After this sordid Justin Trudeau affair tonite, it would convey absolutely the wrong message to reward the Liberals with another majority government. Let’s hope that just does not happen.
Trudeau Brownface
Thu, 2019-09-19 01:51
#52
Thu, 2019-09-19 01:54
#53
Thu, 2019-09-19 04:26
#54
Left Turn
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Thu, 2019-09-19 05:14
#55
Hopefully this does not lead to a Conservative government.
What difference does it make? You gotta be joking?
You are joking, right!
North Report= white person
Thu, 2019-09-19 05:23
#56
Just wait for the tears. I posted the groping allegation above because if those are students in the picture he has his hands on the girls bosom with his finger almost resting on her breast and the other around her waist. WTF
Yep! His pinky finger is just about on hear cleavage and his body is probably pressed right up against this woman. However, she's smiling. So it appears that she doesn't mind.
But there's something else to remember. I'm going to assume that the young women in the photo are his students? Is this the way a teacher is to act with students?
Lots to be analyzed in this picture!
Thu, 2019-09-19 05:25
#57
This will have little impact on the results.
josh=liberal hack white person
Thu, 2019-09-19 05:28
#58
This will have little impact on the results.
Yeah, it seems like someone is digging up dirt on Trudeau from way back.
How does dressing up as an Aladdin character once back in his college days mean Trudeau is a racist?
It's politically-incorrect and culturally insensitive in today's times, but some of the reactions above are way overblown.
And the NDP is not in a position to beat the Conservatives and most progressive voters know that.
Debater=liberal hack white person that is also incensitive to racism or cares less about racism
Thu, 2019-09-19 05:34
#59
So...does this end Justin, or does he just stay on and lead his party through the election as though nothing happened?
Yes it does.
He no longer has any ability to represent Canada. In particular, internationally.
He will still be accepted among mostly "white" nations such as France Belgium US Australia etc etc. But I suspect as this news circulates, even those nations will shy away from this racist.
Thu, 2019-09-19 05:38
#60
Trudeau is a drama teacher and a very good actor.
The best things that Canadians can do now is to support Jagmeet Singh and the NDP, a person of colour, to show that Canada is not a racist society led by a racist prime minister.
"Vote NDP or you're a racist". I don't think that slogan's going to work.
Ya you're right! How about "vote liberal if you're a progressive racist, progressive sexist, progressive homophobic etc etc"
bekayne= liberal hack white person
Thu, 2019-09-19 05:46
#61
I don't want Josh to be right but I think he is. The economy and climate change are the big issues. Even so people don't seem to understand that the NDP is the only party seriously addressing those issues.
Pondering= white person that doesn't think people affected by racism will pay any attention to Justin's blatant racism and will vote for Justin anyways
Thu, 2019-09-19 05:57
#62
So...does this end Justin, or does he just stay on and lead his party through the election as though nothing happened?
My prediction is that Justin stays on and wins another majority government. Ever since the coalition incident of 2008, a clear majority of Canadians have wanted a majority government, and I believe they will vote accordingly.
Left turn= progressive white person that thinks racism is a trivial matter to people of color.
Person of color voting- I'm not voting for a fucking racist!
White person voting- I'm voting for a majority government, I'm white so really I'm not affected by racism so why should I care? In fact, I give a fucking ratts ass about racism and deep down, I prefer a white male prime minister over a color pm like Jag.
Thu, 2019-09-19 06:06
#63
This will have little impact on the results.
Yeah, it seems like someone is digging up dirt on Trudeau from way back.
How does dressing up as an Aladdin character once back in his college days mean Trudeau is a racist?
It's politically-incorrect and culturally insensitive in today's times, but some of the reactions above are way overblown.
And the NDP is not in a position to beat the Conservatives and most progressive voters know that.
It seems that the only thing you are interested in is whether it will affect the Liberal vote and the election outcome.
Although I am Caucasian, my Filipino wife and our 25 and 18 year old sons are strongly offended by Trudeau's black and brown face actions, as I am. I recognize that not all people of colour will view this in the same light, but it does dredge up memories for my family that are far from pleasant, regardless of the extent to which it affects the election outcome.
By the way, your statement is factually incorrect on two counts. This did not happen "in his college days" as you allege but when he was a 29 high school teacher, a position in which you are expected to be a role model to children. It also raises the question of why he has his hand directly above the breast of one of the women.
