Ontario Election June 7, 2018

NorthReport wrote:

Ontario NDP’s Horwath blames Harper for Trans Mountain standoff

The rising contender in Ontario's provincial election also says she would look to cap electricity company profits and not renew some expiring power contracts.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/05/23/news/ontario-ndps-horwath-bl...

And here I beleived Singh, Horgan, Notley and the chorus that it was Trudeau's fault. Notley should forward this to Kenney who was Harper's top dog.

NDPP wrote:

Three Candidates, Three Zionists, One 'Voice for Israel'

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/Thornhill-ont-candidates-debate-how-to...

The 'pro-Israel' voice in Canadian politics is no longer acceptable.

The Liberal candidate is Muslim.

"I entirely oppose the BDS movement." - Kathleen Wynne

Jewish Groups Release Ontario Election Primers Host Local Debates

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/jewish-groups-release-ontario-election...

"...CIJA suggested that candidates be asked if they support Ontario adopting the definition set by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA). That organization's definition of anti-Semitism includes...denying the right of the Jewish people to self determination by claiming Israel's existence is a racist endeavour..."

As is clearly obvious and made manifest by its actions, Israel's existence IS a racist endeavour. As is support for the Apartheid state  and its ongoing crimes of genocide by Canadian politicians of all political stripes. Does YOUR candidate walk with Israel? 

bekayne wrote:

NDPP wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Three Candidates, Three Zionists, One 'Voice for Israel'

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/Thornhill-ont-candidates-debate-how-to...

The 'pro-Israel' voice in Canadian politics is no longer acceptable.

If you had 3 Klan members running you'd be alarmed. Zionism, an ideology for Israel, is no less pernicious and must be removed from our politics. 

The Liberal candidate is Muslim

Yet is parroting the Likudnik line.  

Mighty Middle wrote:

Conservative third party groups (like Ontario Proud) and the Toronto Sun have spent three solid years demonizing and villifying Kathleen Wynne with some of the most misogynist and vicious social media posts and memes. Saying she is the devil and we need to dump the Liberals, Vote her and that party out!

Only instead of turning to the PCs (which these 3rd party Conservative groups and the Toronto Sun wanted to happen), they are rushing to the NDP to get rid of the Liberals. 

All these plans and the groundwork by third party Conservative groups have backfired.

So should Andrea Horwath send them a fruit basket after June 7th as a thanks? They did all the work, and she just rode that wave of anger right into the Premier office.

Seriously?  You're STILL arguing that Horwath and the ONDP haven't done anything to deserve the surge of support they've received?

Look...BEFORE Rob Ford took over as leader, the PC's were 20 points ahead of the Liberals.  There was no chance THEN that Wynne's government was going to be re-elected.

What's happening is that Horwath is winning the argument on policy.  

And if Wynne was unpopular due to misogyny, wouldn't Horwath be the LAST person to benefit from that?  It's misogynist to switch from a party led by a woman...to a party led by a woman?

Look, it's working out.  Ford is being stopped.  He's being stopped because Ontario was never as far to the right as he was an because-contrary to your repeated and now totally discredited slurs-he never had any real appeal to people who had voted ONDP in previous elections.  There may have been a transitory novelty blip in ONE poll, but that's all there ever was.  

What have you got to be angry about?  Isn't it a GOOD thing that a more progressive government is going to come to power?

Why is it that you can't accept that a principled campaign on the issues and the better angels of Ontario's nature is carrying the day?  That there's no injustice in the Liberals being in third place?
 

Mighty Middle wrote:

Conservative third party groups (like Ontario Proud) and the Toronto Sun have spent three solid years demonizing and villifying Kathleen Wynne with some of the most misogynist and vicious social media posts and memes. Saying she is the devil and we need to dump the Liberals, Vote her and that party out!

It seems to me that many premiers and prime ministers become very unpopular during their tenures in office, especially if they're party has been in power for a long time. Wynne's unpopularity was similar or even worse than Richard Nixon's post Watergate! If Wynne wanted to avoid her party's electoral meltdown in this election, why didn't she resign and give her party a chance to continue a very long reign in office much in the same way Premier Don Getty did for the PC's in Alberta in the early 90's?

Is it dissing Horvath to point out that the other two contenders are so bad she doesn't need to campaign? If she hasn't done anything to win that sounds like a good strategy. If your opponents are destroying each other the smartest move is to stand aside and let them have at it.

Sooooo, go Horvath! All she has to say is "You can vote for Wynne, Ford, or me. Your choice."

Mighty Middle wrote:

 

cco wrote:

Ah, of course. It can't be Horwath's own hard work, or the receptiveness of Liberal voters to actual left-wing policies for a change, or any mistakes Wynne made. Horwath's just coasting on the hard work of the Tories.

