Burnaby South by-election Monday February 25, 2019

NorthReport wrote:

There are rumours floating around that Canada's Oil King PM is so concerned about Singh that he might call a snap election to avoid a Liberal by-election debacle in Burnaby South.

Juicy speculation!

Very risky on Justin's part. Marihuana isn't legal yet. Once he calls, parliament is dissolved. A lot less time for the liberals to line up the cards! Also the media will be all over this, giving Jagmeet and the NDP a billion in free advertising and a huge sympathy vote!

Is he Lil' Justin? Or the Oil King? I can't keep track! Kennedy Stewart hasn't actually resigned yet although obviously it's coming soon. Trudeau has to call the Leeds-Grenville-Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes byelection by October 30, although he can set the actual date for the vote whenever he wants. Outremont is also currently open but in addition to Kennedy Stewart in Burnaby South we're still waiting on Nicolo Di Iorio in Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel and Peter Van Loan in York—Simcoe to formalize their announced intentions to step down. In the interest of efficiency I'd like to see Trudeau schedule all five at once, but of course that's up to him. For New Democrats only Outremont and Burnaby South will be all that interesting as the others are all fairly safe seats for other parties.

The Green Party won't be running a candidate in Burnaby South as a "courtesy" to Singh.  That's bound to help, especially with the BC NDP and the Greens being on the same page on the Trans Mountain pipeline issue. 

Still, it'll likely be a close race between Singh and his Liberal opponent. So much so that it may matter whether the Communist Party decides to field a candidate.  The CP didn't run a candidate in 2015 but they did in 2011 in the former riding of Burnaby Douglas.  I can imagine that some NDPers, dissatisfied with Singh's leadership and keen to hasten his departure, might well decide  to vote CP.  But many more would  simply vote Liberal. 

It's also hard to tell what the purpose of a thread is when NorthReport keeps changing the name over and over. 

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If the Liberals end up in third place in Burnaby South will Trudeau have to step down?

Would it leave Trudeau without an "all-access pass" to Parliament Hill?

I'm not saying that if Singh doesn't win then it's a foregone conclusion that he has to quit.  But it's really not the same thing for them both.

And if we were to follow this silliness all the way to the pot of gold, wouldn't two out of three (or three out of four) Party leaders have to quit after EVERY byelection?  If we have three (or four) major parties, two (or three) of them will be "un-winners" in every byelection.

NorthReport wrote:

Jagmeet is not going anywhere until at least after the next general election so folks need to get used to his leadership

Here’s more ammunition to slam the Liberals with

https://www.straight.com/news/1118041/environmental-groups-call-closure-chinook-fisheries-preserve-endangered-southern

Uh...I do hope he wins the bylection, but he can't possibly stay in the job if he loses.  Having him do so would guarantee no chance of a respectable showing of any sort.  Why even try such a thing?

Go Singh Go NDP.

Go get Lil Oil King Justin.

Well, while I didn't support Singh, I certainly hope he wins in the by-election. I'll be volunteering for Boulerice next year, in principle but now I'm concentrating on Québec solidaire in Gouin and Laurier-Dorion (just north of here and very close by). We came second after the (now disgraced) Liberal and ahead of the PQ there last time.

An important campaign is for dental care, which is sorely needed.

No, it's run by public service bureaucrats, who pay doctors and hospitals with tax money for procedures performed and services offered. Doctors in no way get a veto over adding coverage for dental or vision care, any more than primary school teachers can prevent spending on university expansion.

Long story short, traditional snobbery. Dentistry was long considered more of a specialized trade than a medical skill (it used to be done by, of all people, barbers). Poor dental health can still absolutely kill you, but for penny-pinching governments, it's yet to become a major election issue in the same way that not covering oncologists or cardiologists would be.

NorthReport wrote:

The Liberals are panicking at the thought of Jagmeet getting into the House of Commons so what better way to address that than a snap election, eh!

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2018/08/17/Fall-2018-Election-Bring-It-On/

That's funny. Crawford Killian, the veteran Tyee contributor whose article NR cites in support of that idea, appears not to agree.  Here's what he actually wrote about the NDP leader in the aforementioned article:

"...NDP leader Jagmeet Singh has lent a new meaning to the term “empty suit.” He may have been interesting a year ago when he won the leadership, but he’s said and done nothing since to move his party out of the basement. By comparison, look at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s dramatic rise in two months to political stardom on what amounts to an American version of the NDP’s 1972 platform. 

