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The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/m7C6IJ-s6BQ

Compare and contrast the no-show on TPP here by Canada's controlled opposition, vs New Zealand protests. 

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The Secret About Free Trade is Out of the Bag

https://nowtoronto.com/news/free-trade-canada-u.s.-mexico-trump/

"When the project of using trade deals to create prosperity took control of the political agenda during the 1980s, Toronto and Canada had lots of factories and very few food banks - now we have lots of food banks and very few factories. A bad taste may linger among the Canadian public, but so far, astute news management by the Canadian government has prevented any controversy from welling up or spilling over..."

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Future of World Trade Organization splits leaders at Asia-Pacific summit

Disagreement over the body that resolves global trade disputes split Asia-Pacific countries at an international economic summit, leaving the annual gathering the victim of a trade war between the world's two biggest economies.

The Liberals have been championing changes to the World Trade Organization, which has drawn the ire of U.S. President Donald Trump, organizing a meeting last month in Ottawa to start crafting a road map for reforms.

The U.S. has openly blocked the appointments of new judges to the WTO's dispute settlement mechanism, known as the appellate body — a tactic that threatens to paralyze the organization and prevent it from making decisions.

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The outcome seemed destined from the start of the summit as China and the United States used the annual forum to lay out competing visions for trade and investment at the gathering of nations, which combined represent about 60 per cent of the global economy and half of global trade.

Chinese President Xi Jinping and U.S. Vice-President Mike Pence traded barbs Saturday in a battle for global influence. Both left the summit by early Sunday afternoon amid what reports described as tense backroom negotiations on the wording of the final communique from the summit.

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Thousands march in Montreal in support of farmers, against trade concessions

Half a dozen tractors rolled through the streets of downtown Montreal on Sunday as thousands of people marched in support of farmers who say they're threatened by the new U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade agreement.

Many in the crowd brandished signs and kitchen utensils and pushed shopping carts as they joined an hour-long march organized by Quebec's farmers' union.

The union, known by its French language acronym UPA, says Canada made "unprecedented" concessions in the dairy sector during negotiations for the USMCA deal.

President Marcel Groleau argued that producers in Quebec have to pay higher wages and meet higher environmental standards than those in the United States and Mexico.

He called on the Quebec and federal governments to support local products and make sure any new imports have to meet the same standards Quebec producers are bound by.

"The security of a nation depends first and foremost on its ability to feed itself," he said.

Canadian dairy farmers stand to lose 3.59 per cent of their market to U.S. producers under the new trade deal, although the federal government has promised to compensate producers for their expected losses.

The marchers, many of whom were bussed in from all over Quebec, stretched over several city blocks as they wound their way through Montreal's downtown.

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While she was disappointed with the Trudeau government's concessions on dairy, she said she understands there's likely no going back.

"Protesting and making noise isn't good anymore — it's about educating people the right way," she said.

The union has been appealing directly to consumers, urging them to reject the new imports and support local producers.

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US Busts APEC Summit With Tariff  Demands - NYT Blames China

https://t.co/rD1fRpklUO

"A New York Times report about last weekend's summit in Asia demonstrates how US media misinform their readers about international events..."

And it shows.

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from Rabble.....General Motors (GM) has decided to walk away from its last auto-assembly plant in Oshawa, Ontario. The Detroit-based company made the announcement this morning that it would idle five plants in North America and cut around 14,000 jobs. The prime suspect? Donald J. Trump.

Huh?? Nothing about our local traitors in support of neoliberalism, collapsing our national industrial system?

About the inevitable collapse of a globalist economic(sic) financial system?

NDPP

#NoNAFTA2

https://twitter.com/FlushtheTPP/status/1067427826608062464

"Trump's new NAFTA is a threat to our environment and our communities. The deal will be signed at G20 Argentina. Join the days of action this Friday and Saturday for #NoNAFTA2"

No days of action here. This is Canada. Protest was barely there before. Even less now. 

