Actions against the rightwing coup in Venezuela?

Thank you for this thread...it is important, first, to see who is lining up in support of this coup attempt. A Nation wide organization must be established in support of constitutional legitimacy in Venezuela. (My base is Kelowna and Vancouver). We must have on the grounds presence in Venezuela!!

Who is denying the legitimacy of the previous presidential election, which is at the core of the matter here.

Which international observer teams participated and their response?
Can Canada claim legitimacy in its elections, ruled by money and corporate media prejudice, in violation of our Section 3 democratic rights, not to mention Government violations of its own proposed election program?

Rally against Canadian and U.S. support for a coup against the government of Venezuela.

Where: 201 Portage Avenue, Winnipeg (outside the US Consulate at Notre Dame and Portage Avenue)

Date: Saturday, Jan. 26, 2019

Time: 3 PM

The rally is sponsored by the Venezuela Peace Committee and Peace Alliance Winnipeg.

montgomery wrote:

lagatta4 wrote:

Any where you live?

Remember, one need not be uncritical of Maduro to oppose this coup supported by such ghastly folk as Trump and Bolsonaro...

Yes, once again imperialist aggression and which could very likely be the US's 41st. war of aggression since WW2!

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Shame on Trudeau. And Singh, stop being a lapdog.

That comment provides no answers. Maybe an outspoken campaign voiced by either of their parties to educate Canadians on the facts. But it would have to be subtle and very slow persuasion.

Probably no more than 30% of Canadians ar thinking our way right now.

 

Then again, are YOU "thinking our way now"?  Most of your recent posts here are simply dismissive of what whoever you are exchanging posts with at the moment has to say, and you repeatedly come to the conclusion that any course of action anyone here suggests is utterly futile-following which, you never offer any constructive alternatives to anything anyone else suggests-while, at the same time, insisting that the rest of us defer to you because you are "the new face of the NDP".

Speaking truth to power is the first step on the journey to convincing a plurality that the NDP or any other party that proposes an alternative to the status quo is worth a vote. If you never engage the issue then no Canadian gets anything except the pro-NATO imperial position.

The NDP needs to not only be as forthright as Svend it also needs to allow its MP's to march in the streets with other like minded people to demand that the coup not be supported by Canada. Maybe when people attend events we can get accounts of which MP's, if any, attended

iyraste1313 wrote:

If Svend plays it right like the other most successful leaders, he'll do the romancing first and if he doesn't then he'll get shit on by people like you, the same as Jagmeet is getting shit on.  .......

This is 2019, the year of major ecological and economic and financial collapse...your statement suggests nothing of this....old style politics may work when people are comfortable, treating politics as an amusing hobby...but when people get desperate, it´s a new game...too bad people don´t learn anything from history or the present!
What this case of Venezuela demonstrates is that traditional political strategies do not work! Does anyone think the Deep State through its proxies would ever allow a revolutionary change to the status quo? What with our oil wealth ad nauseum destroying the heart and soul of this country?

A revolutionary anti imperialist movement in this country must be built from the base communities, what with change to our personal lives, community engagement, economic roles, financial strategies, building a movement based in the real world, in preparation, before we could assume a political role, without being crushed as what is now going on in Venezuela.....we must learn something from the history of the Bolivarian Movement...and its failures!

That which you quoted me as saying has nothing to do with your comments in that post. 

I have however talked about another attempt at change in the US by some politician with the same aspirations as Bernie. And then, if the American people can break through the establishment status quo, it will carry over to Canada. Sadly, as long as we're so close to the US as allies in their aggression, we're going to be dictated to by them and no real social change will happen. 

Just ask Canadian people how they love the US. And how they have been brainwashed into hating Russia/Putin. You'll probably find some on this very forum! 

montgomery]</p> <p>[quote=lagatta4 wrote:

I do NOT think most Canadians hate Russians in the least. Being critical of Putin does not mean hating the Russian people or Russian culture (from ballet to hockey). And many loathe Trump.

 

I would suggest that to accept the US line of [b]irrational[/b] hate for Putin, equates to hate of Russia. You yourself are 'critical' of Putin but you don't explain why. I would really like to hear it because I suspect it's irrational to be critical of Putin. But do remember, when you tell me why you are critical of Putin, you have to separate that from being critical of Russia. Can you do that?

