spending for Trans Mountain pipeline expansion

Energy giant Kinder Morgan has blinked in the face of relentless opposition from British Columbia to its plans to build a major oil pipeline.

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The remarks came one day after a protest by Indigenous leaders and environmental activists drove the company to suspend activities for the day. Close to 200 people have been arrested at the site of a Kinder Morgan terminal in the metro Vancouver suburb of Burnaby, B.C., in an attempt to stop construction activity from proceeding.

The statement noted that the company had support from the federal government and the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan, but that it was facing "active opposition" from the government of British Columbia....

Mon, 2018-04-09 16:09

#511

epaulo13

First Nations protester disrupts Trudeau’s Vancouver fundraiser, calls him ‘liar’

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s visit to Vancouver on Thursday was once again the stage for the on-going discourse — and vocal discord — on pipeline politics.

While protesters opposed to Kinder Morgan’s pipeline marched from the Vancouver Art Gallery to the Sheraton Wall Centre where Liberal donors sat down for a $1,000-a-plate dinner to hear Canada’s leader praise the Liberals and their supporters.

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At that point, Cedar George-Parker of the Tsleil Waututh First Nation, who bought a discounted $250 youth ticket, stood up from his table and interrupted Trudeau’s speech.

“That’s a lie. Justin Trudeau, you are a weak leader,” George-Parker shouted, catching Trudeau off-guard who attempted to ignore him by continuing with his speech. “This pipeline is not happening. The youth will stand up and stop you.”

“You lie to our people,” George-Parker continued, referring to the North Vancouver First Nation that has been at the forefront of action against Kinder Morgan’s TransMountain pipeline. “You lie to the people of Vancouver.”

When Trudeau’s security entourage moved in on Georger-Parker, he raised his hands and told them that he will leave peacefully. He was escorted out without a struggle while rapping “Raindrops, Drop Tops. Smokin' on cookie in the hotbox,” the first two lines of “Bad and Boujee” by American rap group Migos.

Once outside, George-Parker addressed the remaining pipeline protesters with much the same commentary as in the Grand Ballroom of the hotel.

“We will do his job for him,” George-Parker told reporters while repeating that Trudeau was a weak leader. “The youth will stand up and stop this pipeline.”

After the interruption, Trudeau doubled down on his party’s environmental efforts and likened the approach by pipeline opponents as a remnant of the mentality of former Prime Minister Stephen Harper. For Trudeau, both protecting the environment and extracting fossil fuels from Alberta’s north are possible....

Mon, 2018-04-09 16:30

#512

epaulo13

Canada Moving to Exempt Majority of New Oilsands Projects From Federal Assessments

After more than a year of public hearings, the federal government unveiled its new and improved environmental assessment legislation in February 2018 with much ado.

But the new rules — designed to restore public trust in Canada’s process for reviewing major projects — didn’t contain any details on what kinds of projects would trigger a review under the new legislation.

Environment Minister Catherine McKenna skirted the issue, saying her ministry was still evaluating what kinds of activities would show up on a yet-to-be-released “project list” that was pending further consultation with Canadians.

But when pressed on the issue, McKenna told reporters she didn’t believe oilsands projects developed via in-situ methods should be included. McKenna reasoned that because Alberta already has a hard cap on emissions, future oilsands projects would be exempt from federal environmental review.

The implications of excluding new oilsands projects because of a provincial emissions cap (which is controversial) weren’t lost on Adam Scott, senior advisor with Oil Change International.

“It’s just appalling,” Scott told DeSmog Canada in an interview. “There’s no other way to say it.”

Unlike the more familiar open-pit mines of the Alberta oilsands, in-situ projects extract the region’s viscous bitumen by injecting steam into the ground, which softens the oil that is then pumped to the surface.

In-situ development represents the future of the oilsands. Between 2016 and 2040, in-situ is expected to double in daily production reaching 2.9 million barrels per day.

And while the process is less visible than its open-pit counterpart, in-situ oilsands mining has greater greenhouse gas emissions and significant land disturbance that clashes with the rights of local Indigenous peoples.

NDP MP Linda Duncan said by not releasing the project list the federal government has left everyone in the dark.....

Mon, 2018-04-09 18:22

#513

epaulo13

Why Don’t Governments Limit Oil Production to Meet Climate Targets?