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China Warns US that Trade War Could Escalate Into 'Great Depression & World War'

https://on.rt.com/9jdw

"An escalation of the Sino-American trade conflict could lead to a repeat of the great catastrophes of the 20th century, a Chinese envoy has warned, just as Donald Trump once again threatened to slap China with additional tariffs..."

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..anyone feeling that gb would do better under wto rules rather than staying with eu should contemplate a re think. there are no good options.

Globalization, Inequality & the Predictable Corporate Takeover of the WTO (1/2) 

The corporate takeover of platforms like the World Trade Organization has been denounced by developing countries and activists for decades and today the denunciations are reflected in rebuttals to pro-corporate machinations like those unpacked in this series of presentations at the 2018 World Trade Organization Public Forum

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DEBORAH JAMES: We should debate what are the sources of poverty reduction in the world, that which is happening and that which is not happening. And now we’re seeing the negative impacts of globalization in high income countries such as mine, the United States, and this has in recent years contributed to political upheaval. But that globalization has been defended as if it were a great boost to millions of people throughout the world. So if we understand that this type of globalization has not benefited the majority of people in developing countries and we understand that now there’s a huge populist revolt because that same globalization model has not benefited the vast majority of people even in the developed countries. But at the same time, there’s been a huge increase in wealth creation and a huge increase in trade and investment flows. Where’s all the money going?

Well, it turns out that we have the answer in this year’s Trade and Development Report. It’s going to the top one percent of superstar vampire corporations who are sucking even more wealth out of the vast majority of people around the world in the Global North and the Global South and everywhere in between. And we would say that this corporate takeover is the predictable result of these firms using their wealth to intervene in the economy, to rewrite the rules through the WTO and also through bilateral and regional trade agreements, and through electing austerity-focused national governments.

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RICHARD KOZUL-WRIGHT: And by hyper-globalization, we basically see three distinct features from the earlier period of globalization from the end of the Second World War. Clearly, there’s an ideological component with the rise of neoliberalism as the dominant economic narrative. Neoliberalism, though, is not simply about more markets. That’s a very basic kind of philosophical failure in a lot of the discussion of neoliberalism. Neoliberalism is fundamentally about creating a set of rules that allow business to do what it wants, how it wants, where it wants, unencumbered by the actions of governments and other potentially distortionary elements, democracy, trade unions, other things that might get in the way of business doing what it wants, how it wants, where it wants.

And because people like, particularly neoliberals who haven’t read him, like to go back to Adam Smith at this point as a kind of father figure of the neoliberal tradition, which he wasn’t, of course, and Smith had two very important insights about what we would call a rules-based system. Smith recognized, particularly in The Theory of Moral Sentiments, that a rules-based system didn’t just depend on the details of the rules themselves, but the trust that people had in those rules and whether people trusted both the rules and the execution of those rules, that was a key feature of Smith’s understanding of a healthy political economy. And one of the things that we track, particularly since the financial crisis although there were signs of it before of course, was the removal of trust from political systems both at the national level, but I think also the international level, too.

At the national level it’s pretty obvious why this has happened. The response to the financial crisis was, essentially, how do we save the banks. And we saved the banks both by handing out very large amounts of taxpayers’ money, which is how the banking system survived and recovered after the crisis, and then shifting the burden of the consequences of that action onto the vast majority of people through policies of economic austerity. And that combination of saving the institutions that caused the problems in the first instance and then shifting the burden onto your average citizen has clearly removed most people’s sense of trust in the institutions ultimately whose job it is to provide for the welfare of its citizenry.

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..no transcript. video 1.2 hrs long

..in the opening statement deborah james talks about globalization taking the credit for lifting people out of poverty. the facts that james produces is that the number the wto uses is what occurred in china only..using their form of globalization. which ironically doesn't follow the rules of the wto.

Our World Is Not For Sale: 2018 World Trade Organization Public Forum (2/2)

TRNN presents full length documentary footage taken inside the World Trade Organization at the WTO 2018 Public Forum OWINFS session denouncing the WTO rules based order as a world system run by and for the world’s most powerful nations and corporations.

