Still thinking of voting liberal? You're probably a racist

What we need is woke white males to come tell us what racisim is and let us know who the racists are. 

OK...I'll bite. My white privelege of my white ass has blinded me from racism. I am SO racist that I won't watch hockey because the pucks are black. I have always believed thazt burning crosses were great for roasting marshmallow. 

In the REAL words of Donald Trump, 'I am the MOST racist person you will ever meet' 

Thank you dipshit, I feel a heavy load off my shoulders.

Look at all the racists!

https://montrealgazette.com/news/trudeaus-record-on-race-shouldnt-be-overlooked-community-groups-say

The Black Coalition of Quebec also invited Trudeau to put the scandal behind him on Thursday, describing it as a “tempest in a teapot.”

 

Fo Niemi, the executive director of the Center for Research-Action on Race Relations, ......

But Niemi also hopes the scandal won’t continue to be the focus of the federal election campaign. Defending Trudeau’s record while in power, he pointed out several actions the Liberal government has taken to fight racism and discrimination in the country.

And some more racists!

https://montrealgazette.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/residents-in-trudeaus-montreal-riding-unfazed-by-blackface-scandal/wcm/695a6483-9581-4de4-926b-095d1caf0b53

n working-class Parc Extension, where a majority of residents are immigrants who have neither English nor French as their mother tongue, residents conversed in Urdu, Arabic and Hindu as they watched their children play in a small park or ducked in and out of a number of small stores boasting goods from all over the world.

When questioned, many said they didn’t believe Trudeau had meant to offend.

Sani Piameng, the owner of an African butcher shop and grocery store, said Trudeau has often visited his store and even watched soccer games with him and his customers.

“The man is not racist,” said Piameng, who is black. “He’s open to everybody.”

His wife, Juliana Owusu, said she didn’t feel “at all” offended by Trudeau’s actions, which she compared to dressing up for Halloween or a play.

“If I’m a black person, and I want to dress like Cinderella, is that racist?” she asked.

Piameng and Owusu said there are six people in their household, and all of them would vote for Trudeau.

And there are even more if you read the whole article. It seems there are many PoC who do not agree with you. 

WWT

Um no.

I know I am going to regret commenting in this absurd thread but.....

The deterioration happened because we decided to support a request from the US to arrest Meng and quite frankly in the real world do you seriously think for a second we are not going do as requested by the USA  

And contrary to all of your many China can do no wrong musings, China can be obnoxious creeps in business negotiations. HD Mining in Tumbler Ridge anyone!

Yes China has made many significant strides in improving the lives of many their citizens but your over the top raw raw China nonsense is nauseating to say the least.

Give it a rest! 

I could understand if your were commenting on the likes of Andrew Scheer but your comments about Justin Trudeau being a racist etc are beyond the pale and it is obvious you are suffering from low comprehension abilities.

WWWTT wrote:

G20 summit, Justin sits beside Xi Jin Ping, barely looks over to him. You would think Justin knows a few words of Mandarin dialect considereng the fact that the third most common language in Canada is Mandarin. No? 你好？你干什么？

What Justin did was a clear display of racism. The entire deteriation of Canada/China relations is probably due to his racism.

Very well said Left Turn

His wife, Juliana Owusu, said she didn’t feel “at all” offended by Trudeau’s actions, which she compared to dressing up for Halloween or a play.

“If I’m a black person, and I want to dress like Cinderella, is that racist?” she asked.

Well, okay, but that kind of tosses out the type of anti-racist analysis that critical-race theorists have been trying to impart, not least on this very forum. Because the woman is essentally saying that there is no difference between a white guy dressing as Aladdin, and a black woman dressing as Cinderella. IOW, there are no power imbalances in society that would make the former more problematic than the latter.

Which is the basic liberal "common sense" argument, devoid of any larger analysis of class and caste. Not that that's neccessarily incorrect, but it ulitmatety ends up validating stuff like "What's the big deal about Robert Downey jr, doing blackface in Tropic Thunder? Eddie Murphy did Mr. Rogers on Saturday Night Live!"

Pondering wrote:

I'm a pragmatist. What matters to me is policy. I am fortunate to be in a riding in which I can vote NDP without fear of a Conservative getting in but if need be I would hold my nose and vote, I can barely say it, the L word.