The climate change component of Canada’s oil pipeline debate largely revolves around two big questions: should our country restrict the production of fossil fuels? And, if it does, does that mean other jurisdictions will just produce more and fill the gap?

This argument to restrict production is often called “supply side environmentalism” and it’s been pretty unpopular with economists and pundits who warn against restrictive supply-side policies as inefficient and overly moralistic.

But climate policy experts Fergus Green (of the London School of Economics) and Richard Denniss (of the Australia Institute) are questioning that.

In their new paper for the journal Climatic Change the pair contend that policies such as supply bans, production quotas, supply taxes and subsidy reductions for fossil fuels should most certainly be part of the policy picture.

Here’s a breakdown of some of the key points in their piece, “Cutting with both arms of the scissors: the economic and political case for restrictive supply-side climate policies.”

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For instance, policies enacted in Australia to reduce tobacco use include everything from banning the production or selling of tobacco without a licence, restrictions on advertising and sponsorships, heavy taxation on consumption, limitations on where you can actually smoke and plain packaging laws. While clearly different than fossil fuel production, such a policy mix attempts to curb use by attacking both supply and demand.

Mon, 2018-04-09 18:33

#514

Mr. Magoo

If the production of gasoline is artificially hobbled, wouldn't that result in only the fairly wealthy being able to drive? All it can possibly do, besides restrict the amount of gas that can be used in a year, is ensure that only those who can afford to pay the new price for it get to burn it.

Of course we could also, theoretically, consider making fossil fuels available at a modest price for (say) public transit and/or taxis, and make it impossibly pricey for regular drivers. Any political party that wants to be banished to the woods for the next 10 general elections should propose that.

Mon, 2018-04-09 20:04

#515

Martin N.

No one has mentioned the price inflation of every commodity due to energy inputs cost increases. While an individual consumer may think they are unaffected because they live in a walk up garret and ride a bicycle to the green grocer, that Mexican tomato or organic kale is likely not arriving by bicycle.

In the event that Alberta stops the flow of oil to BC, the price surge and shortages will be devastating. Of course, those nice people in Washington State will be glad to supply fuel to BC in the short term. They are so nice that they will not take advantage of a captive market......will they? There is no barge or tanker unloading facility for such fuel so it must be trucked.

Mon, 2018-04-09 20:19

#516

Pondering

B.C. says it is going to ask the courts to decide if it can legally regulate against increased oil flows through pipelines. Alberta and the federal government insist it cannot. Horgan says he will frame a question to the court to decide the issue.

Canada considered asking the Supreme Court for a jurisdictional ruling earlier this year, but opted not to because it would have implied there was doubt about jurisdiction, when federal officials say there is none.

http://nationalpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-sands-face-major-blow-as-...

The B.C. government, led by Premier John Horgan, took power in July 2017 pledging to employ “every tool” available to thwart the expansion. Since then, it has hired a former Supreme Court judge to advise in its legal fight against the project and has also proposed restricting future shipments of oil-sands crude.

It seems in the opinion of a former Supreme Court Judge BC does have the right to apply for a ruling from the Supreme Court.

A reference also would have taken at least a year, possibly two, with the project hanging in the balance in the interim.

That is why investors are pulling out. There is a possibility that BC does have the jurisdictional power to stop the pipeline, they at least have the right to request a ruling from the Supreme Court, but they haven't formulated their question yet. So add the time it takes them to formulate their question to the delay.

Brian Lee Crowley, managing director of the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa...

He said he doesn't think ultimately federal financing will drive this project to completion."This has now become an issue of if the law prevails in Canada or if angry minorities can prevail," said Crowley.

The law is prevailing. Appealing to the Supreme Court for rulings on contentious issues is lawful. In Canada the angry minority of Indigenous peoples are also acting within the law.

This has become an issue of whether or not the people of a province can prevail against the federal government on measures to protect their land and environment. Any attempt to deny them that right will cause a constitutional crisis. B.C. could easily separate from Canada if they so choose.

Mon, 2018-04-09 20:26

#517

Pondering

I don't think Notley can prevent private companies from providing oil or gas to BC. It is bluster because it will hurt Alberta as much or more than BC. The wine boycott was a flop because she couldn't stop stores from buying it.

Neither Trudeau nor Notley can force the pipeline through in the short term.

