Finally the Process to Impeach President Donald Trump begins

Whistleblower complaint:

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf

Anyone who still supports this orangutan is a huge piece of shit. How can anyone like this nauseating blowhard?

An F list celebrity, failed businessman and serial sexual harrasser. How can anyone stomach this prick?

The memo (it's not actually the report) is damning as is. He's a criminal.

Thankfully he'll be a sickening memory after 2020 unless he resigns first.

I don't support impeaching Trump. Instead, I support defeating him in the 202o Presidential election. Impeaching Trump before the 2020 election would make Mike Pence the President, and Pence would be much more likely to win the 2020 Presidential election.

Pence would also be far more likely to do things like attack Iran.

NDPP wrote:

Not really. It just seems like that to those who think Dems are good. Whereas I know both of these 'right wings' of the American eagle, as Chomsky describes the duopoly are bad to the bone. As are the corporate new sources you seem so fond of. I also know a little something about Ukraine and Biden from the time you and other 'progressive' gullibles here were cheering on the US coup/ regime change there aka 'The Revolution of Dignity.'

You and your ilk appear never to learn anything from your long  sorry 'progressive' progression from one fiasco to another, be it Ukraine, Assange, Syria, Brexit, Russiagate, Huawei and now 'Ukrainegate.'

You follow along behind the msm circus like the clown that follows the elephants with your shovel and broom, eagerly picking up each and every bit of shit as if it was true gold. It isn't. It's shit. And no matter how many times these media are proven liars, you their chump continue your fondness for their shit and lies, even after it's been proven to be so. Pathetic.

Well said.

Left Turn wrote:

I don't support impeaching Trump. Instead, I support defeating him in the 202o Presidential election. Impeaching Trump before the 2020 election would make Mike Pence the President, and Pence would be much more likely to win the 2020 Presidential election.

Pence would also be far more likely to do things like attack Iran.

I agree. And, paradoxically, while Trump is better than Pence as far as policy goes(ie. less likely to engage in military adventurism), he's also better for the Democrats because their supporters perceive him as being generally worse, IOW he rallies their base to the polls to get rid of him.

If Trump gets removed from office, I worry a lot of Democrats will become less enagaged, on the assumption that Pence isn't so bad, even though Pence would actually be worse.

Left Turn wrote:

I don't support impeaching Trump. Instead, I support defeating him in the 202o Presidential election. Impeaching Trump before the 2020 election would make Mike Pence the President, and Pence would be much more likely to win the 2020 Presidential election.

Pence would also be far more likely to do things like attack Iran.

Chris Hedges: The Problem With Impeachment:

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Mr. Fish / Truthdig

Impeaching Donald Trump would do nothing to halt the deep decay that has beset the American republic. It would not magically restore democratic institutions. It would not return us to the rule of law. It would not curb the predatory appetites of the big banks, the war industry and corporations. It would not get corporate money out of politics or end our system of legalized bribery. It would not halt the wholesale surveillance and monitoring of the public by the security services. It would not end the reigns of terror practiced by paramilitary police in impoverished neighborhoods or the mass incarceration of 2.3 million citizens. It would not impede ICE from hunting down the undocumented and ripping children from their arms to pen them in cages. It would not halt the extraction of fossil fuels and the looming ecocide. It would not give us a press freed from the corporate mandate to turn news into burlesque for profit. It would not end our endless and futile wars. It would not ameliorate the hatred between the nation’s warring tribes—indeed would only exacerbate these hatreds.

Impeachment is about cosmetics. It is about replacing the public face of empire with a political mandarin such as Joe Biden, himself steeped in corruption and obsequious service to the rich and corporate power, who will carry out the same suicidal policies with appropriate regal decorum. The ruling elites have had enough of Trump’s vulgarity, stupidity and staggering ineptitude. They turned on him not over an egregious impeachable offense—there have been numerous impeachable offenses including the use of the presidency for personal enrichment, inciting violence and racism, passing on classified intelligence to foreign officials, obstruction of justice and a pathological inability to tell the truth—but because he made the fatal mistake of trying to take down a fellow member of the ruling elite.

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Economic, social and political stagnation, coupled with a belief that our expectations for our lives and the lives of our children have been thwarted, breeds violence. Trump, fighting for his political life, will use rhetorical gasoline to set it alight. He will demonize his opponents as the embodiment of evil. He will seek to widen the divisions and antagonisms, especially around race. He will brand his political opponents as irredeemable enemies and traitors. He will demand omnipotence, the power of a dictator. Many of those for whom he is a cult leader will seek to give it to him. For when the magical aura of Trump’s power is attacked, those in the Trump cult feel attacked. He is an extension of them. Trump embodies the yearning by millions of Americans, especially those in the Christian right, for a cult leader.

The efforts by the Democratic Party and much of the press, including CNN and The New York Times, to remove Trump from office, as if our problems are embodied in him, will backfire. Our social, cultural, economic and political crisis created a demagogue like Trump. These forces will grow more virulent if Trump is impeached. The longer we fail to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for the misery of over half the U.S. population and our broken democracy, the more the disease of cultism will spread. It was the seizure of power by corporations that vomited up Trump. And it will be only by freeing ourselves from corporate rule, by rebuilding our democratic institutions, including the legislative bodies, the courts and the media, that we can roll back from the abyss.

The Progressive Case Against Impeachment:

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ut make no mistake, the populist wave that brought Trump to power is strong. It’s the reason he easily could be reelected. And it is toward these underlying forces and grievances that we must focus our attention.

Right-wing populism is on the rise globally because it provides an easy answer to the real,  justifiable anger about the neo-liberal world order. To put it simply, the right-wing answer is racism — “nationalism,” if you want to put the in vogue spin on it. Right-wing populists say, “Your life is terrible because of immigrants — the Central American or Muslim or African who is taking your job, ruining your community.” The nice thing for right-wing populists is that it’s easy to deliver on the promise of racism. As we’ve seen recently, hate crimes are up. Once off-limits ideas are mainstream. The white, working class has gotten a psychological dopamine hit from once again freely asserting their superiority over their black and brown brothers and sisters.

The only way to combat such ideology is with left-wing populism that addresses the real grievances without nativism and racism. This won’t be easy. With left-wing populism, it’s more difficult to deliver results because it requires delivering material benefits and not just psychological ones. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the best model we have for what successful left-wing populism might look like — and obviously his agenda would be really hard to enact.

How Impeachment Would Unfold: Kyle Kulinski

This is just one more episode in the USA Reality TV series that people will deny being addicted to watching.

On The Motives Behind Whistleblowergate

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/on-the-motives-behind-whistleblowe...

"The recent impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump is the second attempt by the CIA and the Democratic establishment to sabotage Trump's presidency..."

The Untold Story of the Trump-Ukraine 'Scandal': The Routine Corruption of US Foreign Policy

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/26/what-isnt-mentioned-about-the-trum...

"The impeachment offensive against Donald Trump is another symptom of a partisan disease that ignores an even greater malignancy, writes Joe Lauria. 'That's the biggest crime in this story that isn't being told. The illegal overthrow of a sovereign government..."

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