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Canada Arrests Chief Financial Officer of China's Huawei

https://www.france24.com/en/20181206-canada-arrests-chief-financial-offi...

"The chief financial officer of China's global telecomms giant Huawei has been arrested in Canada and faces extradition to the United States, officials said Friday, triggering a strong protest by Beijing, which called for her immediate release.

Meng Wanzhou's detention comes after American authorities reportedly launched an investigation into suspected sanctions [violations] by Huawei, which was already under scrutiny by US intelligence officials who deemed the company a national security threat...."

So Canada arrested her for supposedly 'violating' the sactions illegally imposed by USA in contravention of  a multilateral, UN approved JCPOA deal with Iran etc. Doing dirty work for USA is what Canada does best. This offensive is only just beginning. Soon Canucklheads will be made to hate China just like they do Russia. And it will come just as easily. Whatever's in the pages of NYT, WaPo, the Globe or the Guardian, will soon be in heads here. And those who question the coming propaganda war will be reviled by the msm gullible know-nothings as China 'stooges'.

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Canada's Arrest of Huawei CFO Sparks China's Protest

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/12/06/582107/Canada-arrest-China-Hua...

"...A Canadian source with knowledge of the arrest said the US is alleging Meng tried to evade the American embargo against Iran. Beijing protested the arrest and urged Ottawa to immediately release her as she faces extradition to the US."

Trade Truce Over? Canada Arrests Huawei CFO at US Request

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-05/trade-truce-over-canada-arrest...

'Whatever you say, big Mike...'

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Mike+Pompeo/Chrystia+Freeland/Secretary+Sta...

WWWTT

Guaranteed, China will retaliate!

Any Canadian business person going to China, after this arrest, may be detained in retaliation! For sure any US business person may.

Get ready for a recession Canada, thanks Justin, fuckin shit for brains worst PM this country ever had! Harper looks like Ghandi next to you assfuck!

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WWWTT wrote:

Guaranteed, China will retaliate!

Any Canadian business person going to China, after this arrest, may be detained in retaliation! For sure any US business person may.

Get ready for a recession Canada, thanks Justin, fuckin shit for brains worst PM this country ever had! Harper looks like Ghandi next to you assfuck!

While I agree that this was a foolhardy and counterproductive act, I think Harper would have been even more eager than Trudeau to do Trump's bidding. Why would you even doubt that? After all, Harper wanted Canada to join the "coalition of the the willing" invading Iraq in 2003.

voice of the damned

WWWTT wrote:

Guaranteed, China will retaliate!

Any Canadian business person going to China, after this arrest, may be detained in retaliation! For sure any US business person may.

Get ready for a recession Canada, thanks Justin, fuckin shit for brains worst PM this country ever had! Harper looks like Ghandi next to you assfuck!

I doubt you're gonna see China go on a mass-arresting spree of US businessmen; not unless they want to do serious damage to their economic relations. Any retaliation would more likely be directed against missionaries, NGOs, and other economically nebulous do-gooders, eg. that Canadian family who were detained a few years ago near the North Korean border, and had already been engaged in somewhat questionable activities(eg. drawing attention to sanctions-busters on-line) prior to their arrest.

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You're not thinking about what you're writting here MM.

Harper increased trade to China by very big numbers. He wanted to eliminate the use of US dollars in trade between Canada/China and did (in theory)! Harper actually did the most of any PM in Canada's history to lessen the trade dependency Canada suffers from with the US (as far as I know)

China was not in Iraq in 2003, Harper was opposition in 2003, not PM.

Also I'm venting here somewhat. Only Ghandi is Ghandi. Sorry if I insulted anyone.

WWWTT

voice of the damned wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Guaranteed, China will retaliate!

Any Canadian business person going to China, after this arrest, may be detained in retaliation! For sure any US business person may.