It was also not a matter of dressing up "once" as you allege, because he also did in high school in black face, according to press reports that he also admitted to.
Good comment!
I usually don't highlight comments as being good here on babble, too many posters do this without merit!
What makes your comment good is that you're sharing some particularly random unique perspective that you have and using it to analyze the circumstances involved.
Thu, 2019-09-19 06:08
#64
I think Trudeau’s apology was strong and sounded sincere. Much better than how he mishandled SNC Lavelin. This will slow down the Liberal war room from playing “gotcha” on the Conservatives but ultimately I don’t think it will change many votes. Maybe bumped the Liberals down from a second majority to a minority, Jagmeet, to his credit, has struck a very good tone too and has probably now saved the NDP’s official Party status. But this election is still a two party contest and it’s not like a Scheer government would be *less* racist. I think Trudeau survives this.
robbie_dee= liberal hack white person
Thu, 2019-09-19 06:24
#65
Ultimately I give a ratts if Justin or Scheer is voted in as pm. democracy is an corporate imperialist invention.
To me, this incident says more about babblers than anything.
Have a new term.
liberal=faux progressive racist/sexist/homophobe.
And just to stir the pot a little more, Justin is a proven racist. As far as I'm aware Harper isn't! Insulting that people prefer a proven white male racist over another "alleged" white male racist!
Thu, 2019-09-19 07:00
#66
swallow
I wish that Maysie was still around here and that she could share with us her point of view
Maysie gave this place a huge gift in attempting to do anti-racist education work.
Yet a thread on a clearly racist incident is used to parse polling outcomes, not to confront and educate about racism.
Babble is a less safe space for people of colour than it once was. Why would Maysie, or anyone else involved in anti-racist education, stick around? She and other provided multiple resources. The board mostly ignored that work, and remains a place of expressed white privilege.
Maysie's point of view is evident on the threads that Unionist was good enough to bump. Anti-racist resources are abundant in the anti-racist forum. Let's do the work ourselves, for once.
Thu, 2019-09-19 07:25
#67
The outrage of continuing Indigenous genocide, support for Apartheid Israel, a Guaido regime in Venezuela or Nazis in Ukraine is easily as offensive as Trudeau's racist cosplay. But if it was Andrew Scheer or any other Canadian politician a resignation would be a certainty. Unfortunately the collateral damage could be a Tory victory.
Thu, 2019-09-19 07:47
#68
Thu, 2019-09-19 08:43
#69
I wish that Maysie was still around here and that she could share with us her point of view
Maysie gave this place a huge gift in attempting to do anti-racist education work.
Yet a thread on a clearly racist incident is used to parse polling outcomes, not to confront and educate about racism.
Well, in regards to people discussing the electoral aspects, there IS an election going on, babblers are interested in the outcome, and a big part of the Liberal strategy has been to make hay with the reactionary stances of other parties. So I think this is quite justifiably discussed from an electoral perspective.
All that said, if you do think these is something about the racism of blackface that is not being discussed here, you certainly have the option of starting a thread(maybe in the anti-racism forum) about what that is and what people need to know about it. Personally, I think everyone here seems to agree that blackface is wrong, so I'm not sure what sort of education would need to be put forth on that topic, but I'm certainly open to other viewpoints.
Thu, 2019-09-19 08:56
#70
And, by the way, if anyone thinks that Jagmeet Singh's backroom hacks AREN'T discussing this from an almost 100% electoral-strategy angle, that's pretty naive.
Thu, 2019-09-19 09:03
#71
Unbelievable
Video shows Trudeau in blackface in third instance of racist makeup
https://globalnews.ca/news/5922861/justin-trudeau-brownface-video/
Thu, 2019-09-19 09:10
#72
JWR “I was extremely disappointed No one in a position of authority should be going around dressed like that”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/jody-wilson-raybould-brownface-response-1.5289322
Thu, 2019-09-19 09:22
#73
Thu, 2019-09-19 09:24
#74
Thu, 2019-09-19 09:26
#75
Thu, 2019-09-19 09:29
#76
Brown face, blackface cause scandal for Trudeau
Thu, 2019-09-19 09:42
#77
Trudeau brownface mistake could cost him in BC swing ridings, expert says
Thu, 2019-09-19 09:59
#78
Let us also remember that this story comes to us courtesy of Time Magazine. Is there perhaps a preference in some circles of the American establishment for another Canadian leader? 'Election meddling' anyone?
