KremlinGate

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/JZN42JKfkqU

"Liberal Russian journalists deeply skeptical of Russiagate."

Please ! 

This "conversation" is not a conversation

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/f0krkHRBaVI

"Rachel Maddow's crazy Russia mash-up."

Notice how intently Russophobes and Dem cheerleaders ignore this in-your-face reality. Let's try again...

Chomsky Admits Israeli Interests in US Elections Overwhelm Anything Russia Has Done

http://informationclearinghouse.info/49976.htm

" Israel is the real meddler. Is Noam Chomsky a 'puppet of Putin'?"

Wrong thread. Blame Chomsky.

Internet Research Agency dropped a lot of tweets on behalf of Jill Stein.

https://thinkprogress.org/newly-released-trove-reveals-russian-tweets-that-promoted-jill-stein-6318ee05adcb/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

US Senate Calls Julian Assange to Testify on Russian 'Meddling'

https://youtu.be/VgNoQiGTLTs

"The US Senate Intelligence Committee has requested that persecuted WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange testify before committee staff."

Gates Claims Manafort Did Political Work For Ukraine's Poroshenko, Who Denies It

https://t.co/Hgbe2uaOWj

"Rick Gates, a former business partner of lobbyist and political consultant Paul Manafort, said he and Manafort did consulting work for Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, something the Ukrainian leader has denied.

Tad Devine, a former Bernie Sanders campaign strategist who also worked with Manafort in Ukraine, writing Yanukovych's 2010 victory speech, attached to his email to Gates a draft agreement for Manafort's firm to work on Poroshenko's campaign..."

josh wrote:

Internet Research Agency dropped a lot of tweets on behalf of Jill Stein.

https://thinkprogress.org/newly-released-trove-reveals-russian-tweets-that-promoted-jill-stein-6318ee05adcb/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

Oh my god everyone except Hillary and the DNC are Russian dupes. Thanks for letting us know. Maybe now the US electorate will get behind the DNC's next choice for President.   Of course only after they nominate that person in their  transparent and totally fair and untampered with process.

US politics is a load of horseshit but then it alway has been.

“There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." –Mark Twain

TRNN: Russiagate Frenzy Targets Leftist Sites (and vid, pt 2)

https://therealnews.com/stories/russiagate-frenzy-targets-leftist-sites-...

"Russiagate has deepened the partnership between Washington and Silica Valley, and leftist websites are among the first casualties. Greg Wilpert, Max Blumenthal."

Trump revokes John Brennan’s security clearance and Brennan responds:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/opinion/john-brennan-trump-russia-collusion-security-clearance.html

josh wrote:

Trump revokes John Brennan’s security clearance and Brennan responds:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/opinion/john-brennan-trump-russia-col...

Well. No harm in visiting the provided links I thought to myself.
Am I possibly the only one who does that here?
Surely not. For example I am sure that josh carefully scrutinizes the writing in all the links that NDPP posts as does NDPP carefully read the articles mentioned by NorthReport. I mean, this is a conversation, right?

I am no big fan of the NYT and haven't been for a long time but I decided to take the plunge and check out the link.

My first instinct was just to type ROFLMAO, but that would have been contrary to my decision to actually dialogue with other Babble members.

It was extremely difficult to read. I confess I began posting a response before I had read it all. Am the only one who does that?  
I went back and tried not to vomit. Gravol would have helped but somehow I managed to make it through without.

John Brennan writing?
The man is a troglodyte and clearly could not have written it himself so let's discuss the ghostwriter's article.
(I wrote troglodyte, but perhaps a more appropriate epithet might be alligator as they inhabit swamps and not caves.)

From the "article"
"Over the previous several years I had grown weary of Mr. Bortnikov’s denials of Russia’s perfidy"

Haha. Seriously.. perfidy?
If that word is in Brennan’s lexicology I would be amazed.
see above,, ghostwriter

Shoutout to josh. Do YOU know what it means?

"I warned Mr. Bortnikov that Russian interference in our election was intolerable and would roil United States-Russia relations for many years,"

roil. wow... cool word!
Shoutout to josh. Do YOU know what it means?

Ok. It seems I am picking on you.  Well, yes I am.
You seem to be the most uninformed poster on Babble.

Since I first encountered your posts I have been amazed at how uninf9rmed you are... Haha.. sorry. but is it ok to call you an idiot?

I worked hard on that response. Putting one's thoughts into words is not easy.
Maybe Y'all should give it a go.

Unbiased:

Since your last post seems to be entirely about John Brennan's alleged lack of vocabulary, I'm curious as to why you assume that about him. According to his wiki bio, he has a PoliSci degree from Fordham, an MA in Middle East Studies from Texas at Austin, and studied Arabic for a year in Egypt. Unless you think he paid a ghostwriter to do all that work for him, I'd wager he's someone who knows what "perfidy" means.

Not that I think his vocabulary proves anything either way about his moral character, but since you seem to be framing it as an important issue...

josh wrote:

McCarthyism!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1031154974942810114

And this is coming from a guy who regularly hired the services of Roy Cohn.

Yep.

I agree that it's a bit much to blame any breakdown in American political culture solely on Russian spambots. There had to be people in the USA to begin with who were vulnerable to the Jesus Vs. Satan armwrestling meme for that to work.

That said, I do know that I have heard Canadian progressives say on numerous occassions "Groups like REAL Women are importing American-style fundamentalism into Canada!!", as if this constituted some sort of existential crisis for Canadian values. Apparently, they, like Brennan, have doubts about the ability of their populace to discern foreign-propaganda crap when they see it.

