Quebec Election October 1, 2018

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Yeah. That would be awesome. I can't wait.

You didn't.

You were the one suggesting throwing shitballs at each other. I dont remember already throwing shitballs, You have though. And if you want to argue that is fine by me.  Thatr's what I was what I couldnt wait for. That's esssentially what you do every post, I can engage in that crap too.

I don't pay attention to polls anymore. Theyare always proven wrong, Well, 80% of the time especially in recent years. I don't think the CAQ has a huge lead and I think it would be foolish to assume a Liberal loss or a CAQ majority government.  I personally think CAQ will form a minority government which is good news as it keeps Legault on a short leash.

We can dream, but that would be quite a leap. What we can do is have an influence beyond our seats, which we have already done with only three MNAs.

I'm very proud of the diversity of our candidates. I don't know exactly where the line is drawn for "visible minorities", though.

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SIf you are going to call me a trumptard, go fuck yourself. I have heard worse from better than you. I am one of your slaves. Someone who brings you the physical things you need to eat, and do whatever else you want with.

Nice quote from Pierre Trudeau. Not a lot of Conservatives would do that. You're a right wing asshole. Perhaps 4chan would welcome you with open arms. Go there and vent.

progressive17 wrote:

So the poster with the birds flying away with all the jobs and investment capital was actually QS and not PQ, even though it was in PQ blue. Now I have noticed that QS is not sticking to their party colours, which means I have to examine the signs more carefully. 

I just don't think QS has my best interests at heart, and I very much think that the rich socialist elites want to punish the poor working people like myself for their grandiose plans. After all, you are intellectually and culturally superior to me, and have to tell me what to do.

If you are going to call me a trumptard, go fuck yourself. I have heard worse from better than you. I am one of your slaves. Someone who brings you the physical things you need to eat, and do whatever else you want with.

Sorry, but QS is too pie in the sky for me. All kinds of programs, and no way to pay for it. Business will flee, and I will lose my job. The contempt for working people doing hard physical labour like me is obvious. No concept of reality at all.

And you know perfectly well that nobody in QS is rich, or in any sense an elitist.  It's not elitist simply to have a vision of a different life.  If the left renounces everything visionary, if we limit ourselves solely to the small-scale and fiscally conservative, what does that even leave that isn't just running the country like the Cons or the CAQ?  TRUE elitism is A)presuming to speak for all working people, as you are doing here; B)Implying that working people never have any dream other than getting rich enough not to work, as you seem to do.

Clearly, you were never ever "progressive", and your mask has slipped big time.  And you are not the only person on this board who knows what it is to do "hard, physical labor"-I worked on a ferry boat as a steward for 16 years, cleaning galley floors, cleaning staterooms, cleaning bathrooms, helping load in tons of stores every week so there would be food, supplies, linen and towels for passengers and crew alike.

Alan has done hard physical labor too.  So have most people who post here-especially anyone who posts here who has ever maintained a home or raised children.

The birds in the picture are on the background of the Québec flag, which does NOT belong to the PQ. The Liberal party has also featured references to the official flag,  as have others.

As I've pointed out, all these "non-traditional" posters have been made by - mostly young - artists and graphic designers and spotlight a great many themes - this one is about writing Québec culture. The "teeth" one seems to be the most popular.

I would like there to be one about education that says CPE (centre de la petite enfance - educational day care centres) to doctorate culminating in a skilled trade, as well as a doctorate, but CÉGEPS, including the expensive to run vocational programmes, are already free of charge to students and can lead to very lucrative trades postings. The important point about CÉGEPS is that there is a common trunk and mandatory courses for both vocational and pre-academic stream students, ensuring a high level of general education for all. This is more and more important in the 21st century.

Once again, here is the mini-site spotlighting the array of posters and their themes: https://monaffiche.quebecsolidaire.net/ The artists come from many different backgrounds and regions of Québec; the man who produced the public transport poster comes from Matane in the Gaspé, not a major city, and reminds us that public transport also includes intercity transport between towns in more "remote" regions, which has been cut here as elsewhere.