Thu, 2019-09-19 10:16
#79
Nice try.
But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.
Thu, 2019-09-19 10:18
#80
Jagmeet Singh said he doesn't know if he will be able to shake Justin Trudeau hand from this point forward
https://twitter.com/HannahThibedeau/status/1174649775444123648?s=20
Thu, 2019-09-19 10:38
#81
[quote=josh]
Nice try.
But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.
[quote=NDPP]
Your question doesn't invalidate mine Yanqui. Time Magazine is a publication with a long history of such provocations and interventions in service to US ruling class interests. I would love to know more. As well as the answer to your own question as to why the hell nobody in the domestic media reported the story first.
Thu, 2019-09-19 10:38
#82
Nice try.
But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.
A Vancouver businessman, Michael Adamson, went to Time with the story. Does anyone from BC know anything about Adamson? I did a quick search and all I found is that he likely lives in Shaughnessy Heights.
Thu, 2019-09-19 10:45
#83
NDPP wrote:
Your question doesn't invalidate mine Yanqui.
Please explain what Josh's nationality has to do with the quality of his arguments.
Thu, 2019-09-19 10:51
#84
Nice try...
Thu, 2019-09-19 10:57
#85
Yes, it was. Because I think you and I know what your point regarding meddling was about.
Thu, 2019-09-19 10:59
#86
Nice try...
Okay, but why DID you reference Josh's nationality?
Thu, 2019-09-19 11:11
#87
Are you referring to the historic fail of Dem attempts to explain away crooked Hillary's loss or screwing of Bernie Sanders to the Kremlin's skillful use of their puppet Trump, and some chumps' gullibility in buying that nonsense? So, no possiblity of US meddling in Canadian politics. Gotcha.
Thu, 2019-09-19 11:13
#88
Nice try.
But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.
A Vancouver businessman, Michael Adamson, went to Time with the story. Does anyone from BC know anything about Adamson? I did a quick search and all I found is that he likely lives in Shaughnessy Heights.
He is a Conservative supporter who HATES the NDP and donated to Andrew Scheer leadership campaign.
Thu, 2019-09-19 11:20
#89
Nice try...
Okay, but why DID you reference Josh's nationality?
[quote=NDPP]
Seems relevant when one rejects the possibility of American political interference in Canadian politics.
Thu, 2019-09-19 11:21
#90
Are you referring to the historic fail of Dem attempts to explain away crooked Hillary's loss or screwing of Bernie Sanders to the Kremlin's skillful use of their puppet Trump, and some chumps' gullibility in buying that nonsense? So, no possiblity of US meddling in Canadian politics. Gotcha.
Never said it's no possibility. It has taken place in the past. By the U.S. government.
Yes, that what was I was talking about. And if it's Crooked Hillary, they'll have to come up with a new word to describe Trump's corruption.
Thu, 2019-09-19 11:29
#91
History suggests each succeeding US president is arguably worse than the one before. Canadian leaders are somewhat similar obviously as one would expect with a vassal state.
Thu, 2019-09-19 11:31
#92
Nice try...
Okay, but why DID you reference Josh's nationality?
Seems relevant when one rejects the possibility of American political interference in Canadian politics.
No, because there are Americans who criticize their own country's interference in the affairs of other places; in fact, you cite many of them yourself, in your posts.
And there are Canadians who defend American interference in other countries. So citing anyone's nationality doesn't really prove anything about their intentions one way or another.
Your line of attack is basically like going onto the Quebec forum and saying "You guys just support asymmetrical federalism 'cuz you're a bunch of Quebeckers!!" As if that's the only reason people could support that concept.
As for the issue itself, it's certainly possible that Time would have an agenda in regards to Canadian politics. However, the American media does have a history of reporting on blackface issues in relation to their own politicians and celebrities, and Justin Trudeau is a relatively well-known guy in the USA, so it seems equally plausible that they just ran for it for the same reason that they ran similar stories about, eg. Senator Norment.
Thu, 2019-09-19 11:40
#93
Nice try.
But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.
A Vancouver businessman, Michael Adamson, went to Time with the story. Does anyone from BC know anything about Adamson? I did a quick search and all I found is that he likely lives in Shaughnessy Heights.
He is a Conservative supporter who HATES the NDP and donated to Andrew Scheer leadership campaign.
