Kremlingate part 2

What about your opinion as a longtime hardcore Russiagate conspiracy theory developer? Sorry, as former technical head of the NSA, William Binney went to prison for his whistleblowing and truth-telling, so your smears of his work as 'quackery' notwithstanding, I believe him over you and your gobbledygook. But no surprise to see you choosing double-down over the embarrassment of admitting you're just another dumb chump that's been duped.

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/-W_WIE3hiko

"NBC News: No evidence of Trump Russia conspiracy."

"Russiagate has been a joke since Robby Mook and Podesta literally came up with the Russia idea 24 hours after Hillary lost to Trump...

'The strategy had been set within 24 hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communcations team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up and up. For a couple of hours, with Shake Shack containers littering the room, they went over the script they would pitch to the press and the public. Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument..."

https://twitter.com/ExtremeBalance/status/1095434617773907968

Michael Moriarity wrote:

 

 I really don't care, politically or personally, whether the Russians did it or not. 

[quote=NDPP]

Pull the other one it's got bells on. But charmed to see you re-positioning yourself in the mushy middle nonetheless.

The pro corporate Democrat propaganda team and Russophobic conspiracy theorists are obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel and serving us the same warmed-over nothing burgers from yesteryear. The same texts were posted here already. Assange tells Stone to fuck off and stop bothering them. You know this already. But just keep posting CNN, WaPo and NYT since you and your 'progressive' pals here clearly share the same obvious and sinister msm agenda:

"The communications are the Wikileaks account telling Roger Stone to stop going around falsely claiming that he was in contact with Assange. They were provided to Congress and the public [posted here] over  a year ago. There can be little excuse for concealing the true content."

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1096597674307006464

The Real Motive Behind the FBI Plan to Investigate Trump As a Russian Agent

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1098017279562969090

"Great read by Gareth Porter on how National Security officials got us into the Russiagate mess..."

Cohen/Batchelor: How the Russiagate Investigation is Sovietizing American Politics (podcast)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51154.htm

"Collusion,' 'contacts', selective prosecutions, coup plotting, and media taboos recall repressive Soviet practices...'Something is happening in America that is very, very bad...' - Prof S Cohen

'We have met the enemy. And he is us." - Pogo

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/4hgWSrvXxzs

"Cohen kills collusion conspiracy theory."

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/eR42Brd05qg

"Corp journos backpedaling on Russiagate like cowards."

Cohen: The Long History of US-Russia 'Meddling'

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-long-history-of-us-russian-meddling/

"Even though the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee found 'no direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia,' Russiagate allegations of 'collusion' between candidate and then - President Donald Trump and the Kremlin have poisoned American politics for nearly threee years. They are likely to continue to do so for the foreseeable future..."

NDPP wrote:

Media's Russiagate Hysteria Falling Apart

https://youtu.be/w44SNEDnlWY

"A recent Robert Scheer interview that deconstructs the Russiagate narrative."

So we keep hearing and yet nothing conclusive really emerges except those shouting how they want things interpretted. I suspect there will be more infomration to judge in time to determine this one way or another. I am willing to wait for that.

Ya that’s because it really is falling apart. Now that the icm has other stuff to attack Trump with (737 max), they will drop Russia gate. The only thing that was keeping Russia gate alive for so long was constant icm attention and over rated hype. 

Why not wait for Mueller to reveal what is and what isn’t “MSM dogsvomit?”

Russiagate falls apart: yes

Russiagate goes away: not a chance.

Even a Vacuous Mueller Report Won’t End ‘Russiagate’   

Too many reputations and other interests are vested in the legend for it to vanish from American politics anytime soon.

By Stephen F. Cohen MARCH 14, 2019

Russiagate allegations that the Kremlin has a subversive hold over President Trump, and even put him in the White House, have poisoned American political life for almost three years. Among other afflictions, it has inspired an array of media malpractices, virtually criminalized anti–Cold War thinking about Russia, and distorted the priorities of the Democratic Party. And this leaves aside the woeful impact Russiagate has had in Moscow—on its policymakers’ perception of the US as a reliable partner on mutually vital strategic issues and on Russian democrats who once looked to the American political system as one to be emulated, a loss of “illusions” I previously reported.

