Doug Ford - If Justin Trudeau Can't Do His Job As PM, I'm Going To Do It For Him!

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Sat, 2018-10-20 12:13

Mighty Middle

Doug Ford seems to be on a power trip right now. He is now alluding that he is prepared to be Premier of Ontario and Prime Minister of Canada at the same time. Fresh off his "faux" win on the Carbon Tax (saying he has more Provinces supporting him, than Trudeau), he has introduced a new policy that he hopes other provinces will align with him.

He is prepared to STRIP healthcare benefits from those suspected of a terrorist crime overseas. Anyone who is under "Suspicion" will not only be denied healthcare, but a driver's licence and any other Provincial benefit they might be entitled to. Plus he has not ruled out having the person's children taken away from them.

Ford says if Trudeau is not prepared to be Prime Minister, he has no choice but to step up and fill the void. As being the Premier of the largest province in Canada gives him that right. And he is convcinced he can get other provinces to back him up on this, and follow his lead. Like the Carbon Tax,

So not only is he Premier of Ontario, he now wants to be Mayor of Toronto (council-slash) and Prime Minister of Canada.

Power-Trip

Sat, 2018-10-20 13:05

Michael Moriarity

Mighty Middle wrote:

He is prepared to STRIP healthcare benefits from those suspected of a terrorist crime overseas. Anyone who is under "Suspicion" will not only be denied healthcare, but a driver's licence and any other Provincial benefit they might be entitled to. Plus he has not ruled out having the person's children taken away from them.

If he tries to do this, he really will have to use the notwithstanding clause, because there isn't a chance in hell that the Ontario courts, or the SCC, will fail to strike down such a law as unconstitutional.

Sat, 2018-10-20 13:41

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Unionist

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

He is prepared to STRIP healthcare benefits from those suspected of a terrorist crime overseas. Anyone who is under "Suspicion" will not only be denied healthcare, but a driver's licence and any other Provincial benefit they might be entitled to. Plus he has not ruled out having the person's children taken away from them.

If he tries to do this, he really will have to use the notwithstanding clause, because there isn't a chance in hell that the Ontario courts, or the SCC, will fail to strike down such a law as unconstitutional.

Just wondering, Michael... on what grounds do you think such a court decision would rely? Not saying you're wrong, just trying to work it out.

Sat, 2018-10-20 13:36

WWWTT

I searched for this comment and came up empty handed. I’m not commenting on anything that I can confirm yet

Sat, 2018-10-20 13:41

(Reply to #4) #5

Unionist

WWWTT wrote:

I searched for this comment and came up empty handed. I’m not commenting on anything that I can confirm yet

Here you go, WWWTT:

Ontario PCs will table bill to strip returning extremist fighters of license, benefits

Sat, 2018-10-20 14:02

WWWTT

Thanks brother!

Ok here’s a quick comment.

I would have thought the conservatives would have moved on from these type of wedge issues?

Also there’s the possibility that since Syrian government is wrapping up these alleged religious extremists, I would expect a lot of them to be leaving Syria to return back to their countries of origin.

I have read that China had sent troops to support Assad because religious extremists from western China were there fighting and training with other extremists. So I’m not sure who the US is supporting?

Sat, 2018-10-20 14:29

(Reply to #6) #7

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

I would have thought the conservatives would have moved on from these type of wedge issues?

Ford Government is STACKED with former Stephen Harper staffers and former MPs (now MPPs) so this is Stephen Harper 2.0 starring Doug Ford.

They make policy based on the premise "How do the folks at the Tim Horton's in Fenelon Falls, Ontario feel about this?"

Sat, 2018-10-20 15:27

(Reply to #7) #8

Michael Moriarity

Unionist wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

He is prepared to STRIP healthcare benefits from those suspected of a terrorist crime overseas. Anyone who is under "Suspicion" will not only be denied healthcare, but a driver's licence and any other Provincial benefit they might be entitled to. Plus he has not ruled out having the person's children taken away from them.

If he tries to do this, he really will have to use the notwithstanding clause, because there isn't a chance in hell that the Ontario courts, or the SCC, will fail to strike down such a law as unconstitutional.

Just wondering, Michael... on what grounds do you think such a court decision would rely? Not saying you're wrong, just trying to work it out.

Well, I'm not a lawyer, (I was once, but that was before the Charter existed) but I think that depriving a person of the necessities of life, such as health care, based on suspicion of some crime of which they have not been convicted would be contrary to what used to be called, before the charter, "natural justice", a concept which I believe has been incorporated into the various sections of the Charter. At the very least, there would have to be a judicial procedure set up to provide due process to someone whose right to health care is being removed.

As for the lesser punishments, such as no driver's license or other provincial benefits, the case is perhaps weaker, but still, I think this sort of discrimination based on suspicion, rather than proven bad behaviour would likely be in breach of due process requirements as well. It might be possible to set up some sort of quasi-judicial kangaroo court that would satisfy this requirement, but its proceedings would also be compelled to avoid discrimination based on religion, ethnicity, and so on. Of course, I could be wrong. If so, perhaps an actual lawyer could point out my errors.

