If they get the indigenous vote out in Winnipeg Centre, Falcon-Ouellette has a very good chance of beating Martin.
NDP turfed Stefan Jonasson for criticizing misogynistic Ultra-Orthodox Jewish sect
Sat, 2015-10-03 01:16
#52
laine lowe
Sat, 2015-10-03 01:22
#53
And never mind that it used to be my old riding, if I was there I'd vote for him not just because he'd the best candidate, but because the Liberals are pretty obviously gunning for that one, and seemed to go to so much trouble to wind him up, as if it was that hard a job.
Pat Martin has very serious anger management issues which even when he's correct, doesn't reflect well on him. I mean, he managed to make [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJkOmatBS-I]Portage MP Candace Bergen look good by comparison.[/url] That is not an easy thing to do.
And you think Oullette is going to take it?
This area of the city is where he had the highest amount of support for his mayoral run. He actually won a few polls out here, and it was known for a long time that he would run here. As the incumbent MP, Martin was essentially tied with Ouelette in the sign war before Martin [url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/candidate-wants-apology-ndp-to-du... it at a downtown forum a couple of weeks ago.[/url] Since then, the number of signs for Ouelette has taken off. That's a bad sign for an incumbent, especially one who knew he'd be facing a popular politician challenging him.
Sat, 2015-10-03 17:52
#54
The Conservatives have a list of "enemies of Israel"
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/tories-extreme-stand-a...
It was all going well until Bateman piqued the ire of the crowd when she starting reading off a list of names from the Liberal campaign -- volunteers, paid staff workers and candidates alike -- who had been identified by the Tories as "enemies" of Israel.
As she got to Andrew Leslie -- the decorated retired lieutenant-general from the Canadian Armed Forces running for the Liberals in Ottawa-Orleans -- the crowd erupted with shouts of "shame." I, as the moderator, was forced at that point to step in to protect Bateman from the surging anger in the audience.
It is hard in retrospect to escape the feeling the "enemies of Israel" blacklist Bateman was reading had a McCarthyesque blush to it. The names were read quickly and without any information establishing the veracity of the charges against the individuals named. It was a truly creepy moment.
But to be fair, Bateman was only doing what she had been told to do. This was not an impetuous act; it was part of a carefully scripted strategy to use Israel as a wedge issue to capture majority support from Canadian Jews.
Sat, 2015-10-03 18:00
#55
Political correctness run amuck.
Sat, 2015-10-03 18:01
#56
Arthur Cramer
Martin is just one more manifestation of how the NDP is beating itself. They have run an incredibly stupid, stupid, stupid, campaign. I'm not surprised though. Whenever I've tried talking to the party big wigs, they treat me like I'm their crazy uncle. Jerks! Hey, that's it, I'm Rabble's crazy uncle. That's it!
Sat, 2015-10-03 19:22
#57
It is hard in retrospect to escape the feeling the "enemies of Israel" blacklist Bateman was reading had a McCarthyesque blush to it. The names were read quickly and without any information establishing the veracity of the charges against the individuals named. It was a truly creepy moment.
It wasn't a "moment" -- it's still creepy now.
Thu, 2015-10-15 09:28
#58
On his Facebook page, Stefan Jonasson posted a warm personal endorsement of Tom Paulley, the NDP candidate picked to run in the riding from which Jonasson was turfed:
Four years ago, I entrusted my vote to Tom Paulley and I would like to encourage my friends and neighbours in Charleswood – St. James – Assiniboia – Headingley to do the same in this election. I have come to know Tom as a good and decent man who stands for compassionate values and progressive public policies.
A retired correctional officer, Tom worked directly with inmates and he was a proven leader in the workplace. An active union member, Tom served on his local's executive as secretary-treasurer, managing finances while working hard to advance workplace safety and health.
Tom is an active member of Toastmasters International, the Manitoba Association of Retired Government Employees, and the New Democratic Party. As both a candidate and a backroom campaign worker, Tom has been long active in public life. He holds a BA in sociology from the University of Winnipeg and an MA in political science from the University of Manitoba.
Further down the page, he adds this comment:
I have acknowledged elsewhere that, for deeply personal reasons, I spoiled my own ballot this year by writing my name on it. For me, this was a matter of personal self-respect in the aftermath of the forced end to my candidacy. However, I remain committed to social democratic values and, while I lament the fact that it looks like my party will have missed an unprecedented opportunity to form a government based on those values, I still long to see a strong NDP presence in Parliament and a solid base on which to build for the future.
