Bernier contacted key people before jumping ship.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/08/24/bernier-contacted-key-people-anno...
Maxime Bernier
Fri, 2018-08-24 18:37
#52
Fri, 2018-08-24 18:42
#53
The competetion for the alt right vote is on. Cons are pre empting Bernier by reviving their ties with Ezra's hateful megaphone.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-top-conservative-aide-s...
Fri, 2018-08-24 18:50
#54
I'm suggesting: Republican Independent Party.
Hi Unionist!
Canada isn't a republic. So the term republican wouldn't really fit or is out of place.
Unless of cource Maxime is for Canada becoming a republic?
Fri, 2018-08-24 18:58
#55
“The strategy was to belittle him, not remove him"
But he ended up belittling them. Cons got conned
https://torontosun.com/news/national/tories-plan-to-belittle-maxime-bern...
Fri, 2018-08-24 19:00
#56
I'm suggesting: Republican Independent Party.
Hi Unionist!
Canada isn't a republic. So the term republican wouldn't really fit or is out of place.
Unless of cource Maxime is for Canada becoming a republic?
Actually, Michael Moriarty, the ex-pat American actor who ended up moving north of the border after leaving the cast of "Law & Order", tried to start a right-wing party called "The Republican Party Of Canada". I assume somebody took him aside and told him that most Canadian reactionaries are hardcare monarchists.
Fri, 2018-08-24 19:11
#57
It seems unlikely to me that Bernier will have much success with his new right wing party. However, if he does manage to run candidates in most ridings, and pull even a few percent from the Cons, this is great news for the Liberals. Justin may turn out to be as lucky as Chretien was.
Not so sure of your comment MM? I'm sure many people agree with your comment, but I think it's too soon to make this opinion.
Maxime from what I have read learned has very strong roots in Quebec and I would never underestimate this guy!
I think it's safe to say that for now, he will hurt the conservatives in Quebec. Not convinced outside Quebec, but Maxime may gain traction in Atlantic Canada? Still to early.
I'm also not convinced that Justin will be the sole reipient of vote splitting? To be honest, I do not believe vote splitting is something that can be easily predicted understood manipulated prevented diverted and probably another half dozen adverbs adjectives to describe.
Maxime's actions may very well create a huge distrust for white European politicians in Canada. Setting off a wild block of angry voters. Now I confess this is wild speculation by even my own standards.
Fri, 2018-08-24 20:54
#58
laine lowe
It seems that Winnipeg former CPC MP and Conservative MLA was rejected by Scheer from seeking nomination for an MP seat in the next election. He is now making noise about joining Bernier. There may be other disgruntled Conservatives who make a similar leap. Who knows, maybe even David Orchard will rear up and join this new party (although I never thought of him as a Libertarian).
Fri, 2018-08-24 21:02
#59
It seems that Winnipeg former CPC MP and Conservative MLA was rejected by Scheer from seeking nomination for an MP seat in the next election. He is now making noise about joining Bernier. There may be other disgruntled Conservatives who make a similar leap. Who knows, maybe even David Orchard will rear up and join this new party (although I never thought of him as a Libertarian).
Keep an eye on Gurmant Grewal & family here in the lower mainland.
Fri, 2018-08-24 21:30
#60
It seems unlikely to me that Bernier will have much success with his new right wing party. However, if he does manage to run candidates in most ridings, and pull even a few percent from the Cons, this is great news for the Liberals. Justin may turn out to be as lucky as Chretien was.
Not so sure of your comment MM? I'm sure many people agree with your comment, but I think it's too soon to make this opinion.
Well, I did say "It seems unlikely" not "this is how it is going to be". Anyway, I agree it is too soon to be at all certain how Maxime's excellent adventure will turn out. If nothing else, it is sure to provide considerable entertainment for we politics junkies.
Fri, 2018-08-24 22:17
#61
Agreed
Fri, 2018-08-24 22:27
#62
Pogo
I would hazard a guess that he will provide a home for people who don't like the Conservative or the Conservative hierarchy doesn't like them. In some places it will be candidates with meetings staffed by Son's of Odin and in other places it will be a popular mayor more in the Conservative mainstream who was screwed out of his nomination.
Fri, 2018-08-24 22:29
#63
If nothing else, it is sure to provide considerable entertainment for we politics junkies.
... and for us grammar junkies!
Fri, 2018-08-24 22:34
#64
If nothing else, it is sure to provide considerable entertainment for we politics junkies.... and for us grammar junkies!
Yeah, I guess I got the case wrong there. Don't really know why, since I'm generally a grammar weenie myself. But I've gotten so used to suppressing my instinct to correct people in this modern world that I'm taking up their bad habits myself.
Fri, 2018-08-24 23:45
#65
But I've gotten so used to suppressing my instinct to correct people in this modern world that I'm taking up their bad habits myself.