Sat, 2018-10-20 16:24

Sean in Ottawa

Wow. Ford is an idiot who is making the province more dangerous.

Consider this -- if a person is an extremist and violent person and they come back here. How do you suppose we can get them to be extreme and violent here? Well, make them as angry and desperate as possible.

You can argue not to let them back (although as citizens this argument is likely invalid) you can argue about some kind of prison, but punishing people and making their lives difficult does not tend to make them less likely to cause harm.

Stupid Ford does have at his disposal a health system. A more reasonable response would be to make sure they get seen and monitored so that any mental health disturbances do not make them dangerous again. If they are really dangerous now then a determination can also be made.

But punishment is what Ford knows so he will make the province more dangerous by offering that instead of mental health support. You may not like them but we are all invested in them getting a chance to be succeed nonviolently.

Sat, 2018-10-20 16:58

#10

Mighty Middle

It is kind of obvious that Andrew Scheer and Doug Ford are working together to tag team Justin Trudeau. Ford office is stacked with former Harper staffers who come from the hard-right. And issue is not dominating the provinical level, only the federal level with Scheer recent "Jihad Jack" rhetoric. It is obvious this was suggested by Scheer team, and team Ford is only to happy to run with it, to bash Trudeau.

But I have to wonder, did the Conservatives learn anything from the 2015 election? This type of politicing of fear and division, xenophobia and lurid stories of immigrants. Majority of Canadians rejected this. Remember the Conservatives conceded that the "tone" was too harsh in the last election. But here we see them playing from the same songbook.

Even on Marijuana which should be a non-starter, Andrew Scheer is giving interviews on what he would change in terms of legalization. Leaving the door open for full recriminalization. But being clear that he wants to increase the age of use from 18 to higher.

Either their war room and policy team is acting on pure idealogy and they have blinders on. Or they have hired a very bad pollster who is telling them the wrong things.

Sat, 2018-10-20 19:04

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WWWTT

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

He is prepared to STRIP healthcare benefits from those suspected of a terrorist crime overseas. Anyone who is under "Suspicion" will not only be denied healthcare, but a driver's licence and any other Provincial benefit they might be entitled to. Plus he has not ruled out having the person's children taken away from them.

If he tries to do this, he really will have to use the notwithstanding clause, because there isn't a chance in hell that the Ontario courts, or the SCC, will fail to strike down such a law as unconstitutional.

Not really sure about that?

I’m currently under the impression that Ford can pass such a law and that only if someone who has been discriminated by it can forward the challenge in court. Then a judge can make the ruling of unconstitutional. Forcing Ford to use section 33 of the charter.

Theoretically this law can pass. Be enforced and never challenged.

Sat, 2018-10-20 19:17

#12

Mr. Magoo

Even prisoners get health care.

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They make policy based on the premise "How do the folks at the Tim Horton's in Fenelon Falls, Ontario feel about this?"

And not the counter staff at that Tim Horton's, either. Just the angry men in the MAGA hats and "If You Don't Stand Behind Our Troops, Stand in Front of Them" shirts.

Sat, 2018-10-20 23:35

(Reply to #12) #13

cco

WWWTT wrote:

I have read that China had sent troops to support Assad because religious extremists from western China were there fighting and training with other extremists. So I’m not sure who the US is supporting?

The US is supporting whichever branch of al-Qaeda is currently calling themselves the Syrian Front for Democracy and Puppies. You know, the ones who on those media maps are labeled "rebels" instead of "ISIS" or "Kurds".

Sun, 2018-10-21 20:26

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WWWTT

cco wrote:

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Yes I just find it odd (in a way) that the Ford government is going to make it hard for Canadians that went somewhere to fight for something that Canadian liberal government actually supported? Government change in Syria.

Mon, 2018-10-22 12:06

#15

Mighty Middle

Andrew Scheer and Doug Ford continue to tag-team Justin Trudeau. While the provincial Tories introduce this bill stripping healthcare benefits from people SUSPECTED of a terrorism crimes, the federal Tories introduce a motion Liberals to clarify plan for returning ISIS fighters.

Tag teaming continues as former Harper staffers work in both Ford and Scheer offices.

Mon, 2018-10-22 17:16

#16

gadar

Attorney General Caroline "Mulroney, acknowledged she has delayed delivering critically needed, already-budgeted funding to sexual-assault crisis centres across the province."

Still cheering Wynne's defeat?

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2018/10/21/advice-to-doug-for...

Mon, 2018-10-22 17:19

#17

gadar

"On October 2, Doug Ford announced in the Ontario legislature that his government would be “getting rid” of Bill 148. Introduced by the Liberals, it’s an employment and labour reform bill that:

• guarantees part-time workers will be paid the same rate a full-time workers doing the same job
• orders employers to pay workers for three hours if their shift is cancelled with less than 48 hours notice
• gives workers three weeks of vacation after five years of employment, as well as 10 personal days a year—two of which must be paid."

https://www.chatelaine.com/living/politics/doug-ford-cuts/

Thu, 2018-10-25 15:33

#18

Misfit

Doug Ford sounds just like H G Wells.