The subtitles are for deaf people, but also very useful for non-francophones.

Those Forum results are so outside what the rest of the firms are showing pretty much across the board that I don't trust them unless other firms start going in that direction, CROP and Leger show the Liberals narrowing the lead since August and that's more what I'd expect now that more people are paying attention.

All these polls were taken before the election launch, so it'll be interesting to see how they evolve after the platforms are revealed and the debates are had.

For the moment, Andrés Fontecilla is leading in Laurier-Dorion (Villeray- Parc-X).

MegB wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

Sorry, my current keyboard does not do French accents. I am sorry if my technological disability offends you.

And whatever climbdown you want from her statement saying that life was not about work, as a worker I found it incredibly offensive. Even in hunter-gatherer societies, we had to hunt and gather in order to eat. We had to make or seek shelters, and make clothes and bedding. Human beings cannot survive without real physical work being done. Perhaps there are some who are so far removed from real physical work that they think it is a curse. This kind of ridiculous idealism can only lead to starvation and death, ironically from your own socialist dicator.

Wow. Just wow. You seem to have forgotten that this is a progressive board. If you need a definition of that you shouldn't be here. So, you can lurk, you can post in ways that reflect babble standards, you can leave quietly or I can ban you. your choice.

Regarding the "tards", nope. Completely unacceptible. Unless babble has become a place where using insults that denigrate people with developmental disabilities is okay, you don't get to "tard" anyone. Sweet jebus, I can't believe that I even had to state this. 

I apologize about the tard comment. I wasn't trying to disparage anyone but Trump supporters who are the stupidest people on planet Earth. I can assure you that won't happen again.

'progressive' 17's  hard right comment really pissed me off.

Thanks for signing off on it.

progressive17 wrote:

I did ask to be banned in private message quite some time ago. So please ban me. No one is going to tell me what I can say and what I cannot say. I am sure I will find other places on the Internet where I can say what has to be said. 
 

There's 4chan. There's Rebel Media. There are a ton of groups on reddit. Take your pick. Good riddance.

josh wrote:

Forum should rename itself Outlier.  And for the last year or so, almost always in a conservative direction.

They had that poll in the Ontatio election where the NDP was 13% ahead. They had a federal poll where the Conservatives were 16% ahead. With Forum, "19 times out of 20" translates to "most of the time, we think".

https://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/quebec-election-caq-leading-but-...

First poll since the campaign launched.

CAQ 37% (+1)

Lib 32% (+2)

PQ 19% (+1)

QS 8% (-2)

Other 4% (-2)

Also once again the Liberals are 1st among the young, likely because of their stances on identity and immigrations. https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/535504/sondage-le-plq-et-la-ca... Interesting that the age group that cost them the 2012 election are now the main group that's keeping them afloat.

Why ask to be banned?  Just don't post.  Sounds like a martyr complex.

QS billboards in the neighbourhood (and there's a lot of them) instead of putting up the candidate's smiling face all over, they are all their policies. Cutting the cost of public transit in half, free college etc.. The only billboards with faces is just one with both Massé and Nadeau- Dubois face. It's unique and smart. They are making people look at their platform to see for themselves what the party stands for instead of QS as a party being picked apart by mainstream media.

The only real hiccup in their campaign so far was acknowleging Anglophones. Which again, was smart to show that the party is inclusionary. Too bad they were shamed into backing away from that comment.

Walking the streets their platform is all there for everyone to see. It's frustrating that a party of the people can't seem to make it passed 10%. The alternative, Legault, is no friend of the public and the sheeple are looking to his wretched party as an alternative. It's sad. Legault offers NOTHING to the working class and the poor. Nothing. In fact they are the ones who are going to get hit hardest by this disgusting man and his despicable party.