Whereas I give full rein to my instinct to be a grammar cop! Helps maintain my status as a law-abiding pen owner.
Sat, 2018-08-25 10:15
#66
I'm suggesting: Republican Independent Party.
Hi Unionist!
Canada isn't a republic. So the term republican wouldn't really fit or is out of place.
Unless of cource Maxime is for Canada becoming a republic?
I think the joke was the ensuing acronym.
Sat, 2018-08-25 10:40
#67
Ahh I see. Unionist's sence of humor again. Thanks for pointing it out.
Sat, 2018-08-25 12:04
#68
Humour. Sorry.
Actually there are many republicans in Québec, but they aren't necessarily Bernier supporters. A few (rightwing sovereigntists) probably are.
Sat, 2018-08-25 12:26
#69
How about "Great Republican Independent Party"?
It's high time we all got a grip.
Sat, 2018-08-25 13:17
#70
alan smithee
Actually, Michael Moriarty, the ex-pat American actor who ended up moving north of the border after leaving the cast of "Law & Order", tried to start a right-wing party called "The Republican Party Of Canada". I assume somebody took him aside and told him that most Canadian reactionaries are hardcare monarchists.
Which begs the question. Why the hell did he move up here? Is he that big of a right wing nutjob that the GOP weren't right wing enough for this asshole? Say what you will about Canada but the vast majority of us do not lean that far to the right. No wonder his acting career (at least in Hollywood) is over.
Sat, 2018-08-25 13:45
#71
Actually, Michael Moriarty, the ex-pat American actor who ended up moving north of the border after leaving the cast of "Law & Order", tried to start a right-wing party called "The Republican Party Of Canada". I assume somebody took him aside and told him that most Canadian reactionaries are hardcare monarchists.
Which begs the question. Why the hell did he move up here? Is he that big of a right wing nutjob that the GOP weren't right wing enough for this asshole? Say what you will about Canada but the vast majority of us do not lean that far to the right. No wonder his acting career (at least in Hollywood) is over.
As I recall, that guy who stole my name had apparently screwed up his career in the U.S. before he came to Canada. He also had what appeared to be serious mental health problems, behaving badly in public on several occasions. Also, in 2005 he stated his intention to run for president of the U.S. in 2008, but never followed through. Instead, he supported Fred Thompson, that other actor from Law and Order.
Sat, 2018-08-25 13:52
#72
Actually, Michael Moriarty, the ex-pat American actor who ended up moving north of the border after leaving the cast of "Law & Order", tried to start a right-wing party called "The Republican Party Of Canada". I assume somebody took him aside and told him that most Canadian reactionaries are hardcare monarchists.
Which begs the question. Why the hell did he move up here? Is he that big of a right wing nutjob that the GOP weren't right wing enough for this asshole? Say what you will about Canada but the vast majority of us do not lean that far to the right. No wonder his acting career (at least in Hollywood) is over.
I always found that strange too. IIRC, at the time, Moriarty said he was leaving in protest against Janet Reno's campaign against violence on TV, though I'm not sure why he'd choose Canada as his destination, since I'm not really aware that we're more tolerant of that than the Americans are.
My guess would be he had some other, more personal reasons for moving to Canada, and just used politics as a sexy excuse.
Sat, 2018-08-25 14:54
#73
Probably figured it was a different country where he wouldn't have to learn a new language to spout off in. Then again, it might just've been for the beer.Actually, Michael Moriarty, the ex-pat American actor who ended up moving north of the border after leaving the cast of "Law & Order", tried to start a right-wing party called "The Republican Party Of Canada". I assume somebody took him aside and told him that most Canadian reactionaries are hardcare monarchists.
Which begs the question. Why the hell did he move up here? Is he that big of a right wing nutjob that the GOP weren't right wing enough for this asshole? Say what you will about Canada but the vast majority of us do not lean that far to the right. No wonder his acting career (at least in Hollywood) is over.
I always found that strange too. IIRC, at the time, Moriarty said he was leaving in protest against Janet Reno's campaign against violence on TV, though I'm not sure why he'd choose Canada as his destination, since I'm not really aware that we're more tolerant of that than the Americans are.
My guess would be he had some other, more personal reasons for moving to Canada, and just used politics as a sexy excuse.
Sat, 2018-08-25 14:55
#74
Humour. Sorry.
Actually there are many republicans in Québec, but they aren't necessarily Bernier supporters. A few (rightwing sovereigntists) probably are.
Anybody know if English Canada has ever had much of an anti-monarchist tradition? You'd think some of the Irish immigrants might have brought that sensibility with them.
Sat, 2018-08-25 15:03
#75
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lyon_Mackenzie
But sure, there are plenty of anti-monarchists in English Canada.