See if we're being honest here I find that mindset absolutely mind boggling. After everything Trudeau (writ large Liberals) has done in the last 4 years you would still vote for them just to keep the conservatives out. Going back to my post show me where Scheer has did anything remotely close to what Trudeau is guilty of. You can't because he hasn't. I truely wonder what Trudeau would have to do to shake his loyal fans. He's grouped women and said she remembers the events differently after he stated, to Canada and the world, victims must be believed. Laughed about a $2000 (or whatever) donation that women fromt he reserve made.  Wore black face and if I'm not mistaken there's a video of him making money faces or sounds to go along with it. Kept the arms deal with one of th emost evil and human abusing regiemes out there. Intimidated and harassed a subordinate then fired her when she wouldn't do what he told her (which has been found to be an ethical violation).  And so on.

But watch out for Scheer , he's "scarry".

I think people who will vote Liberal after their behavior for the last 4 years are legitimately scarry (and I've met some bad people) because I'm left wondering what, if anything, would actually cause them not to vote for Liberals (and thus enabling their behavior). Probably nothing.

WWWTT wrote:

@ allan smithee

You've got a lot of anger brother. I recognize the racist in me. Maybe that helps? 

You seem to have a redundancy problem. You're predictable and boring. 

Paladin1 wrote:

Pondering wrote:

I'm a pragmatist. What matters to me is policy. I am fortunate to be in a riding in which I can vote NDP without fear of a Conservative getting in but if need be I would hold my nose and vote, I can barely say it, the L word.

See if we're being honest here I find that mindset absolutely mind boggling. After everything Trudeau (writ large Liberals) has done in the last 4 years you would still vote for them just to keep the conservatives out. Going back to my post show me where Scheer has did anything remotely close to what Trudeau is guilty of. You can't because he hasn't. I truely wonder what Trudeau would have to do to shake his loyal fans. He's grouped women and said she remembers the events differently after he stated, to Canada and the world, victims must be believed. Laughed about a $2000 (or whatever) donation that women fromt he reserve made.  Wore black face and if I'm not mistaken there's a video of him making money faces or sounds to go along with it. Kept the arms deal with one of th emost evil and human abusing regiemes out there. Intimidated and harassed a subordinate then fired her when she wouldn't do what he told her (which has been found to be an ethical violation).  And so on.

But watch out for Scheer , he's "scarry".

I think people who will vote Liberal after their behavior for the last 4 years are legitimately scarry (and I've met some bad people) because I'm left wondering what, if anything, would actually cause them not to vote for Liberals (and thus enabling their behavior). Probably nothing.

 

Scheer would entertain Quebec's demand to process federal taxes in Quebec and he wants to push a pipeline through Quebec which would fail while causing enormous anger on all sides.  Trudeau has not done enough for indigenous people but Scheer would do less. The Liberal pharmacare plan is lacking but the Conservatives would be worse. 

I think this will be a blip. Blue Liberals/ Red conservatives that would just as soon have a Conservative government have slid over thinking this will have weakened Trudeau sufficiently to tank his second term. Some PoCs, it seems most, have seen the danger and are coming out in defence of or forgiveness for Trudeau. 

We are a month away from election day. It will be decided in the last two weeks by non-partisans, people like me. Most of us are deciding between two of the three parties. Our decisions are based on no more than three or less issues. 

1) The economy. Who can be trusted not to destroy it while maintaining government services, health care. Management.

If more than one qualifies, usually the Conservatives and Liberals...

2) who will act on climate change and other progressive issues

3) personal priority issue, for example prostitution, drug legalization, foreign affairs, health care, etc. 

Trudeau wearing blackface or being smarmy with women doesn't justify a PM who would undermine the rights of women and minorities and social services in general. 

Ken the last thing that the people in Canada need is the US either or evil choices. We have another choice and it is not Trudeau. His government is the party in power and they have been in breach of a Canadian Human Rights Decisions ordering them to fix First Nations discrimination that has been proven in a hearing and they have ignored it for over a year and have been repeatedly cited by the CHRC for failing to abide by its rulings. I don't have to imagine what a Conservative government would be like because we need to defeat the current government not hang onto them because we fear a bogeyman.

Enough of the you have to vote for the lesser of evils that is an evil in itself.