Mon, 2018-04-09 21:37

#518

epaulo13

Mon, 2018-04-09 22:05

#519

NDPP

ps re above - Oka was in 1990, not 1993

In Orchestrated Ploy, Kinder Morgan Announces Halt to All But Non-Essential Work on Trans Mountain Tar Sands Pipeline Expansion

http://rogerannis.com/in-orchestrated-ploy-kinder-morgan-announces-halt-...

"...As reported in the Financial Post, Kinder Morgan President and CEO Steve Kean told an April 8 conference call, 'We expect to continue investing but it has become clear that this particular investment may become untenable for a private party to undertake.'

The announcement was welcomed by liberal environmentalists as a sign that the pipeline project is in deep trouble. But something else is at play here..."

Kinder Morgan Threatens To Pull Plug on TMP; Alberta Goes Wild

http://albertapolitics.ca/2018/04/kinder-morgan-threatens-to-pull-plug-o...

"...Lost in yesterday's hysteria, meanwhile, was the fact many savvy observers of the oil industry have been saying for months the economics of the pipeline expansion were dubious and predicting that even without protests and talk of BC environmental legislation, Kinder Morgan would look for a way to walk away from the deal with its corporate pride intact."

Tue, 2018-04-10 09:15

#520

epaulo13

..this piece doesn't mention it but it's also very much a matter of indigenous rights and the related government obligations. consciously ignored by the powers that be..but really this colonization issue is front and center. everybody knows this!

Trudeau government to hold emergency cabinet meeting in bid to save Texas company's pipeline

Faced with an escalating battle between British Columbia and Alberta as well as a spooked investment community, federal cabinet ministers will gather Tuesday for an emergency meeting in search of a way to convince Kinder Morgan to go forward with its Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

The House of Commons is in the middle of a two-week break, during which times cabinet rarely meets. But ministers are hightailing it back to Ottawa to try and salvage the pipeline project they green-lighted 17 months ago.

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Legal, regulatory and financial options are all being considered, Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr said Monday. And Prime Minister Justin Trudeau described a long conversation Sunday with Horgan in which he told him not to intervene in an area of federal jurisdiction.

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The Conservatives also want Trudeau to sit down with Horgan. The prime minister was in Victoria last week, but Horgan was away in Kamloops; the pair haven't sat down in the same room since last fall.

Melanee Thomas, a politics professor at the University of Calgary, said provinces have very little legal ability to force other provinces to take action. She said Notley's plan to give Alberta the ability to restrict B.C.'s oil supply may not be constitutional, but likely can't be challenged unless and until she actually goes through with it.

"There isn't really a court challenge there until they pull the trigger, but it's still ratcheting up the fight," said Thomas.

Brian Lee Crowley, managing director of the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa, said the federal Liberals are up against the wall — they have alienated some of their environmental supporters by backing the pipeline, and could end up with nothing to show for it.

Crowley called it a "no-win situation" for Trudeau politically, but one that may be beyond politics now.

"This has now become an issue of if the law prevails in Canada or if angry minorities can prevail."

Tue, 2018-04-10 09:36

#521

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

You people keep trashing and blaming Trudeau when Notley is the bigger schill for pipelines. What,she's excluded becuase she's a supposed New Democrat? She's proving to be as right wing as the old Wild Rose Party.

And don't hand me the excuse that she's only protecting Alberta's interests. If that's the case,Trudeau is only protecting Canadian interests.

Sheesh.

Tue, 2018-04-10 10:14

#522

NorthReport

Do you ever listen to what Trudeau actually says?

People can understand if not appreciate Notley being the Premier of Canada’oil patch that she has to say the things she does. No one is going to get elected in Alberta saying otherwise

But Trudeau’s nonsense about this pipeline being in Canada’s national interest but communities decide is Liberal doublespeak at its best

Tue, 2018-04-10 11:28

(Reply to #522) #523

Pondering

alan smithee wrote:

You people keep trashing and blaming Trudeau when Notley is the bigger schill for pipelines. What,she's excluded becuase she's a supposed New Democrat? She's proving to be as right wing as the old Wild Rose Party.

And don't hand me the excuse that she's only protecting Alberta's interests. If that's the case,Trudeau is only protecting Canadian interests.

Sheesh.