Get ready for a recession Canada, thanks Justin, fuckin shit for brains worst PM this country ever had! Harper looks like Ghandi next to you assfuck!

I doubt you're gonna see China go on a mass-arresting spree of US businessmen; not unless they want to do serious damage to their economic relations. Any retaliation would more likely be directed against missionaries, NGOs, and other economically nebulous do-gooders, eg. that Canadian family who were detained a few years ago near the North Korean border, and had already been engaged in somewhat questionable activities(eg. drawing attention to sanctions-busters on-line) prior to their arrest.

Possibly? But for sure China will retaliate. And not in any subtle way you have mentioned.

Stock markets are already reacting and this act is sending lots of fear among those who travel for business. Chinese tourism to Canada will be seriously impacted.

Possibly because of the Canadian dependence on the US, Canada may be sheltered, somewhat?

 

NDPP

Canada Arrests Huawei's Global Chief Financial Officer in Vancouver

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canada-has-arrested-huawe...

"...Chinese Ambassador Lu Shaye and four high-ranking members of the National People's Congress canceled an appearance before the House of Commons foreign affairs committee scheduled for Thursday.

David Mulroney, a former Canadian ambassador to China predicted the arrest of Ms Meng will promote a backlash in China and hurt Huawei's efforts to gain business in western countries. 'This is a really big deal. Ms Meng is by birth and position a member of China's corporate royalty,' he said. 'Her arrest on suspicion of violating the Iran sanctions, should be seen as a clear signal that Canada is willing to face China's fury to do the right thing.'

'That said, it will be portrayed in China as Canada kowtowing to Donald Trump. Republican Senator Marco Rubio lauded Canada for the arrest of Ms Meng. Mr Rubio and Democratic Senator Mark Warner wrote to Mr Trudeau in October to caution that failure to ban Huawei could interfere with intelligence sharing and impair cross border cooperation in tele communications. Repubican Senator Ben Sasse, a member of the Senate armed services and banking committees, also praised Canada for the arrest and criticized Huawei as an agent of China's ruling party.

'China is working creatively to undermine our national security interests, and the United States and our allies can't sit on the sidelines,' Mr Sasse said. 'Americans are grateful that our Canadian partners have arrested the Chief Financial Officer of a giant Chinese telecom for breaking US sanctions against Iran. Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen said Huaawei and Chinese telecom ZTE represent  fundamental risk to Western national security..."

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A vassal state could not do anything else. The US does not want Chinese cellphones flooding their market. They fear that the Chinese security forces will be able to replicate the 5 Eyes current ability to track cellphone activity in the West. Trudeau is a puppet. Since the turn of the century our financial, business and military elites have all been integrated into the US sphere, in an unprecedented way historically. We are a sovereign nation in name only.

NDPP

Yes, and so we just destroyed our relationship with China as instructed, in  the blink of an eye at the bidding of our American Psycho overlords because their illegal siege warfare against Iran must be obeyed. Meanwhile, free trade with Apartheid Israel or Nazi Ukraine, or multi-billion dollar arms deals with Saudi to murder Yemenis are peachy-keen and A-OK.  The Chinese are justifiably outraged over this gutless Canadian treachery as they should be.

Canadian Businesses Face Retaliatory Risk After Huawei Arrests: Analysts

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canadian-businesses-face-retaliatory-ris...

"Canada's arrest of Huawei Technologies' chief financial officer in Vancouver is fuelling concern that Canadian business people in China are at risk of being arrested in retaliation. That view is being advanced by international security analysts and former diplomats, following the arrest on Saturday of Meng Wanzhou. Chinese officials are loudly calling for Meng's release and want Canada to reveal the reason for her arrest. 

'The Chinese are likely to play tit for tat on this one and we should be ready for it,' said Fen Hampson, the director of the global security program at the Centre for Governance Innovation in southern Ontario..."