Sat, 2018-08-25 15:04
#76
Humour. Sorry.
Actually there are many republicans in Québec, but they aren't necessarily Bernier supporters. A few (rightwing sovereigntists) probably are.
Anybody know if English Canada has ever had much of an anti-monarchist tradition? You'd think some of the Irish immigrants might have brought that sensibility with them.
Well, let's put it this way. Can you remember monarchy vs. republic being discussed as part of an election campaign, or even mentioned by a politician as an issue? Personally, I cannot.
As for the Irish bringing the tradition over with them, well, for at least for the first few decades of Canada's existence, I'd imagine that the public's enthusiasm for Irish agitation might have been somewhat tempered by memory of the Fenian Raids.
I believe that, pre-Confederation, the Upper Canada Rebellion was republican in its orientation. But after the British responded with a few reforms, the zeal for republicanism seemed to quiet down considerably.
Sat, 2018-08-25 15:06
#77
Cross-posted with Smith on the Rebellion.
I've met quite a few English Canadians who claim to disdain the monarchy personally, but they never seem to coalesce into a mass movement, such as happened in Australia.
Sat, 2018-08-25 15:44
#78
Having a state-sanctioned mob with chapters in every town willing to burn down the parliament buildings, stone the governor's carriage, terrorize a city, and form whole militias probably quieted down republicanism a bit too.
But we are drifting a bit.
Sat, 2018-08-25 16:21
#79
"The abortion resolution failed by a vote of 53 to 47 per cent."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-conservative-policy-convention-1....
Sat, 2018-08-25 16:48
#80
progressive17
Humour. Sorry.
Actually there are many republicans in Québec, but they aren't necessarily Bernier supporters. A few (rightwing sovereigntists) probably are.
Anybody know if English Canada has ever had much of an anti-monarchist tradition? You'd think some of the Irish immigrants might have brought that sensibility with them.
There were 5 unsuccessful anti-monarchist Irish raids on Canada between 1866 and 1871. They were all repelled by the Authorities.
Sat, 2018-08-25 17:03
#81
In another close vote on social policy, Conservative delegates voted down an attempt by the Thunder Bay-Rainy River riding association to declare pornography a "public health risk."
Fifty-three per cent of delegates in the room voted rejected that the government develop "laws, policies and programs to prevent pornography exposure and addiction."
Gord help us all, if we ever add "moral health" to the equation.
There should be a word for when people who cannot seem to convince the majority of the worthiness of their beliefs choose to redefine or recontextualize those beliefs in order to make them appear more neutral and rational, and less personal and emotional.
Sat, 2018-08-25 17:10
#82
alan smithee
You can't legislate morality. To do so would make you a fascist.
Sat, 2018-08-25 17:13
#83
Following Scheer's 55 minute speech at the Conservative convention in Halifax a large crowd of around 30 people went on stage with him. I could see only one non-Caucasian in the crowd and the audience looked very Caucasian as well, although for the latter it was somewhat hard to tell since they had their backs to the camera. The Conservatives may be starting to pay the price for their anti-immigrant stance as the Conservatives looked even whiter than under Harper and this doesn't even take into account the Bernier effect as the convention delegates would have been chosen some time ago.
Sun, 2018-08-26 00:09
#84
Abortion vote rejected by 53%
Porn as public health vote rejected by 53%
You can't legislate morality. To do so would make you a fascist.
The Cons are just 4% away.
Conservatives looked even whiter than under Harper and this doesn't even take into account the Bernier effect as the convention delegates would have been chosen some time ago.
I think it is Bernier effect. These are 30 chosen delegates. I am sure they would have had a few minority people on stage if not for Bernier. Now the Cons are trying to show their base that they can compete with Bernier in being the advocates for 'old stock canadians'.
Sun, 2018-08-26 00:18
#85
Resolution to move the Canadian Embassy to Jerusalem was also passed.
Sun, 2018-08-26 08:45
#86
blairz
Looking for some insight here, aside from trying to read tealeaves. Is there any evidence that Bernier has the finacial support necessary to form a real conservative breakaway party? I'm also curious to know if a conservative implosion would help the NDP?
Sun, 2018-08-26 09:26
#87
progressive17
The looney-tunes Ayn Rand Institute gets lots of money from rich people. If Mad Max sings them sweet nothings I am sure he will get their dough as well. And not even being incorporated into a party, there are going to be no limits as to how much they can give him.
Sun, 2018-08-26 10:07
#88
And not even being incorporated into a party, there are going to be no limits as to how much they can give him.
Yes there are. Canada's limits on political donations apply regardless. The limits even apply to politicans paying their own expenses. For example:
He said he wanted to pay back small vendors out of his own pocket, but because of campaign contribution limits, he is not legally allowed. “If I have the capital, make me pay it. It’s just wrong. It’s un-Canadian, that’s what it is,” he said.