Thanks Ken for reminding me of the late Canadian senator Len Marchand. I well remember as others apparently do not his particular pressure upon politicians and police in the summer of 1995 to 'invade' Gustafsen Lake and crush the Indigenous resistance to Marchand, Mercredi, John and the rest of the governments' compradors so lovingly, lavishly funded for services rendered to the settler-state.

Took me a while to find this thread again.

Aristotleded24 wrote:

For starters, his party has no real plan to deal with climate change. His party has made an issue of balancing the budget, which is essentially politician-speak for cutting services that people depend on. His candidates have used racist dogwhistles regarding irregular immigration to try and make people scared of immigrants and refugees without proposing any realistic solutions. His party has also called for ramming the pipeline through BC, even though that's a blatant violation of provincial jurisdiction to at least have an opinion of what goes through their province. One wonders if the Conservatives are prepared to call in the military to shoot at peaceful protesters to get this pipeline built.

Not to respond with a "ya but what about" but I haven't seen any sort of realistic plan from the Liberals on the climate change front. Besides a cabon tax. Which people get back anyways? I'm no expert but it seems like halting the cutting of trees for lumber in Canada would do more to combat carbon on earth than taxing me and you. Candidates and racisim? Trudeau paraded around in blackface on so many occasions he can't even remember. If a conservative politician got caught doing that Trudeau would be curled up in a ball crying about how hurt he was to see such an evil and racist thing - then call for a national day of mourning.

Pipelines - Trans Mountain project approved by Liberals. I wouldn't be worried about conservatives calling in the army. After SNC we know that Trudeau doesn't like to be told no and isn't afraid of bending or breaking rules to get what he wants - or send others to put pressure on people to keep his hands clean.

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That's what I can think of off the top of my head. Not that the Liberals are good on any of these fronts, but there is good reason to fear what the Conservatives would do.

Fair enough my friend. I agree. But I still think the scary conservatives is big time hyperbole.

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I'm scared that with everything Harper did and his blatantly racist campaign that 30% of the electorate still voted for him. My own province just saw fit to re-elect a Premier who has gutted health services throughout the province, done nothing about the meth crisis that has gripped Winnipeg, and presided over increases in the number of murders that happened in Winnipeg. You're right, it is scary that people will blindy defend their party no matter what sins the party commits. That's not limited to the Liberals. The Conservatives have plenty of those types as well.

Do you have any suggestions how to deal with the meth crisis in Winnipeg? Or 11 dead per day OD crisis in BC?

It seems like a complex issue.

And no one likes services being cut but honestly there comes a point when governments run out of money and can't keep borrowing it. Shitty decisions have to be made to balance the budget. I don't like it anymore than anyone else but that's what happens when the government spends money willy nilly. We're pretty good at giving money away and bragging about it on Twitter.

WWWTT wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

@ allan smithee

You've got a lot of anger brother. I recognize the racist in me. Maybe that helps? 

You seem to have a redundancy problem. You're predictable and boring. 

Just admit it, you won't for Jag because you're a racist!

I would never recoment voting liberal because if Justin, a proven self admited racist becomes pm, the optics will be horrifc.

And when the Conservatiuves win you're going to bitch and moan about their policies. You want to talk racism? Take a good look at the Cons and especially Scheer who has appeared on Faith Goldy's show so yeah, I don't want a racist pm who is going to suck off Donald Trump and get Canada inolved with all the wars they have up their sleeves at the beheast of Israel and now Saudi Arabia.

Or all the pipelines that will be built across Canada and even in the Arctic.

Or them taking a chainsaw to our social safety net.

Not to mention all the terrrible super right wing  policies they will make into law. Oh you wait. This is still Stephen Harper's party .

And you think the Liberals are bad? 

You're in for a big surprise, Buckwheat.

Pondering wrote:

. I see him as somewhat clueless and obviously theatrical. He acts as chairman of the board not CEO as PM. Unelected people are running the government. It is a sad state of affairs that we have so little to choose from on the national stage.  Whatever his flaws Singh is certainly the most intellectually qualified to be PM out of the lot. 

 

Last election you were fawning all over Trudeau...  After this election?....Gush for the Con leader? It seems to be the pattern.

Unelected people are running our government? What the fuck does that mean? What are you talking about?