The Brad Lavignes and Anne McGraths of this world are the ones who must urgently be turfed - not persons of conscience and integrity like Stefan Jonasson.
Fri, 2015-12-18 22:01
#59
From Stefan Jonasson's Facebook page:
I will support the reelection of Greg Selinger and the NDP in April because Manitoba has been well governed over the past 16 years, the alternatives are far less desirable than the current government, and change for the sake of change is a fool's game. Our provincial economy is stable and sound, our social policy is progressive and compassionate, and our prospects for the future are brighter now that the provincial government has a reasonable and reliable federal partner to work with. In my home constituency, we have a hard-working, decent, and dedicated MLA in the person of Deanne Crothers, who has served us well. So my mind is already made up and, between now and April, I'll be working to win over my neighbours on behalf of the NDP.
These are the words of a person who was banned by a gang of traitors pandering to the wealthy and powerful - the McGraths and Lavignes and Mulcairs of this world - and their cowardly apologists. May their names live in infamy, and may many more like Rev. Jonasson come forward to uphold the principles that they have betrayed.
Sat, 2016-02-13 09:53
#60
montrealer58
Jonasson is showing a lot of class. Being from a religion, he probably should have been careful about criticising another in the spirit of ecumenical peace. If it had been someone else, it might have been written off as modern-day trollery. The mucky-mucks in the NDP probably decided he should have been held to a higher standard.
Sat, 2016-02-13 14:38
#61
Jonasson is showing a lot of class. Being from a religion, he probably should have been careful about criticising another in the spirit of ecumenical peace. If it had been someone else, it might have been written off as modern-day trollery. The mucky-mucks in the NDP probably decided he should have been held to a higher standard.
The Hebrew Bible contains a long line of criticism of one's own religion, especially when said religious practices enrich a tiny elite at the expense of the general public.
Sun, 2019-03-31 20:18
#62
Pat Martin is an unreconstructed slavish admirer of Israel, a residual member of the ultra-right-wing CPCAA, a supporter for Youth for Christ, and an all-round asshole. So you'll appreciate why I have trouble with the mere mention of his name. I do appreciate that in a contest of evils, he might actually be the least of them.ETA: Oh, sorry, my failing memory... Forgot to mention that this shithead has been pushing, for many years, a private members' bill to require MPs to swear allegiance to CANADA rather than to the Queen - which he knows would prevent BQ members from taking office. He really should be sent to his reward somewhere. I do feel very sorry that he is the best that your riding is able to spew out. Maybe consider taking a run at it yourself next time?
I decided instead to support a candidate who is a much better candidate than I could ever be:
Leah Gazan will represent the NDP in Winnipeg Centre in the fall's federal election.She beat out longtime Minto MLA Andrew Swan at a nomination meeting on Sunday.
Sun, 2019-03-31 21:38
#63
This is such great news, A24 - especially coming as it does during the General Strike centenary year. I have always placed great hopes in Winnipeg north of Portage Ave. Do us proud!
By the way, any news from Stefan Jonasson these days? What a loss that was for the NDP.
Sun, 2019-03-31 22:33
#64
The funny thing, unionist, is that a few speakers did touch on the fact that it is the 100th anniversary of the Winnipeg Genral Strike and that Winnipeg Centre played an important role in that struggle.
As for Stefan, sorry I can't tell you what he's up to these days. Just out of curiosity, have you heard of Leah previously?
Mon, 2019-04-01 08:21
#65
Some Haredi groups are extremely fond of throwing excrement at women - and little girls - whom they find "improperly" dressed. They also police women in some sectors of Brooklyn as well as in Israel. And all this was before Lev Tahor, which doesn't even feed children properly as well as denying them an education and other things. There is also a question of paedophilia, which as we know is a problem in many controlling religious groups... I think the children who were in Guatemala have been returned to Canada, but don't know where they are. The DPJ (Child protection) had found all of them temporary Orthodox,Yiddish-speaking families, but that led the sect to flee Québec, then flee Ontario for Guatemala. The village elders in the Indigenous community where they were staying there kicked them out because it was a tenet of their beliefs to co-operate with their neighbours.