Contrary to many expectations, even if the Mueller report, said to be impending, finds, as did a Senate committee recently, “no direct evidence of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia,” Russiagate allegations are unlikely to dissipate in the near future and certainly not before the 2020 presidential election. There are several reasons this is so, foremost among them the following:

....   If Mueller fails to report “collusion” of real political substance, these and other Russiagate zealots, as well as their supporters in the media, will need to reinterpret run-of-the-mill (and bipartisan) financial corruption and mundane “contacts with Russia” as somehow treasonous. (The financial-corruption convictions of Paul Manafort, Mueller’s single “big win” to date, did not charge “collusion” and had to do mainly with Ukraine, not Russia.) Having done so already, there is every reason to think Democrats will politicize these charges again, if only for the sake of their own careers....

https://www.thenation.com/article/even-a-vacuous-mueller-report-wont-end...

This latter point about "reinterpretation" of contacts and corruption as treasonous is already standard fare for Russiagate conspiricists there, and here.

LATEST

ANALYSIS

NEWS

US media suffers panic attack after Mueller fails to deliver on much-anticipated Trump indictment

Internet mogul Kim Dotcom said it all: “Mueller – The name that ended all mainstream media credibility.”

...Hopefully the media promoting the lies will be outed...including of course the CBC...here at least in Canada, we have rights to protect us from the lies...the CBC ad nauseum must be prosecuted!

iyraste1313 wrote:

LATEST

ANALYSIS

NEWS

US media suffers panic attack after Mueller fails to deliver on much-anticipated Trump indictment

Internet mogul Kim Dotcom said it all: “Mueller – The name that ended all mainstream media credibility.”

...Hopefully the media promoting the lies will be outed...including of course the CBC...here at least in Canada, we have rights to protect us from the lies...the CBC ad nauseum must be prosecuted!

LOL.  Most think a president can’t be indicted while in office.  So no surprise if Mueller didn’t recommend indictment.

Love these folks on the left and right prematurely spiking the ball.  Why don’t we wait until the report is released, if it is.

It is obvious on this board, that msm chimeras and agit-prop campaigns of Russophobia and China 'Yellow Peril' hysteria are accepted and advanced while pernicious and actually existing threats to democracy and good governance such as the deep penetration and political influence of the Israel lobby are met with averted eyes and nervous silence.

No, he’s right about the undue influence of the Israeli lobby.  He’s just wrong if he thinks I look the other way.

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/HjPgO57AzjQ

"Russiagate fizzles out as Mueller ends investigation."

Principal conclusions won’t be submitted to Congress today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattzap/status/1109506469580419073

How exactly have they’ve been proven 100% correct.  The report’s conclusions still have not been revealed.

It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD
The Iraq war faceplant damaged the reputation of the press. Russiagate just destroyed it
Mar 23  Matt Taibbi

....
As has long been rumored, the former FBI chief’s independent probe will result in multiple indictments and convictions, but no “presidency-wrecking” conspiracy charges, or anything that would meet the layman’s definition of “collusion” with Russia.

With the caveat that even this news might somehow turn out to be botched, the key detail in the many stories about the end of the Mueller investigation was best expressed by the New York Times:

A senior Justice Department official said that Mr. Mueller would not recommend new indictments.

The Times tried to soften the emotional blow for the millions of Americans trained in these years to place hopes for the overturn of the Trump presidency in Mueller. Nobody even pretended it was supposed to be a fact-finding mission, instead of an act of faith.

The Special Prosecutor literally became a religious figure during the last few years, with votive candles sold in his image and Saturday Night Live cast members singing “All I Want for Christmas is You” to him featuring the rhymey line: “Mueller please come through, because the only option is a coup.”....

The paper was signaling it understood there would now be questions about whether or not news outlets like themselves made a galactic error by betting heavily on a new, politicized approach, trying to be true to “history’s judgment” on top of the hard-enough job of just being true. Worse, in a brutal irony everyone should have seen coming, the press has now handed Trump the mother of campaign issues heading into 2020.