Anyway,I think QS is promoting themselves really well on the main roads. One day their message will get through the public's thick skulls.

lagatta4 wrote:

One of the problems "acknowledging anglophones", as well as people who speak other languages, is simply $$$. I don't have time to translate everything for them nowadays, as I'm involved in a lot of bureaucratic stuff and looking for translating and editing/copy-editing jobbines.  So are the other qualified people I know.

 What's with the parentheses on acknowleging anglophones? We exist  whether you like it or not. For 200 years. I think Manon Masse saying that there is an English community in Quebec was smart. Sounds like you were one of the people who shamed them for it. In which case,shame on you.

lagatta4 wrote:

In the meantime there will be NO French debate in New Brunswick, an officially bilingual province.

Well I certainly don't agree with that. It's wrong and disrespectful. French speaking New Brunswickers should be out in the streets,imo.

And to be clear,I don't see the reason for an English debate since we exist but are the very small minority.

I think the next time someone here in Montreal or asll of Quebec bitches about their rights here, what's happening in New Brunswick should be shoved in their faces. Quebec is much more tolerant evidently.

If QS doesn't make a major breakthrough this time, I'd say they'd really need to take a look at whether sovereigntism needs to be as immediate a goal as they're still insisting on making it.   Yes, they've absord the ON vote, but what good is that?  The largest bloc of votes they could swing their way would be working-class allophones(even though there's no longer any valid reason for anybody to vote PQ, the 18%-20% of the vote they've had for the last three years still seems to be holding up) and sovereigntism first is clearly a deal-breaker for them.  Why doesn't QS focus, instead, on simply working to build a socialist Quebec as the first item on the agenda?  If it's a choice between pursuing votes you COULD get and votes you're never going to get, why continue to focus on the ones you're never going to get?

They could make the switch I'm talking about without renouncing Quebec's right to self-determination, after all.

lagatta4 wrote:

Nothing wrong with having an English debate though, or one in any language in which a significant number of parties can find a spokesperson who speaks it. Including Indigenous languages.

This is an interesting idea. I'm certainly in favour of parties providing translations of their platforms, but I wonder if having a formal debate (as opposed to, say, a panel discussion on APTN) among spokespeople in Mohawk or Inuktitut -- languages none of the leaders speak -- would give the wrong impression. Certainly whomever the parties found to speak Mohawk for the debate would care considerably more about the community's concerns than their leaders would, especially when the spokespeople wouldn't even necessarily be candidates, let alone guaranteed some kind of lieutenant-type role in a potential government. By contrast, NB not having a French debate at all completely accurately conveys the truth that none of the NB leaders give enough of a shit about the francophone community to bother.

Honestly the whole controversy about English being an official language isn't really Massé's fault. It started on twitter and Massé isn't the one who controls the QS twitter account. Some intern was either misinformed of the law or doesn't have a perfect grasp of English made a mistake and then Massé made a badly worded statement on it, no big deal.

I believe Gabriel will be our spokesperson at the English debate, as his English is much better than hers.

All the stories I've read have been saying Massé will be at the english debate.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4397082/quebec-leaders-debate-english/

I'm glad there will be an English debate, it'll be interesting to see the leaders communicate with the anglo community beyond the extremely minimal statements we typically get. Also I agree them cancelling the french New Brunswick debate is disgraceful.

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Why ask to be banned?  Just don't post.  Sounds like a martyr complex.

Death by cop.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Why ask to be banned?  Just don't post.  Sounds like a martyr complex.

Death by cop.

Sure to be used as bragging rights on other "friendlier" boards.

WWWTT wrote:

Hi fellow babblers. I'm trying to understand Quebec politics. For some reason I find it difficult. I partially blame myself for only having a limited grasp of the French language (and that's being generous!) I think I'm losing something in the translation and or cultural differences?

I'm sure if I just keep reading researching more about the players parties background etc etc, perhaps I can visualize some kind of image enough to make a better comment beyond "I'm lost here".

Thanks

Lagatta and Unionist are probably your best tutors on the subjects.

Actually, there has often - perhaps even usually - been a debate in English.