"Singh’s run in Burnaby South looks desperate; his year of meeting and greeting the party rank and file doesn’t seem to have built the political capital that Trudeau did before 2015."

What should really worry the Liberals is the prospect that Singh goes down to defeat in the by-election.  Because that would greatly increase the odds of his being forced to step down from the leadership.  Under a new leader, whether Guy Caron or Charlie Angus, the NDP might have a half decent chance of capturing the imagination of voters who are disillusioned with Trudeau but unimpressed, or troubled, by Singh. 

 

The next item on agenda after the Burnaby South win should be to go after Notley hard. Show the real NDPers that she is not NDP. She is fake, she is all buddy buddy with Lil Oil King Justin. Anybody who is on the side of the Oil King cant be on the side of NDP. The sooner they can resolve this the better as when election rolls around next year this should be made clear that the Pipeline Queen is not a a part of the NDP. And The Party is clear in its stand of opposing the pipelines and opposing the fossil fuel cartel led by the Oil King, Pipeline Queen and the Pipeline Jester.

Panic in the Pretty Hair Boy camp, pandering to the base has started early

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lottery-immigration-reunification-1.4791705

Why only the East. Jagmeet should bring it up on the campaign trail.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ei-5-weeks-additional-1.4791458

Go Singh, Go NDP

 

Can they get anything right?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canada-medicinal-cannabis-regulat...

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Thanks for your grown-up, intelligent, unbiased opinions, gadar.  For a minute there I thought you might have some kind of emotional axe to grind or something.

As I've said before, I believe gadar is chewing the scenery in his parody of NR.

voice of the damned wrote:

Hey folks, great to be here in Charlottetown, and the message I'm bringing to you in this campaign is: Rachel Notley is a fake New Democrat!"

 

Ha ha.

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i remember reading a lot of comments here on babble laced with similar pet names for Harper. Did you call those posters out as well?

I seem to recall I did.  I don't think I've ever had an interest in seeing adults be childish.  But if you've more recently read those old threads, do you recall me joining in, or "har har"-ing?

voice of the damned wrote:

^ Plausible theory, but I'd still like to ask him about this ...

The next item on agenda after the Burnaby South win should be to go after Notley hard. Show the real NDPers that she is not NDP. She is fake, she is all buddy buddy with Lil Oil King Justin. Anybody who is on the side of the Oil King cant be on the side of NDP. The sooner they can resolve this the better as when election rolls around next year this should be made clear that the Pipeline Queen is not a a part of the NDP.

Are you talking about the next federal election? IOW, you want the leader of the federal NDP to go around the country telling everyone that the premier of Alberta is not a good New Democrat? 

Hey folks, great to be here in Charlottetown, and the message I'm bringing to you in this campaign is: Rachel Notley is a fake New Democrat!"

If Singh doesnt address the difference in policy of Alberta NDP and the Federal NDP then he is going to be asked about it. And NDP would be painted as talking out of both sides of their mouth. It will surely be made an issue in the Burnaby byelection. The Party has to find a way to address it.

But this problem is going to be more for the byelection than the general election because Alberta election is going to take care of that.

About calling Notley 'Fake NDP', that is not my creation, other posters I think have called her that when she was seen as close to Lil Oil King Justin.

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Or do you mean in the Alberta provincial election? If so, I can assure that attacking Rachel Notley as being insufficiently left-wing will accomplish nothing of what Singh might want to do in Alberta, even if anyone in the province cares what he has to say.

The fact remains that Alberta NDP is a subset of the Federal NDP. Notley will be asked to explain her pipeline champion stance vis a vis the Singh stance of no pipelines. She will have no choice but to criticize Singh. And Singh will have to respond and without going back on his policy he will have no choice but to criticize her. In that case only one can be real NDP.

Gadar:

Yes, obviously, if anti-pipeline is federal NDP policy, Singh can acknowledge that his position is different from Notley's. That doesn't mean he has to go around telling everyone she's a "fake New Democrat", especially when the epithet is based on one single point of difference.

I believe that in the late 70s and early 80s, Joe Clark disagreed with Bill Davis on the issue of the NEP. I'm pretty sure, though, that Clark didn't base his campaigns on telling everyone that Davis wasn't a real Tory.