Only people living in Alberta have any control over who they elect as premier and there is no one to vote for that would be counter to the pipeline.

Oh wait, that's true federally as well if we are referring to the 3 main parties.

Tue, 2018-04-10 11:48

#524

Martin N.

Also, the KM dispute is not between BC and Alberta it is between anti-pipeline activists in BC who are still in the minority and proponents of the project. The pose that the antis represent BC is a fantasy perpetuated by a pliable media.

The KM issue is far from over. KM's latest announcement is a cunning ploy to galvanize support for the project and it will work. The antis make a lot of noise and generate press coverage but the support for KM is quietly coalescing into concrete action.

Tue, 2018-04-10 11:45

(Reply to #524) #525

Martin N.

epaulo13 wrote:

But Caledonia was how the rule of law is supposed to work?

Tue, 2018-04-10 11:55

#526

NorthReport

As Premier Horgan says about 57% of B.C. voters voted for the NDP and the Greens so the BC NDP government is just doing what the majority of BC voters want by opposing the KM pipeline expansion with the increased tanker traffic and the enhanced risked in Burrard Inlet and the Salish Sea

Tue, 2018-04-10 12:27

#527

epaulo13

Judge says Elizabeth May and other pipeline protesters should face criminal charges

A B.C. Supreme Court judge says the Crown should consider laying criminal contempt of court charges against Green party Leader Elizabeth May and dozens of other demonstrators alleged to have violated a pipeline court injunction.

May, New Democrat MP Kennedy Stewart, and others arrested last month are currently charged with civil contempt of court over allegations that they protested within five metres of two Trans Mountain sites in Burnaby, B.C....

Tue, 2018-04-10 13:40

#528

epaulo13

..3 min video

Trans Mountain pipeline opponents not ready to pack up and go home just yet

Water protectors living at the protest camp across from the Kinder Morgan Burnaby Terminal are cautiously optimistic about the oil giant’s announcement that all non-essential work on the Trans Mountain Pipeline are being stopped.

The people at the camp have been hit hard by recent injunctions requested by Kinder Morgan, and some of them have been arrested and done time in jail.

The activists welcome a break in the construction here – but they’re not ready to pack up just yet.

Tue, 2018-04-10 13:51

(Reply to #528) #529

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

You people keep trashing and blaming Trudeau when Notley is the bigger schill for pipelines. What,she's excluded becuase she's a supposed New Democrat? She's proving to be as right wing as the old Wild Rose Party.

And don't hand me the excuse that she's only protecting Alberta's interests. If that's the case,Trudeau is only protecting Canadian interests.

Sheesh.

Only people living in Alberta have any control over who they elect as premier and there is no one to vote for that would be counter to the pipeline.

Oh wait, that's true federally as well if we are referring to the 3 main parties.

That's why calling out one person or one government is a joke. This would be the case with the Consertvatives and,sorry to break it to all,the NDP.

In this instant,only the Greens are solidly against it. And they have ZERO power.

Tue, 2018-04-10 13:51

#530

epaulo13

Ottawa has eight weeks to break the backs of oil tanker opponents. Here’s how they’ll try.

Texas pipeline company Kinder Morgan issued an ultimatum yesterday: give our shareholders confidence that we can build the Trans Mountain oil tanker project, or we’re walking.

Politicians in Ottawa and Alberta leapt into action, only too eager to give the former Enron executives exactly what they want. A veritable siege is now underway that will only grow in ferocity as Kinder Morgan approaches its May 31 decision on whether to pull the plug.

Here are five ways pro-pipeline forces hope to keep the project alive:

1. Convince the B.C. government to flip flop. This will involve threats and inducements, both public and behind the scenes. Ottawa could withhold funding for affordable housing, public transit, oil spill cleanup and more – unless Premier John Horgan buckles.

2. Turn the B.C. public against Horgan. Just as Western countries impose sanctions on rogue states like North Korea, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley has announced her intention to make ordinary British Columbians feel economic pain, so they turn against their leader. She already boycotted B.C. wine– she could launch a similar campaign against tourism or other industries. She could stop trains and trucks coming across the Rockies for “inspection.” Or she could try to cut off the supply of refined fuel to the Lower Mainland, which is already struggling with high gas prices. The petroleum producers hate the idea and it’s probably illegal, but it might be good to line up a carpool either way.

