Ontario Election June 7, 2018

Ciabatta2 wrote:

Misfit wrote:

Re: Doug Fords Lack of a Costing Platform:

Dave Hudak pledged in his campaign for the last election that he would cut 10,000 civil service jobs. He tanked in the polls.

 So Doug Ford figured that he would be clever and say that he's going to cut $6 billion dollars and it wouldn't cost anybody any jobs. 

He can't come up with any specific figures because it can't be done without sacrificing jobs and government services.

To me, issues like this one are things that are the final nudge toward or away from a candidate for many voters, often more confirming their initial suspicions/impressions of a candidate - e.g. "1.4 billion in the wrong column, LOL those NDP, they can't even add!  I knew it!" kind of thing.

But in this case, I think Doug Ford isn't someone that people are on the fence about, so I'm not sure the platform issue hurts him.  I think he's right that a really big chunk of Ontarians either don't care for platforms (because they only half get implemented) and/or don't trust the Liberals numbers.  If you're voting for Ford, you're not doing it because he's got his shit together.  You're electing him to on an emotional appeal to show your distrust in the system, or to just smash things.

Doug Ford knows this, and knows why people vote for him. He may, however, have overestimated the ability of his appeal to win a comprehensive majority.

I think the platform issue is only an issue for those who were never going to vote for him anyway.  Although polling on this could prove otherwise.

I agree that Ford voters are unlikely to be deterred by the lack of a platform but those slightly leaning in his direction, or leaning Liberal, or fully undecided might be deterred from voting PC by fear of what the lack of a platform means in terms of a secret PC agenda. If this occurs, it won't be a lot of voters, but considering how close the polls, it could be the difference between victory and defeat. 

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sue-Ann Levy (Toronto Sun) went after Andrea Horwath this morning calling her a weak leader - to her face! They then get into a verbal sparring match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0fJFfYOi5E

A POS from a POS paper.

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bekayne wrote:

Well. Conrad Black's endorsed Ford so I guess it's all over now.

National Post has just endorsed Doug Ford as well, this despite not having a platform.

No one can accuse Conrad Black or the National Post of shame.

NorthReport wrote:

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2018/06/01/ontario-voters-should-back-ndp-to-stop-doug-ford.html

So the Star has endorsed the ONDP, and advocates strategic voting for the ONDP.

But weren't you saying the Star has "ties" to the Liberals and is basically a Liberal propaganda machine??

So...Can Horwath come up with something between now and Thursday that can make a significant difference?  At this point, assuming the seat projections are anywhere close to accurate, we're looking at the possibility of one of the worst "wrong winner" results in recent FPTP history.

That's true.  They need ads with blue collar people calling him out.  People in his old neighborhood(there have to be some folks there who were never in love with the Ford family).

I wonder if it's worth buying time for a province-wide address by Andrea.  She's gotta do SOMETHING to move the needle.

Misfit wrote:

I live in Saskatchewan and the NDP governed for 50 years in our history. With the exception of Manitoba and BC and perhaps the Territories, The NDP cannot survive  more than one term.

So the other provinces have this scenario where they get elected on an anti-other party shit storm and only last one term in office.

The Ontario NDP has a very dedicated core support base and these people are fantastic. But outside that core of support, you have a large mass of undecided voters who look to the Liberals and the Conservatives and only consider the NDP in very rare circumstances. 

 Therefore the NDP has been more of a reactionary party to victory and it  has to learn how to get reelected where undecided voters get a serious look that this is a very legitimate alternative to the other two mainline parties.

back during the days of the CCF the politics was very polarized but people who supported the CCF in large numbers were voting for something and that for something kept getting them re-elected.

Ontario has to learn to see the NDP as a positive choice for progressive change.

AND GET RE-ELECTED!!!

Your original comment that I referred to as “garbage” was a common phrase from the corporate media and right wingers in Ontario during the 1990’s. This was to discredit any merit and popularity socialism would have or was getting in Ontario  

Right now what’s going on in Canada is that many come from Communist China and India or Eastern Europe etc etc  

in other words places not traditional western countries   This is why typical western anti socialism corporate media is having no effect on this huge block of voters! They simply know that the corporate media is bullshit! And the more the corporate media attacks with their stupid rubbish, the more inclined the new block of voters will vote for socialism!

This isn’t rocket science 

if anything this is about the never ending complaining Ontario baby boomers that think that it’s all about them and their self interests fading away into nothingness 

And I can’t wait until the baby boomers materialism is buried and laid to rest once and for all