And, on that score, if some privately-owned Canadian social-media site decided they didn't want to host ads from Real Women, I'm kind of doubting that too many of us would consider that to be a violation of anyone's free speech.

You forgot to include Putin.

Dems Raise Concerns Over Bolton's Ties to Russia

https://twitter.com/GeorgeSzamuely/status/1031673484546584576

"No, this has no resemblance to McCarthyism. Suggesting that John Bolton is a Russian agent is cool reasonableness."

The Russiagate dem cult of believe-whatever-they-tell -you gets batshit crazier by the day...

That's not what I said or believe. But if you seriously believe this shit then you are seriously delusional whether you realize it or not.

I'm embarrassed for you Michael. Russophobia has made you gullible and receptive to nonsense. 'Reason' has nothing to do with it. If it was reason you'd be searching out alternative versions and comparing, contrasting and fact-checking. It's the propaganda you prefer and very much wish to believe and so you do. But it's not a pretty sight I can tell you. I hope you come to see it someday. I'm amazed. I thought after Iraq and 'WMDs' (Mueller there too incidentally) we collectively all learned how these big corporate media were liars and setter of traps. And yet just look at all the poor schmucks following these same pied pipers all over again.

 Butina is guilty of nothing. She was a student and gun-nut excited about taking  the NRA culture back to Russia, for which Bolton, also an NRA apostle, was paid to speak at a function she promoted. I even posted a bit of his talk here way back when because it was so...gun-nutty and so Bolton.  Anyway I'm wasting keystrokes. 'Believers' will always choose their gospel of faith over facts, and there's a sucker born every minute perhaps two when it comes to Russiagate.

Like 'Salem Witch Trials': Butina Treated 'Inhumanly' in Custody...

https://youtu.be/t6KhT09NfLo

"Factually she's innocent and was not functioning as an agent of the Russian Federation when she was in the US. She was simply a student. Conduct that would normally be legal has somehow become illegal. But just so your viewers are clear, there's no allegation of espionage, there's no allegation of classified information, there's no allegation she was paying anyone off, there's no allegation she was recruiting spies - nothing you would typically see in an espionage case..." - Butina's defence lawyer.

The Russians Did It (Cont.)

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/21/the-russians-did-it-cont/

"Each day I spend about three hours reading the Washington Post. Amongst other things I'm looking for evidence - real, legal, courtroom-quality evidence, or at least something logical and rational - to pin down these awful Russkies for their many recent crimes, from  the outcome of the 2016 US presidential election to use of a nerve agent in the UK .

But I do not find such evidence..."

Well, Michael Cohen isn't the world's most credible witness, but his lawyer Lanny Davis (a charter member of the Clinton fan club) says that Cohen has knowledge, which he will share with prosecutors, of Trump's personal participation in conspiracy with the Russians to hack the DNC.

Alex Lockie wrote:

Specifically, he said Cohen was willing to provide the special counsel Robert Mueller with evidence that Trump worked with Russia to sway the election.

"Michael Cohen knows information that would be of interest to the special counsel regarding both knowledge about a conspiracy to corrupt American democracy by the Russians and the failure to report that knowledge to the FBI," Davis said.

Reduced to citing the National Review, huh? As far as the emails issue goes, I find the argument that it was only a leak technically very weak. If you'd like to present the detailed case for why it was a leak (not just a link to a long, polemical article) I'd be glad to tell you why I disagree.

Proof that Manafort and Cohen are Criminals Adds No Weight to Mueller's Russia Collusion Probe.

https://on.rt.com/9cvu

"What do Paul Manafort's five counts of tax fraud, one count of hiding foreign bank accounts and two counts of bank fraud all have in common? None of them have anything to do with collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

It's important to remember that Special Counsel Robert Mueller was appointed to investigate one thing: 'any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with Trump's campaign.' That is what the Mueller investigation is primarily about and that is what it has so far been unable to prove..."

'Too Big to Fail': Russia-gate One Year After VIPS Showed a Leak, Not a Hack

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/13/too-big-to-fail-russia-gate-one-ye...

"...The basic evidence that Russiagate is a false narrative concocted by various constituents of national power, stands, difficult as this is to discern. Scrape back all that is ethically unacceptable and unscrupulously conveyed into the public sphere and you find that nothing has changed: No one 'hacked' the Democratic party's mail in the summer of 2016. It was leaked locally. From what one can make out, it was done to expose the party leadership's corrupt efforts to sink Bernie Sanders' insurgent campaign to win the Democratic nomination.

Binney told me: 'Once we proved G-2.0 is a fabrication and a manipulator, the timing and location questions couldn't be answered but really didn't matter. I don't right now see a way of absolutely proving either time or location. But this doesn't change anything. We know what we know: The intrusion into the Democratic National Committee mail was a local download - whatever 'local' is. That doesn't change. As to Rosenstein, he'll have a lot to prove.'

But in another, very profound way, more has changed since VIPS50 was published than one could have imagined a year ago. American discourse has descended into a dangerous level of irrationality. The most ordinary statements of evidentiary procedure are foregone. Many of our key institutions - the foreign policy apparatus, the media, key intelligence and law enforcement agencies, the political leadership - are now extravagantly committed to a narrative none appears able to control. The risk of self-inflicted damage these institutions assume, should the truth of the Russiagate events emerge - as one day it surely will - is nearly incalculable. This is what inspires my McCarthy and Civil War references. Russia-gate, in a phrase, has become too big to fail."