3. Turn Green MLAs against Horgan. This could include trying to drive a wedge on Site C, LNG, Proportional Representation – any issue where the feds see a bit of daylight between Green leader Andrew Weaver and the NDP Premier. The more Weaver talks about bringing down the government over the next eight weeks, the weaker Horgan’s position.

4. Pump cash into Kinder Morgan. Notley already announced “Alberta is prepared to be an investor in the pipeline.” Jason Kenney’s Conservatives are loudly in support. That’s right, Alberta’s anti-tax crusaders want a big taxpayer bailout for a foreign company. Through loan guarantees, government investment or other subsidies, Ottawa and Alberta can try to keep the project afloat with your tax dollars – beyond the point at which the market would otherwise kill it.

5. Minimize, ignore and deny Indigenous rights. So far Kinder Morgan’s focus is entirely on the B.C. government. They’re not talking about the Squamish, the Tsleil-Waututh, Coldwater or other First Nations currently challenging the project in court. And they’re certainly not talking about communities all along the project route who vow to stop construction on their territories. Expect Ottawa to continue this charade, ignoring the clear contradiction between violating Indigenous consent and its lofty promises of “reconciliation.”

Tue, 2018-04-10 13:53

(Reply to #530) #531

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Do you ever listen to what Trudeau actually says?

People can understand if not appreciate Notley being the Premier of Canada’oil patch that she has to say the things she does. No one is going to get elected in Alberta saying otherwise

But Trudeau’s nonsense about this pipeline being in Canada’s national interest but communities decide is Liberal doublespeak at its best

You just proved my point,NR. Notley is doing this to save her political skin. So is Trudeau.

Tue, 2018-04-10 14:01

#532

epaulo13

..so is horgan

Tue, 2018-04-10 14:52

#533

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Confirmed bachelor and perennial blowhard,Jason Kenney demands Canada cut funding BC if Trans Mountan pipeline is blocked.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/if-b-c-doesn-t-back-down-canada-should-c...

Let's wait and see if Notley parrots him.

Tue, 2018-04-10 16:19

#534

NorthReport

I doubt any of that will come to pass as BCers will stand up for their Coast!

Tue, 2018-04-10 16:35

#535

epaulo13

Tue, 2018-04-10 17:56

#536

NorthReport

Hey Chicken Little, the sky is falling.

Talk about being melodramatic. How absurd!

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-failure-to-push-through-tran...

Tue, 2018-04-10 18:34

#537

NorthReport

Naomi Klein braves storm to protest Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/04/07/news/naomi-klein-braves-stor...

Tue, 2018-04-10 19:41

#538

epaulo13

..the neb is a perfect example. 8.5 min video.

Is the Oil Industry Canada's 'Deep State'?

Justin Trudeau and Canada's political elite are fighting for the Tar Sands and oil industry's interests, even if it means that Canada misses its climate targets. We speak to Kevin Taft, ex-Liberal Party politician and author of 'Oil's Deep State.'

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KEVIN TAFT: I wanted to give it a little bit of academic structure. So I linked it to the notion of institutional capture, which has a very long history in literature in which agencies of one kind of another set up to serve the public interest, regulators or government departments, or so on, end up serving the private interest instead of the public interest.

KEVIN TAFT: When that happens, democracy stops being democratic. What you end up with is an appearance of democracy, but really it's a state within a state.

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PAUL JAY: In Alberta, with the election of the NDP Rachel Notley government in 2015, the power of the oil industry was witnessed in how quickly the new premiere became a champion of its interests.

KEVIN TAFT: Through her whole career and her whole party up until they became government were very effective critics, counterbalances to the oil industry. As soon as she stepped into office, as soon as she and her party became government, they've simply became instruments of the oil industry, in my view.

ADAM SCOTT: In real terms, Alberta is on track to dramatically increase its emissions in coming years, regardless of the fact that Alberta government has put in a suite of climate policies.

Tue, 2018-04-10 19:41

(Reply to #538) #539

Pondering

Martin N. wrote:

Also, the KM dispute is not between BC and Alberta it is between anti-pipeline activists in BC who are still in the minority and proponents of the project. The pose that the antis represent BC is a fantasy perpetuated by a pliable media.