Nothing Trump is accused of from now on by the press will be believed by huge chunks of the population, a group that (perhaps thanks to this story) is now larger than his original base. As Baker notes, a full 50.3% of respondents in a poll conducted this month said they agree with Trump the Mueller probe is a “witch hunt.”

Stories have been coming out for some time now hinting Mueller’s final report might leave audiences “disappointed,” as if a President not being a foreign spy could somehow be bad news....

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

There is no justification for left skeptics of Russiagate to gloat despite the impulse to do so after years of being called Republicans,  Trumpists, Putinistas, useful idiots, etc, for not drinking the collusion KoolAid. Sadness is a better response because the big winner is Trump.  Agent Orange has a much better chance of toxifying another 4 years.

This is the same Trump whose ultra-Republican vile policies, nationally and internationally, have been largley ignored (or endorsed) by the bi-partisan Washington politi-corporate establisment and media as they gathered all to follow the scent or the "red" herring. 

With the "Resistence" and media focused for years on the self-generated narrative of  "treason and collusion", it gives creedence to Trump's claim of "fake news of the liberal media". 
(Never mind the fact that what he calls "liberal" media is as thourougly neo-liberal and imperialist as Trump's supporters and media, and that Trump himself can't make two statements without at least one of the being "fake".)

Other big winners are russiagater MSM which was just "doing its job", that is, making LOTS of money with extemely successful returning gaping masses of true believers. I disagree with Tabbi that this  "a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media". The Iraq/WMD narrative involved occassional brief acknowledgements of "mistakes" and no career killing outcomes.  It will be business as usual in the United States of Amnesia.

Additionally, there is no reason to believe the neo-McCarthyite media will let up on claiming real progressives within and without the Democratic party are in league with Russia,.

Mueller concludes that Russians hacked the Democrats, but that Trump campaign did not collude with them.  Also did not exonerate Trump on obstruction, but did not recommend indicting him on it.  Other, financial issues, have been turned over to New York and Washington area federal prosecutors.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/read-barrs-letter-to-congress-on-mueller-report

Good question.  Barr, a political appointee, was also involved in the Iran-Contra pardons in 1992.  Democrats plan on calling him, and Mueller, to testify, and to demand release of the full report.

josh wrote:

Good question.  Barr, a political appointee, was also involved in the Iran-Contra pardons in 1992.  Democrats plan on calling him, and Mueller, to testify, and to demand release of the full report.

It is very possible that there will be no evidence found. It would take a lot of carelessness to leave enough evidence for a conviction. Conspiracies are often difficult to prove becuase those involved know not to leave behind proof and rarely make enough mistakes to be caught.

It is likely that this will get spun for ever on both sides -- both sides will want to pretend that this is a conclusive report when it is possible that it cannot be for either side.

GOP expecting to spin this as a declaration of presidential innocence may be embarassed by language careful to make it clear that it is not that. Democrats will be equally disapointed that the answers to their prayers are not to be found here.

Here at babble, people who do not know the answer will shout their expertise and knowledge at each other until everyone gets so bored that the thread will die of a lack of interest.

In the meantime there will be more investigations, more screams of witchhunt and who knows if any will find anything but there will be people here pretending to know and predict until Trump is finally gone.

iyraste1313 wrote:

Possible, but there can be no doubt that the Liberal MSM have taken a serious hit over this...and given the total lack of interest by the US people (1%!), a serious loss of credibility on the so called left!

When the economic system, no longer bailable by the Central Bank, finally crashes into Depression, it will be right wing forces that will lead the movement, with any leftish movement, without any credibility...a serious dilemma for real leftists!

I disagree. I think that this has been the focus for a long time and while it has not proven conclusive, it will not be something that will change minds on either side -- it will therefore not do damage. With the report done, the focus can and should move to other things including any followups from it. If anything it will allow the left to move on to other things.

This report does not make the difference as to whether the left can lead or not. It hands nothing to either side so far. No need for fears or presumptions of victory.