The photo (and those that followed) speaks for itself and is deplorable. Why on Earth does it matter who the source was?
Thu, 2019-09-19 11:53
#94
Nice try.
But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.
A Vancouver businessman, Michael Adamson, went to Time with the story. Does anyone from BC know anything about Adamson? I did a quick search and all I found is that he likely lives in Shaughnessy Heights.
He is a Conservative supporter who HATES the NDP and donated to Andrew Scheer leadership campaign.
The photo (and those that followed) speaks for itself and is deplorable. Why on Earth does it matter who the source was?
The motivations of the source are relevant for historians of the 2019 election campaign, as they speak to the agenda of a pivotal player. Not so relevant for determining what the rest of us should think about Trudeau's foray into cultural drag.
That said, I do fear that the net effect might be more helpful to the Cons than to the NDP. Because the Conservatives can neutralize the Liberals' attack on social issues by saying "See, Trudeau is worse than we are!". And most Liberal supporters, rather than going over to the NDP will just say "Hey, it was a different time and place, different standards etc".
But I'm open to being wrong. When I first saw this story a couple of hours back, I figured it would be of minimal impact, but then the video was released, and now the campaign is on hold, so who know's where this is heading.
Thu, 2019-09-19 12:07
#95
Misfit
Ok. Something that really disturbs me about Justin’s apology and all his other scandal apologies like “butt gate” from before.
Justin gives an apology and then reverts his pronouns to ‘we’ as though it is a common societal problem. Then he quickly preaches to people about how society needs to change and learn from this.
His apologies never come off as sincere nor that he has really learned from what happened because he doesn’t really take true ownership of what he has done. Society has failed people, not Justin, and Justin is a part of society and is really just a victim in all of this.
He doesn’t own his mistakes. He displaces them onto others.
Thu, 2019-09-19 12:11
#96
Ok. Something that really disturbs me about Justin’s apology and all his other scandal apologies like “butt gate” from before.
Justin gives an apology and then reverts his pronouns to ‘we’ as though it is a common societal problem. Then he quickly preaches to people about how society needs to change and learn from this.
His apologies never come off as sincere nor that he has really learned from what happened because he doesn’t really take true ownership of what he has done. Society has failed people, not Justin, and Justin is a part of society and is really just a victim in all of this.
He doesn’t own his mistakes. He displaces them onto others.
Unfortunately, the "mistakes were made" rather than "I made a mistake" and "sorry if anyone was offended" rather than "I'm sorry for my bad behaviour" type of non-apology is quite common among politicians today.
Thu, 2019-09-19 12:19
#97
radiorahim
Liberal Party partisans might try to spin this as "different time, different place, different standard", but that would be bullshit.
As I mentioned upthread, I witnessed a rather redneckish working class person freak out at a similar incident that took place a at a roadside restaurant in Northern Ontario a year before the incident JT was involved in.
Will the Tories try to exploit Liberal hypocrisy? Of course they will. But the way out is to support Jagmeet Singh and the NDP.
Thu, 2019-09-19 12:33
#98
And just to stir the pot a little more, Justin is a proven racist. As far as I'm aware Harper isn't! Insulting that people prefer a proven white male racist over another "alleged" white male racist!
Three questions for you. Do you remember the "barbaric cultural pracites" snitch line? Was that racist? Does it matter if a politician who enacts racist policies is personally a racist?
Thu, 2019-09-19 12:35
#99
Nice try.
But it raises the question of why the Canadian media didn't break it.
A Vancouver businessman, Michael Adamson, went to Time with the story. Does anyone from BC know anything about Adamson? I did a quick search and all I found is that he likely lives in Shaughnessy Heights.
He is a Conservative supporter who HATES the NDP and donated to Andrew Scheer leadership campaign.
There is a Michael Adamson from Vancouver who writes letters to the editor bashing the NDP government. The donator Michael Adamson is appaently from Toronto.
Thu, 2019-09-19 12:36
#100
Jagmeet Singh said he doesn't know if he will be able to shake Justin Trudeau hand from this point forward
https://twitter.com/HannahThibedeau/status/1174649775444123648?s=20
But he'd support him in a minority situation?
Thu, 2019-09-19 12:39
#101
Justin gives an apology and then reverts his pronouns to ‘we’ as though it is a common societal problem.
Racism isn't?