The KM issue is far from over. KM's latest announcement is a cunning ploy to galvanize support for the project and it will work. The antis make a lot of noise and generate press coverage but the support for KM is quietly coalescing into concrete action.

So far I'm hearing a lot of bluster not seeing concrete action. I doubt the threats will come to much. BC hasn't done anything but say they are going to ask the Supreme Court for a ruling.

Tue, 2018-04-10 19:47

#540

NorthReport

Of course they do!

Trans Mountain or Not, Alberta Has Some Oil Shipping Alternatives

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-10/trans-mountain-or-no-...

Tue, 2018-04-10 19:55

#541

NorthReport

My hunch is that it will be shipped out not through Vancouver, which is the dumbest place on the planet to attempt something like this!

Tue, 2018-04-10 20:07

#542

NorthReport

Kinder’s Pipeline Pause Puts Pressure on Trudeau to Act, Somehow

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-09/kinder-s-pipeline-pau...

Tue, 2018-04-10 20:08

#543

NorthReport

As Kinder Wavers, Oil-Rich Alberta Considers Buying Pipeline to Port

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-10/as-kinder-wavers-oil-...

Tue, 2018-04-10 20:11

#544

NorthReport

There are lots of options!

Canadian Crude Is Finding a New Way to Asia Without a Pipeline

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-14/canadian-crude-is-fin...

Tue, 2018-04-10 20:29

#545

NorthReport

Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! How dumb can you be!

‘A lot of strategic stupidity.’ Experts not surprised by pipeline pull back

Kinder Morgan should have learned the importance of community support from the projects that failed before the Trans Mountain expansion, says a leading regulatory expert.

Vancouver—Experts aren’t surprised by Kinder Morgan’s decision to pull back spending on the Trans Mountain expansion, saying it’s “highly unlikely” the pipeline will be built in the face of enduring resistance and limited demand.

After a years-long battle with B.C. municipalities, First Nations and environmentalists, and now the premier — shaking investors’ faith —the company announced it would stall all non-essential spending Sunday.

“There’s a lot of strategic stupidity here,” said regulatory lawyer Bill Gallagher.

Kinder Morgan should have learned the importance of community support from the projects that failed before them, he said, including Enbridge’s Northern Gateway project in northern B.C. or the much earlier McKenzie Valley pipeline. And Sunday’s announcement was a clear sign its Houston boardroom is starting to “blink or lose their nerve” in the face of investors’ concerns.

“They’re so deep into it they have to devise a strategy that allows them to minimize their exposure and cut their losses,” Gallagher, author of the book Resource Rulers: Fortune and Folly on Canada's Road to Resources, told StarMetro Vancouver. “They should have learned from those other project train wrecks: Having rights-of-way along your route is not enough; you have to win the support of communities.”

Kinder Morgan Canada announced Sunday that it is “suspending all non-essential activities and related spending” on its Trans Mountain project to protect shareholders from risk in the face of opposition from the Province of British Columbia. The project would double its existing 1,100 km pipeline and nearly triple the flow of diluted bitumen west. It would also increase the number of oil tankers in the Burrard Inlet sevenfold.

Concerns about the potential for environmental damage from a diluted bitumen spill and increased carbon emissions in the face of climate change have galvanized opposition to the project in B.C. Though the B.C. Liberals supported the project, NDP Premier John Horgan has been clear he’s against it.

https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2018/04/09/a-lot-of-strategic-stupidit...

Wed, 2018-04-11 01:37

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Martin N. wrote:

No one has mentioned the price inflation of every commodity due to energy inputs cost increases. While an individual consumer may think they are unaffected because they live in a walk up garret and ride a bicycle to the green grocer, that Mexican tomato or organic kale is likely not arriving by bicycle.

In the event that Alberta stops the flow of oil to BC, the price surge and shortages will be devastating. Of course, those nice people in Washington State will be glad to supply fuel to BC in the short term. They are so nice that they will not take advantage of a captive market......will they? There is no barge or tanker unloading facility for such fuel so it must be trucked.

Bullshit. The world is awash in oil. We can ship it in from anywhere in the world at a much lower price than the crap they are making in Alberta.

Wed, 2018-04-11 02:04

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Martin N.