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

A vassal state could not do anything else. The US does not want Chinese cellphones flooding their market. They fear that the Chinese security forces will be able to replicate the 5 Eyes current ability to track cellphone activity in the West. Trudeau is a puppet. Since the turn of the century our financial, business and military elites have all been integrated into the US sphere, in an unprecedented way historically. We are a sovereign nation in name only.

Disagree!

First of I believe HuaWei phones are banned in the US

https://www.cnet.com/news/why-some-of-the-flashiest-huawei-android-p20-p20-pro-mate-10-pro-phones-arent-in-the-us/

Secondly, Justin can refuse the US  But I suspect that Justin was very desperate for a free trade deal and is very afraid the US will retaliate, in other words he’s a chicken shit  and in full “kiss Trumps ass” mode

 

 

 

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I don't quite understand where we disagree and where we agree. After your blanket disagreement you seem to have subtly agreed with the main thrust of what I said. This is from your link above.

So what's the problem?

It's all about national security. The US government has expressed concern that Huawei might be spying on us through its products, specifically its telecommunications equipment. In 2012, a House Intelligence Committee report detailed concerns that both Huawei and ZTE, a fellow Chinese vendor, pose a threat to national security. US companies were banned from buying Huawei equipment. 

NDPP

Re: 'Canadian authorities have arrested Huawei's CFO at the request of the US over Iran sanctions violations'

"This is an extraordinary embarrassment on Canada."

https://twitter.com/justinpodur/status/1070677580737667072

WWWTT

Don’t believe the US/Canada fear mongering about HuaWei either! Here’s the real reason why HuaWei is banned in the US and probably the real reason behind its CFO arrest in Vancouver 

https://hbr.org/2015/09/huawei-a-case-study-of-when-profit-sharing-works

NDPP

PS. Canada has already surrendered the right to negotiate a free trade deal with China. Under USMCA this can only be done with the permission of the new NAFTA partners. Clearly this is not on with United Snakes. Perhaps the sleepy know-nothings who pay next to no attention to Freeland's foreign policy or any of the plethora of trade deals Canada has signed on to should begin to pay more atttention?

WWWTT

 

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I don't quite understand where we disagree and where we agree. After your blanket disagreement you seem to have subtly agreed with the main thrust of what I said. This is from your link above.

So what's the problem?

It's all about national security. The US government has expressed concern that Huawei might be spying on us through its products, specifically its telecommunications equipment. In 2012, a House Intelligence Committee report detailed concerns that both Huawei and ZTE, a fellow Chinese vendor, pose a threat to national security. US companies were banned from buying Huawei equipment. 

Sorry brother I only used the link to show that HuaWei is banned in the US. 

The security issue is a conspiracy theory front to demonize an successful employee owned multi billion hi tech corporation 

NDPP

"What authority does the USA have to [have its Canadian flunky] arrest Meng Wanzhou? US sanctions on Iran are their business, how can they arrest a Chinese citizen? Imagine the media reaction if China had seized an Apple exec? There'd be a profile in the Guardian and GoFundMe page by now."

https://twitter.com/OffGuardian0/status/1070678339386527744

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The security issue is a red herring because there is no way to protect oneself on this media from the prying eyes of spies from anywhere on the planet. What incenses me the most is that we have arrested a Chinese citizen on the basis that the US is investigating a breach of sanctions that are not UN based. I am hoping that the Judge at the extradition process slaps the government about the head and orders this business woman released.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

The security issue is a red herring because there is no way to protect oneself on this media from the prying eyes of spies from anywhere on the planet. What incenses me the most is that we have arrested a Chinese citizen on the basis that the US is investigating a breach of sanctions that are not UN based. I am hoping that the Judge at the extradition process slaps the government about the head and orders this business woman released.

Amen. I am not a lawyer, but once was, and I think the government may be on thin ice here legally. It has all the hallmarks of a political decision.

