So...why hasn't THIS been done yet?

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Ken Burch
So...why hasn't THIS been done yet?

Why hasn't a law been passed allowing political parties to replace candidates who've been removed from the race after the candidate deadline, in cases where the reason the candidate was replaced was that the candidate was found to have said or done something offensive?

Alternately, why not have a provision that, if a candidate were removed after the deadline, the situation would be treated the same as if a candidate had died-that there would be a by-election after the regular election, in which the withdrawn candidate would be replaced by another and all candidates who were on the general election ballot could either fight on as their party's nominees or 

If either of those things were put into effect, it would make it much easier to get parties to remove such candidates, given that doing so wouldn't mean they simply ended up having no candidate at all in the riding.

bekayne

I'm pretty sure printing ballots has something to do with it (advance polls start 11 days after nominations closed.)

bekayne

Ken Burch wrote:

Alternately, why not have a provision that, if a candidate were removed after the deadline, the situation would be treated the same as if a candidate had died-that there would be a by-election after the regular election, in which the withdrawn candidate would be replaced by another and all candidates who were on the general election ballot could either fight on as their party's nominees or 

I can see how this might be open to abuse: minor party candidate (or independant) "takes a dive" so people can see the national election results before they vote locally.

Ken Burch

As to ballots...would it really be that difficult to re-print ballots in a handful of ridings, or perhaps just one or two?  

kropotkin1951

Sorry I disagree. If your party tries to run the wrong person then you pay the price. Riding associations are responsible for their actions and it is at that level that we are supposed to be getting candidates.

Ken Burch

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Sorry I disagree. If your party tries to run the wrong person then you pay the price. Riding associations are responsible for their actions and it is at that level that we are supposed to be getting candidates.

What about situations like the 2015 election, where the NDP bureaucracy removed a dozen candidates, not because those candidates did or said anything wrong, but because the party leader of the time didn't like it that they committed truth about the Israel/Palestine conflict or, in one case, apparently because the candidate was simply too much of a young, charismatic idealist to suit the NDP leader of the day, who imposed a dreary, previously-failed candidate in the riding instead of the young idealist?
 

 

kropotkin1951

So if your scenario is in place who gets to pick the replacement and using what process keeping in mind the very real time constraints.

Then there is the problem of printing more than one set of ballots for a riding. It is one thing to think of reprinting ballots if you lose one of the candidates for a major party but in Canada we have so many registered parties fighting in various ridings that it could lead to chaos or slackening of security processes to get the ballots printed on time. But I guess when the Rhino candidate has to back out and they want to run a replacement it seems like a minor expense.

Aristotleded24

Ken Burch wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Sorry I disagree. If your party tries to run the wrong person then you pay the price. Riding associations are responsible for their actions and it is at that level that we are supposed to be getting candidates.

What about situations like the 2015 election, where the NDP bureaucracy removed a dozen candidates, not because those candidates did or said anything wrong, but because the party leader of the time didn't like it that they committed truth about the Israel/Palestine conflict or, in one case, apparently because the candidate was simply too much of a young, charismatic idealist to suit the NDP leader of the day, who imposed a dreary, previously-failed candidate in the riding instead of the young idealist?

Then it's up to those riding associations to take back control of their party.

brookmere

You cannot allow a party or candidate to postpone the election in a constituency at their discretion. The potential for abuse is huge and I can guarantee it would be abused.

Saturday, October 5 appears to be the earliest day for advanced voting. You simply cannot have a paper ballot system (and I don't support anything else) with a smaller window between the close of nominations and voting.

Ken Burch

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Sorry I disagree. If your party tries to run the wrong person then you pay the price. Riding associations are responsible for their actions and it is at that level that we are supposed to be getting candidates.

What about situations like the 2015 election, where the NDP bureaucracy removed a dozen candidates, not because those candidates did or said anything wrong, but because the party leader of the time didn't like it that they committed truth about the Israel/Palestine conflict or, in one case, apparently because the candidate was simply too much of a young, charismatic idealist to suit the NDP leader of the day, who imposed a dreary, previously-failed candidate in the riding instead of the young idealist?

Then it's up to those riding associations to take back control of their party.

Agreed.  But keeping things as they are on candidate replacement law won't assist that cause.

Aristotleded24

The thing is Ken, as krop said above, if a party chooses the wrong candidate, then that party should experience the consequences. By allowing another election to take place, that protects the party. To use an analogy, if you are stopped for speeding, is the poilce officer going to give you a second chance to drive that stretch of road or simply write you a ticket? Likewise, if the central office for any party keeps pulling this kind of stunt on local riding associations, eventually the local riding associations will stand up and push back.

There is another problematic aspect to this idea. Campaigns take many resources, which is even more taxing if you delay the election. Now you have to rent a building longer, you have expenses for paying more staff, and you are also taking a toll on local volunteers who also have other non-political things to do in their lives. This can also contribute to election fatigue in the local area. If this happens across more than one constituency, this can cause problems with smooth functioning at the legislature, as the elected members would come in waves, there's oreintation, etc. If the general election fails to produce a clear majority and there are empty seats, that also has implications for the stability of the government, its effectiveness, and creates unpredicatabiilty because people don't know if the government we just "elected" will survive until next month.

Delaying elections should only be done in extreme circumstances, such as the death of a candidate. Any consequences borne by candidate selection issues for a particular party should be borne by that party alone. There's no need to punish every other campaign that was prepared enough to have its act together.

Aristotleded24

bekayne wrote:
Ken Burch wrote:

Alternately, why not have a provision that, if a candidate were removed after the deadline, the situation would be treated the same as if a candidate had died-that there would be a by-election after the regular election, in which the withdrawn candidate would be replaced by another and all candidates who were on the general election ballot could either fight on as their party's nominees or 

I can see how this might be open to abuse: minor party candidate (or independant) "takes a dive" so people can see the national election results before they vote locally.

Or suppose that you only postpone an election in the event that a major party candidate is dropped. How do you determine which parties are major parties and which parties are minor parties?

Ken Burch

Aristotleded24 wrote:

bekayne wrote:
Ken Burch wrote:

Alternately, why not have a provision that, if a candidate were removed after the deadline, the situation would be treated the same as if a candidate had died-that there would be a by-election after the regular election, in which the withdrawn candidate would be replaced by another and all candidates who were on the general election ballot could either fight on as their party's nominees or 

I can see how this might be open to abuse: minor party candidate (or independant) "takes a dive" so people can see the national election results before they vote locally.

Or suppose that you only postpone an election in the event that a major party candidate is dropped. How do you determine which parties are major parties and which parties are minor parties?

OK, it would have to be any candidate on the ballot.

And if we're talking about the ballot-printing issue, couldn't that be remedied by either allowing write-in candidates or giving out stickers onto which a replacement candidate's name could be stuck over name of the removed candidate on the ballot line?

 

Ken Burch

I do appreciate the points everybody is making here, btw.

Ken Burch

(Self-delete. Dupe post.)

Aristotleded24

Essentially, Elections Canada has rules that every local campaign is responsible for knowing and following. If one particular party messes up and either doesn't file proper paper work or nominates a candidate who has to be pulled back, the other parties who were prepared shouldn't be punished for that.

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Sorry I disagree. If your party tries to run the wrong person then you pay the price. Riding associations are responsible for their actions and it is at that level that we are supposed to be getting candidates.

I take this position as well. No take backs after the deadline. There needs to be time for the party to vet but also for other candidates to prepare and oppose and the public to do their vetting. Last minute substitutions does not reach the standard of informed choice. Parties can boot candidates - they just do not get to replace them.