NorthReport wrote:

As Premier Horgan says about 57% of B.C. voters voted for the NDP and the Greens so the BC NDP government is just doing what the majority of BC voters want by opposing the KM pipeline expansion with the increased tanker traffic and the enhanced risked in Burrard Inlet and the Salish Sea

So Horgan now speaks for Green voters?

Wed, 2018-04-11 02:07

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NorthReport

What crap from Canada's right-wing mainstream press

The mistake we made in the beginning was in giving resources control to the provinces and that is the reason one part of the country is pitted against another. Combine that with lack of leadership on the environment file from the federal government, and it is no wonder we are in the mess we are in.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/editorials/bcs-horgan-holding-...

Wed, 2018-04-11 02:08

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Martin N.

progressive17 wrote:

Martin N. wrote:

No one has mentioned the price inflation of every commodity due to energy inputs cost increases. While an individual consumer may think they are unaffected because they live in a walk up garret and ride a bicycle to the green grocer, that Mexican tomato or organic kale is likely not arriving by bicycle.

In the event that Alberta stops the flow of oil to BC, the price surge and shortages will be devastating. Of course, those nice people in Washington State will be glad to supply fuel to BC in the short term. They are so nice that they will not take advantage of a captive market......will they? There is no barge or tanker unloading facility for such fuel so it must be trucked.

Bullshit. The world is awash in oil. We can ship it in from anywhere in the world at a much lower price than the crap they are making in Alberta.

Ship it in....tankers? Whatever happened to protecting the beautiful coast of BC?

Wed, 2018-04-11 02:15

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Martin N.

NorthReport wrote:

What crap from Canada's right-wing mainstream press

The mistake we made in the beginning was in giving resources control to the provinces and that is the reason one part of the country is pitted against another. Combine that with lack of leadership on the environment file from the federal government, and it is no wonder we are in the mess we are in.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/editorials/bcs-horgan-holding-...

Yeah, how dare someone voice an opinion you don't agree with. The activist crowd is away wi' the fairies if they think the forces of pipeline progress are not mobilising.

Wed, 2018-04-11 06:52

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Martin N. wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

Martin N. wrote:

No one has mentioned the price inflation of every commodity due to energy inputs cost increases. While an individual consumer may think they are unaffected because they live in a walk up garret and ride a bicycle to the green grocer, that Mexican tomato or organic kale is likely not arriving by bicycle.

In the event that Alberta stops the flow of oil to BC, the price surge and shortages will be devastating. Of course, those nice people in Washington State will be glad to supply fuel to BC in the short term. They are so nice that they will not take advantage of a captive market......will they? There is no barge or tanker unloading facility for such fuel so it must be trucked.

Bullshit. The world is awash in oil. We can ship it in from anywhere in the world at a much lower price than the crap they are making in Alberta.

Ship it in....tankers? Whatever happened to protecting the beautiful coast of BC?

There is a lot less environmental risk in docking once in a while and pumping the shit right into the storage tanks than piping it hundreds of kilometers through watersheds and then into waiting tankers. There would be constant pressure from the shit through the pipeline, making for a much higher risk of a shitloss on the coast and anywhere in between. Oil is extremely toxic to fresh water. A few gallons can kill a whole lake.

Not only that, but there are always spills through pipelines. They use the lowest bidder and the cheapest materials and labour.

You, the oil industry and its shills have had billions go through your hands. You could have built a refinery for it, but instead you paid 15% dividends and bought back stock. The processed oil in the form of gasoline and diesel would have sold for much more, and would have been transported much more safely. And maybe the poor sucker car drivers in Vancouver would have got a break.

You fucked yourselves. We just want to put you out of your misery as soon as possible so you can find real jobs helping people.

No-one but the US buys the tar sands shit anyway (and at a deep discount at that, as it is such crappy shit), so the idea to pipe it to Vancouver/Burnaby is hare-brained at least. It makes no economic sense, as Kinder Morgan is beginning to admit to its shareholders.

If you want government money to go into a shit program like this, you are no better than the Marxist-Leninists who destroyed the Aral Sea.

A large number of Canadians say "fuck the oil industry and the pipeline it oozed in on". Are their democratic sentiments of no concern to you?

Seeing as we can import the shit cheaper than making it domestically, I see no sense at all in a domestic industry. Statistics show that even as the number of cars in Canada is increasing, the amount of gasoline consumed per car is declining. Hitch your wagon to a falling star.

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