NDPP

Dow Plunges 700 Points After Huawei Exec's Arrest, Fears Grow Over US-China Trade Relations

https://on.rt.com/9jyd

"The Dow Jones fell more than 700 points on Thursday, as news broke of Huawei's CFO Meng Wanzhou's arrest and planned extradition to the US. The drop brings the Dow's 2-day losses to 1,500. May was arrested in Vancouver Canada, on Sunday, and now faces extradition to the United States.  Thursday's stock drop also comes as fears of a global economic slowdown circulate..."

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The laughing “jack ass” shit for brains Justin gives his view on the arrest of Meng Wan Zhou 孟晚舟

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-prepared-for-possible-chinese-cyber-retaliation-over-arrest-of/

NDPP

Canada Bends To US Sanctions on Iran, Arrests Huawei CFO (and vid)

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1070845101281300480

"Boy did this get me angry tonight. First time I've seen myself open-mouthed. An act of piracy. An act of war..."

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While I agree that this was a foolhardy and counterproductive act, I think Harper would have been even more eager than Trudeau to do Trump's bidding.

Neither Trudeau nor Harper was in office in 1999, when the Extradition Act was last revised.  That's why Canada arrested her, not because we're a subservient, compliant vassal state, or because Trudeau is a coward and a turncoat, or  whatever.

NDPP

'Harper Urges Trudeau to Ban China's Huawei' - Globe

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US Protectionism Leading Global Trade into 'Deep Crisis'

https://on.rt.com/9kpm

"The multilateral trading system is in deep crisis and the United States is at its epicenter,' EU ambassador Marc Vanheukelen said on Monday as he was addressing the World Trade Organization (WTO)..."

NDPP

Will Trump Declare 'National Emergency' to Ban Huawei? (and vid)

https://youtu.be/Qfi3dzPmbB4

"Amid a rallying stock market, the Trump administration is pondering an executive action to ban US companies from using equipment made by Chinese companies Huawei and ZTE..."

 

Who Pays the Cost of Trump's Political Theater?

https://twitter.com/profwolff/status/1077996465904066560

"Amid all the noise, a fact: the last three intense months of the US-instigated trade/tariff war dropped US stock market twice as far as Chinese stock market fell."

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Illustration by Bruce MacKinnon

NDPP

The Global Slowdown: US Trade War Comes Home

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/01/04/pers-j04.html

"The term 'decoupling', referring to the severing of trade ties between the US and China, has, to quote one commentator, become the 'talk of Washington'. The two countries are embroiled in what has been widely described as a 'new cold war' in which, in the words of former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, an 'iron curtain' has descended over the Pacific..."

 

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Comprehensive Agreement For TPP Entered Into Force

https://journal-neo.org/2019/01/16/comprehensive-agreement-for-trans-pac...

"...The Barack Obama administration began to increasingly regard the TPP project as half of the global framework that had to be established in preparation for the upcoming confrontation with China..."

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Why Pick on Huawei...?

https://buff.ly/2RTDuI3

"Huawei and the double standards of the West...Those big tech companies often also work with governments and militaries [5 eyes] and it's anyone's guess what gets passed on, as whistle-blower Edward Snowden so helpfully revealed in his leak of US spy documents.

To trust one and not the other, simply because one is Western and the other Chinese, is nothing but xenophobia and, dare I say, racist. We all know by now that Huawei is being targeted by US President Donald Trump's administration because it's a large chunk of the Chinese threat to American superpower dominance..."

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What is the Real Reason 5 EYES Mass Interception Partner Countries Are So Opposed to Huawei's 5G?

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1095103996480684032

"NSA leaks from 2013 show that mobile chip maker Qualcomm and Intel are secret NSA partners. Despite huge incentives, 5EYES have not revealed a hardware backdoor in Huawei."

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NDPP wrote:

What is the Real Reason 5 EYES Mass Interception Partner Countries Are So Opposed to Huawei's 5G?

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1095103996480684032

"NSA leaks from 2013 show that mobile chip maker Qualcomm and Intel are secret NSA partners. Despite huge incentives, 5EYES have not revealed a hardware backdoor in Huawei."