I'm bearing in mind that Putin/Russia is not the topic of the thread. But the connection above is obvious so I would suggest that it's not completely off-topic.

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As for Venezuela, it is not at all necessary to be uncritical of Chavismo, Maduro or the most recent Venezuelan elections to oppose INTERVENTION in the affairs of other countries. The US has a long history of that, following in the footsteps of Britain, France and other powers. The so-called "White Man's Burden".

I totally disagree with your statement on being critical of Maduro, etc., because in my opinion you have skipped a step in the process. The US has interfered in Venezuela with the intent of destroying Maduro's government and so anyone criticizing Maduro and his government must first understand that. And as I've said repeatedly, to bring the point home to those who still don't understand, Venezuela will quite likely be the US's 41st. war of aggression since WW2. A detailed study of the other 40 will show that it's always been the same reasons. US imperialist aggression! 

edit: I did my best to understand that last statement of yours so if I've got it wrong then that's fine. We're on the same page. Double negatives.

Vladimir Putin is a reactionary, homophobic, antiMuslim-and also almost certainly antisemitic-Great Russian Nationalist.  Putin took cynical advantage of the justifiable anger ordinary Russians felt about the humiliating and pointlessly vindictive treatment the US inflicted on post-Soviet Russia, ranging from the massive, crippling austerity the US and "The West" imposed on the economy of "democratic" Russia, to the Western insistence on pushing for the size of the Russian Federation to be shrunk as much as possible, to Bill Clinton's repeated, arrogant insistence on referring to the US as "the world's ONLY remaining superpower"-in other words, all the ways "The West" forced post-Soviet Russia to play the role of the vanquished nation when it should have been invited to be an equal partner in the creation of peace and prosperity, and when the people of Russia were utterly blameless for anything done by the regime between 1924 and 1991-to make and win an argument that a peaceful, democratic future was a future of subjugation, poverty, hopelessness and shame.  Putin was able to create a political consensus that democracy should be replaced with a kind of electoral Tsarism-with himself as the next tsar-that Russian society had to be based on an obsession with territorial revanchism as crucial to the re-establishment of national dignity, on an obsession with hypermasculinity, male supremacism, and an utterly irrational paranoia about LGBTQ people-including the restoration of the toxic myth that gays are responsible for most pedophilia.

I agree that the man is no threat to global order, but it is equally clear that he has crushed all positive, progressive, and humane values within Russia, has centered bigotry, cruelty, and paranoia about any form of nonconformity, and has encouraged an essentially fascist consciousness, including the emergence of fascist hate groups, a latter-day Russian version of the freikorps, within Russia.

The guy may have slightly reduced violence in Syria...and if he did I'll give him that...but other than that, why should anyone who claims to be in any part of the left give the man even "critical support"?  There is no possible way that anything Putin is doing can ever help create a peaceful, socialist, or even mildly egalitarian world, and he has clearly shown himself to be utterly devoid of any empathy or humanity.  What's to like?

Thanks, iyraste1313! Your links didn't work for me, but at least I found this about the Toronto action - it must be ongoing as I'm posting. Haven't found a working link to the VOW letter yet, though.

But the Bolivarian movement in Venezuela has millions of supporters. Most are poor people who would lose out under a new rightwing government. While the Venezuelan military may be corrupt and not very willing to fight, many people will surely take up arms to defend the gains they made under Maduro and Chavez.

It might be relatively easy to invade Venezuela and to defeat its regular military. But the following occupation would be a very difficult endeavor. The Pentagon has seen how this worked out in Iraq. It will likely warn against the use of any U.S. troops in Venezuela. Other countries will likewise be careful not to get into such a mess.

The CIA and the coup plotters can hire thousands of throat cutting thugs to do some extreme damage to Venezuela. But they have little chance to win more than a completely destroyed country.

Might that be the real aim? Is the project for the New Middle East Latin America one of complete destruction?

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The Canadian Government, the complicit political parties and the media must be challenged, legally in Federal Court. An action must be prepared through the UN Human Rights Commission. Canada is clearly in violation of its International Human Rights obligations....

In this legal process, preparations must be made to build an anti imperialist, human rights based, sovereignty based political movement, built on personal and community  transition strategy.....silence is complicity!