So how come the past 12 months the NDP wasn't 2nd to the Conservatives? Instead they were stubbornly stuck in 3rd.

Ken Burch wrote:

And if Wynne was unpopular due to misogyny, wouldn't Horwath be the LAST person to benefit from that?  It's misogynist to switch from a party led by a woman...to a party led by a woman?

Mysogyny attacks were more about Wynne sexuality and her looks. They left Horwath alone because the Conservatives needed Horwath ahead of the Liberals to achieve that split vote. But they never imagined Horwath overtaking Ford.

Ontario Proud and the Toronto Sun have spent the past few days aiming their mysogynyst guns on Horwath now. The past three days Horwath has been on the front page, just yesterday conflating Horwath with a "Hitler' headline.

Just like the Liberals took advantage of the anger at Harper. Liberals won that election, thanks to the NDP doing all the heavy lifting in exposing all of Harper misdeeds by Mulcair and NDP MPs in QP.

Ontario NDP is doing the same thing the Federal Liberals did. Only it is Conservative third groups and the Toronto Sun doing all the demonizing. And Horwath is riding that wave, just like Trudeau did in 2015.

The Orange Wave didn't happen until the 2011 campaign was underway.  That doesn't mean Jack Layton didn't work for it.  For that matter, the federal Liberals were twenty points behind the PC's when Pierre Trudeau won the leadership.  Sometimes dramatic swings in opinion happen, and it's not an intrinsic injustice to the party that's the victim of those swings that they DO happen.   

Besides which, the Liberals were solidly behind the Cons throughout the entire Harper minority government years.  There was never any polling in that era that showed that the voters wanted Ignatieff to become prime minister.   It wasn't the NDP's fault that your party collapsed then, it wasn't a Con trick that your party collapsed then, and it isn't now.  In both cases, it was a legitimate swing in popular opinion.  The voters liked the messages of those they swung to, and did not like the messages of those they swung away from.

And it's truly despicable to imply that voters have swung from the OLP to the ONDP out of homophobia(that's the word you meant to use, not misogyny).  The federal and provincial NDP positions on LGBTQ issues are either just as progressive or MORE progressive than those of the federal and provincial Liberal parties.  And in case you've somehow not noticed, there has been strong LGBTQ support for he NDP ever since the days of Svend Robinson, the politician who is truly responsible for most of the anti-discrimination legislation passed federally for LGBTQ people.  It's not as though we're still in 1968, with each party holding the views PET and Tommy Douglas held then.  

Ken Burch wrote:

  For that matter, the federal Liberals were twenty points behind the PC's when Pierre Trudeau won the leadership.

As I never thought Robert Stanfield had any more pizazz than Lester Pearson, I thought I'd check this out, and in fact the last Gallup before PET became leader had the Liberals 7 points ahead among decided voters. Look at February 1968.

https://library.carleton.ca/find/data/gallup-canada

And there is no question that much of the offensive by the right against Wynne has been based on homophobia. How much this has to do with her unpopularity I don't know. However I think you are mistaken when you imply that the average voter knows or cares much about the parties' official policies on LGBTQ issues or other policies for that matter. The personal impression of the leaders matters much more.

 

 

Mighty Middle wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Stephen Harper survives a non-confidence vote (brought in by the Liberals) in 2009 thanks to a deal he struck with Jack Layton. In exchange for an increase spending on Employment Insurance by about $1 billion, Jack Layton and the NDP abstained from the vote of non-confidence against Harper.

But then of course I'm sure you are going to say this was for the greater good, as opposed to other parties who also abstained or didn't show up on a Harper budget bill or of non-confidence.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/tories-survive-liberal-non-confidence-motion-1.43...

 

OK, ONE time the NDP kept the Harper government in power...as opposed to the DOZENS of votes in that parliament where the Liberals did so.  By what measure was the NDP's action that one time worse than all the votes where the Liberals passed Harper's barbaric agenda-little if ANY of which has been repealed or reversed by Justin's majority.  The Cons would have been sure winners in an election in 2009 anyway-there was hardly ever a moment during Iggy's leadership where he had any real chance of leading the Liberals even to a minority win.

Besides which, the Liberals were solidly behind the Cons throughout the entire Harper minority government years.  And it's been repeatedly proved that, even if the NDP had voted for Martin on that no-confidence motion, he'd still have fallen by two votes and that even if he'd stayed in power for the extra month there was nothing Martin could have done to make his government popular enough again to even come close to winning.  The fact that he wasn't re-elected on the pledge to implement his childcare program proves THAT.

Why are people still debating this troll?

@Ciabatta2, EXACTLY!!!

please Ken, just ignore him and then he'll just have himself to troll