They have faced serious scrutiny in Israel as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Tahor
Mon, 2019-04-01 08:56
#66
alan smithee
I think this is the same sect that was moaning and crying at City Hall that a local women's gym windows should be covered up. Fuck you. You live in Canada, we don't treat women like shit (on purpose anyway)
This is my problem with the federal NDP. They should have stood by him instead of bowing down to a religious sect. And people want to believe they are progressive?
The federal Liberals would be more liely to do so, the Conservatives would have literally tarred and feathered him.
Mon, 2019-04-01 10:49
#67
As for Stefan, sorry I can't tell you what he's up to these days. Just out of curiosity, have you heard of Leah previously?
I heard of her only at a distance - from Winnipeg friends (including Facebook types). There was a lot of excitement about the prospect of her winning the nomination. But I wasn't too aware of her prior accomplishments. Hope to hear lots more now!
Mon, 2019-04-01 11:08
#68
That sounds very interesting about Leah!
Well, to be fair, there are a lot of men who treat women like shit who aren't remotely religious.
It was at the YMCA on avenue du Parc, in Mile-End. There are several Hassidic groups there, as well as a longstanding Jewish presence, as well as Greeks, Portuguese, Francophones (from here and from France) and a sprinkling of hipsters, though hipsterism seems to have faded a bit. Don't think the Mile-End and Outremont Hassidim are Lev Tahor - the Lev Tahor sect deliberately lived in homogenous groups in rural areas to avoid scrutiny. While I disagree with religious schools (of any religion) that don't teach the approved curriculum (languages, science, math etc) I don't think most Hassidic parents mistreat their children in the manner found among that extremist sect. Still, I find it sad, as education - secular as well as religious - has long been a tenet of Jewish culture.
Mon, 2019-04-01 11:21
#69
Lagatta - this thread wasn't about Hassidic mistreatment of women - it's about the NDP mistreating anyone who stands up for Palestinian rights. In this case, Stefan Jonasson made the mistake of condemning abuse of women by an Israeli Haredi sect - so he had to go. It's about Israel. The NDP has an Israel problem.
Mon, 2019-04-01 12:19
#70
Oh, I utterly agree, moreover, some ultraorthodox groups are anti-Zionist, while the Lubavitch are hardcore Zionists...
Mon, 2019-04-01 12:21
#71
Oh, I utterly agree, moreover, some ultraorthodox groups are anti-Zionist, while the Lubavitch are hardcore Zionists...
Very true!
Mon, 2019-04-01 12:40
#72
The question is will the new NDP stand with the Palestinians or deny reality and cow their MP's into silence like they did to Libby. I keep hoping that somehow the party will stand for human rights and peace and that means opposing militarism and NATO's role in the world today. I've been hoping for that since Jack and his inner circle deliberately restricted the right of MP's to speak on issues. NDP conventions have passed plenty of resolutions on the issues and the leadership under Jack and Tom has been consistently more middle of the road than the membership.
Mon, 2019-04-01 13:24
#73
Pogo
I think the US has surprsingly changed the discourse. I also think that Singh is more of a risk taker and will not have as much problem with candidates that push the agenda. We will see.
Mon, 2019-04-01 13:35
#74
I'm somewhat encouraged that Singh has named Alexandre Boulerice as Québec deputy leader (or whatever the title is...). Alex has long taken more pro-Palestinian positions than the Leader's inner circles would tolerate. Example.
Mon, 2019-04-01 14:36
#75
Convention Provokes Rage Against NDP Machine
https://yvesengler.com/2018/03/01/convention-provokes-rage-against-ndp-m...
"...NDP House Leader Guy Carron mobilized an unprecedented number of current and former MPs including Murray Rankin, Randall Garrison, Craig Scott, Tracey Ramsey, Alexander Boulerice, Helen Laverdiere, Nathan Cullen and others, to vote against the debating the most widely endorsed foreign policy resolution at the convention (Niki Ashton was the only MP to support re-prioritizing the Palestine Resolution..."
NDP Will Be Judged By the Friends They Keep in Israel
https://yvesengler.com/2018/09/28/ndp-will-be-judged-by-the-friends-they...
"Who exactly is the NDP making friends with in Israel..."
Don't hold your breath. NDP=No Difference Party.
Mon, 2019-04-01 16:11
#76
Is this the guy you're looking for?This is such great news, A24 - especially coming as it does during the General Strike centenary year. I have always placed great hopes in Winnipeg north of Portage Ave. Do us proud!