Sun, 2018-08-26 10:11
#89
alan smithee
Looking for some insight here, aside from trying to read tealeaves. Is there any evidence that Bernier has the finacial support necessary to form a real conservative breakaway party? I'm also curious to know if a conservative implosion would help the NDP?
If Bernier gets his party going by the new year and he gets the financial support (he will) the Conservative vote will be split and it will be a race between the NDP and Liberals. So it would definitely help the NDP
Sun, 2018-08-26 11:25
#90
Sun, 2018-08-26 11:29
#91
Sun, 2018-08-26 11:55
#92
I'm wondering how Bernier's party was described in the poll question, given that it does not yet exist and therefore does not have a name. If they mentioned the name of Bernier himself, that seems to me somewhat unbalanced in relation to how the other parties were likely described, since you don't normally name the leader when asking about the Liberals, Conservatives, NDP etc.
Sun, 2018-08-26 12:27
#93
I'm wondering how Bernier's party was described in the poll question, given that it does not yet exist and therefore does not have a name. If they mentioned the name of Bernier himself, that seems to me somewhat unbalanced in relation to how the other parties were likely described, since you don't normally name the leader when asking about the Liberals, Conservatives, NDP etc.
If they mentioned the other party leaders Bernier might have even done better.
Sun, 2018-08-26 13:10
#94
I'm not going to bother with polls at this early point. Waste of time.
I'm going to discuss Maxime's new party.
Shortly (but who really knows how long) Maxime will have to register his party and give it a name and all those other paper clip issues will have to be worked on. And from that point on, when he sits in the house, the gravity impact movement of his new conservative party will sink in.
He can raise money, how much who knows? From my research, he has done so before as a conservative! He came in second of a leadership race and has strong grass roots in Quebec. Can he carry that over? Can he increase or decrease? This question needs time.
Here's the real big thing for me. If he can convince another 11 sitting MP's to jump ship over to his new party, it will have official party status! This would be a huge huge huge win for him running into the 2019 election. The other thing is who he can try to convince to jump ship? I suspect that those other 11 Quebec conservative MP's are for sure on Maxime's to do list!!!
Now this may be a way out there possibility, but I wouldn't rule out some Quebec liberal MP's considering joining Maxime's new party! Even further way out there is bloc and or Quebec NDP MP's.
Then the other conservative MP's across Canada joining the party?
Here's another way out there possibility. After Maxime has his new party set up, as I suggested above, there may be other conservative mp's crossing the floor to sit beside Maxime. If conservative MP's keep walking over and over and over, keep leaving and leaving and leaving leaving the conservatives, this may trigger a mass exodus of conservative MP's leaving Scheer to sit beside Maxime. So much to the point that maybe only the Alberta conservative MP's may be left in the conservative party! And since the Alberta conservative MP's are all chicken shits with mouths as big as my garage door to start with, they would be forced to cross the floor and sit with Maxime! Leaving Scheer sitting all by his lonesome! Maybe even Scheer just may take the biggest fuckin swallow he will ever in his whole life and walk over!
The end result would be that there would still only be 1 conservative party in Canada with seats in the house.
Now, as everyone can see, WWWTT has a very strong imagination! I at least hope you enjoyed reading my comment as much as I enjoyed writting it!
Sun, 2018-08-26 13:38
#95
Abortion vote rejected by 53%
Porn as public health vote rejected by 53%
You can't legislate morality. To do so would make you a fascist.
The Cons are just 4% away.
Conservatives looked even whiter than under Harper and this doesn't even take into account the Bernier effect as the convention delegates would have been chosen some time ago.
I think it is Bernier effect. These are 30 chosen delegates. I am sure they would have had a few minority people on stage if not for Bernier. Now the Cons are trying to show their base that they can compete with Bernier in being the advocates for 'old stock canadians'.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/08/25/conservatives-birthright-citize...
They also voted to end birthright citizenship, which may be pre-empting one of Bernier's main selling points for conservatives, him hating minorities.
Sun, 2018-08-26 15:22
#96
progressive17
After Bernier takes Austria, we have to be concerned if he takes over the Sudetenland after that.
Sun, 2018-08-26 16:43
#97
When he takes Manhattan, five bucks says I know what he takes next.
Sun, 2018-08-26 17:09
#98
Will he call it the "Parti Égoïste"?
Sun, 2018-08-26 20:12
#99
progressive17
Will he call it the "Parti Égoïste"?
I think that one is already trademarked.
Mon, 2018-08-27 00:47
#100
When he takes Manhattan, five bucks says I know what he takes next.
Will he serve us tea and oranges that comes all the way from China?
Mon, 2018-08-27 07:31
#101
Those Quebec numbers from Abacus would likely lead to a Liberal sweep.