It seems that the U.S. intelligence establishment assumes that since it puts back doors in American silicon, the Chinese will do the same with theirs. Either way, for consumers in all countries, it's privacy, schmivacy.

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Michael Moriarity wrote:

NDPP wrote:

What is the Real Reason 5 EYES Mass Interception Partner Countries Are So Opposed to Huawei's 5G?

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1095103996480684032

"NSA leaks from 2013 show that mobile chip maker Qualcomm and Intel are secret NSA partners. Despite huge incentives, 5EYES have not revealed a hardware backdoor in Huawei."

It seems that the U.S. intelligence establishment assumes that since it puts back doors in American silicon, the Chinese will do the same with theirs. Either way, for consumers in all countries, it's privacy, schmivacy.

We either get phones we know 5Eyes can and do spy on or phones that we presume the Chinese can spy on.  Frankly the Chinese are a lot further down on my list of likely agencies that would be tracking a Canadian leftist. I rely on being a really tiny minnow in a vast and almost endless ocean of data traffic.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

NDPP wrote:

What is the Real Reason 5 EYES Mass Interception Partner Countries Are So Opposed to Huawei's 5G?

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1095103996480684032

"NSA leaks from 2013 show that mobile chip maker Qualcomm and Intel are secret NSA partners. Despite huge incentives, 5EYES have not revealed a hardware backdoor in Huawei."

It seems that the U.S. intelligence establishment assumes that since it puts back doors in American silicon, the Chinese will do the same with theirs. Either way, for consumers in all countries, it's privacy, schmivacy.

We either get phones we know 5Eyes can and do spy on or phones that we presume the Chinese can spy on.  Frankly the Chinese are a lot further down on my list of likely agencies that would be tracking a Canadian leftist. I rely on being a really tiny minnow in a vast and almost endless ocean of data traffic.

That's as good an approach as any.

NDPP

"Should the federal government ban Huawei fromn Canada, the cost of ripping out and replacing the equipment from Telus networks could cost the company between $500 and a billion dollars."

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1095202101662232576

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Under Geopolitical Attack: Huawei Alleges US is Waging War on Firm

https://youtu.be/a8zFm32jEMA

Clearly and self-evidently the allegation is true.

NDPP

Mexico Threw Canada 'Under the Bus' Liberal MP Tells Mexican Minister

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/mexico-threw-canada-under-the-bus-libera...

"The side deal between the US and Mexico appeared to blindside the Trudeau government, forcing Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland to abort a three-country trip to Europe. Canada and US negotiators reached an 11th hour agreement that was signed two months later..."

Completely unbelievable that such a major negotiating strategy could be 'missed'. Another Liberal fiasco and prima facie evidence of their abject criminal incompetence leading to the jewel in the crown of bad 'free-trade' agreements they have made on behalf of corrupt international corporatism. Good thing Canadians have long stopped noticing or caring about these sweeping surrenders and loss of sovereignty made on their behalf.

NDPP

US-China Trade Deal Reported To Be In The Making

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/05/chin-m05.html

"Media reports over the past few days have suggested that China and the US are close to a deal on trade with the possibility of a signing ceremony at a summit between US President Trump and China's President Xi Jinping within a few weeks. Beijing is also claiming that progress is being made..."

Meanwhile Canada has committed trade hara-kiri with both countries and things are going from bad to worse.

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US To End Preferential Trade Status For India, Turkey

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/preferential-trade-status-india-t...

"Donald Trump set to open a new front in trade wars with a plan to end preferential trade treatment for India, Turkey..."

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New York Times Lines Up With Anti-China Hawks

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/12/nytc-m12.html

"As US and Chinese negotiators seek to reach a trade deal, the NYT has weighed in with an editorial, lining up with the views of some of the most virulent anti-China hawks, both within the Trump administration and in key sectors of the Democratic party leadership.

The manner in which the economic decline of the US and its ever-increasing bellicosity against China, come together is exemplified in the case of the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei..."

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