By the way, any news from Stefan Jonasson these days? What a loss that was for the NDP.
https://www.facebook.com/smjonasson
Still seems to indicate he's in Winnipeg, and through that page he could be reached by Messenger.
Mon, 2019-04-01 23:21
#77
Leah used the word "socialist" to describe herself in her speech many times. I find it a strange twist that the current NDP is a passionate socialist where the last NDP MP from that area passionately argued for dumping socialism from the NDP.
Tue, 2019-04-02 08:36
#78
Is this the guy you're looking for?
https://www.facebook.com/smjonasson
Still seems to indicate he's in Winnipeg, and through that page he could be reached by Messenger.
That's him - and we're FB friends now! Just had to edit your link a tiny bit. Thanks, Ken.
Tue, 2019-04-02 08:38
#79
Leah used the word "socialist" to describe herself in her speech many times. I find it a strange twist that the current NDP is a passionate socialist where the last NDP MP from that area passionately argued for dumping socialism from the NDP.
Yup!
Though I'd rather they act socialist (especially when in power) than say "socialist".
Tue, 2019-04-02 14:40
#80
Leah used the word "socialist" to describe herself in her speech many times. I find it a strange twist that the current NDP is a passionate socialist where the last NDP MP from that area passionately argued for dumping socialism from the NDP.
Yup!
Though I'd rather they act socialist (especially when in power) than say "socialist".
Like Tony Blair, who added the words "democratic socialist" to the Labour Party's self-description for the first time in that party's history, while simultaneously stripping away all vestiges of socialism OR democracy from its program and internal practices.
Tue, 2019-04-02 15:07
#81
NDP Votes To Take 'Socialism' Out of Party Constitution
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-votes-to-take-socialism-out-of-part...
"Delegates voted 960 to 188 in 'favour of the change. The result was met with cheers of 'NDP!' 'NDP'!"
What was long obvious made official. NDP=No Difference Party.
Tue, 2019-04-02 15:14
#82
NDP Votes To Take 'Socialism' Out of Party Constitution
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-votes-to-take-socialism-out-of-part...
"Delegates voted 960 to 188 in 'favour of the change. The result was met with cheers of 'NDP!' 'NDP'!"
What was long obvious made official. NDP=No Difference Party.
There was nothing more symbolic of the NDP going into the last election than Mulcair stating that dropping socialism was a way to connect with new voters. To bad for the party that more of its activists didn't remember what age they were when they first got excited about the possibilities of a better tomorrow. They ran a campaign to win the middle class vote and left the dreams of a better future to be spun by the lying Liberals.
Wed, 2019-04-03 21:10
#83
Leah used the word "socialist" to describe herself in her speech many times. I find it a strange twist that the current NDP is a passionate socialist where the last NDP MP from that area passionately argued for dumping socialism from the NDP.
Yup!
Though I'd rather they act socialist (especially when in power) than say "socialist".
I've spoken to Leah and I can assure you that she has heard that message. And if Leah and Svend Robinson are elected as MPs in the face of an overall NDP meltdown, that messsage will have more clout within the NDP itself.
Wed, 2019-04-03 21:13
#84
Leah used the word "socialist" to describe herself in her speech many times. I find it a strange twist that the current NDP is a passionate socialist where the last NDP MP from that area passionately argued for dumping socialism from the NDP.
Yup!
Though I'd rather they act socialist (especially when in power) than say "socialist".
I've spoken to Leah and I can assure you that she has heard that message. And if Leah and Svend Robinson are elected as MPs in the face of an overall NDP meltdown, that messsage will have more clout within the NDP itself.
You've warmed my heart this evening. Fingers crossed! The struggle continues!
Sat, 2019-10-26 15:49
#85
Leah used the word "socialist" to describe herself in her speech many times. I find it a strange twist that the current NDP is a passionate socialist where the last NDP MP from that area passionately argued for dumping socialism from the NDP.
Yup!
Though I'd rather they act socialist (especially when in power) than say "socialist".
I've spoken to Leah and I can assure you that she has heard that message. And if Leah and Svend Robinson are elected as MPs in the face of an overall NDP meltdown, that messsage will have more clout within the NDP itself.
UPDATE: I'm thrilled at Leah Gazan's victory - congratulations A24 and all your neighbours! - and devastated at Svend's defeat. And I'm going to renew my quest to see how Stefan Jonasson is doing. Good people can be hard to find.