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Justin Trudeau's progressive poppycock & scare mongering tactics

Justin Trudeau's progressive poppycock

 

  • Justin Trudeau and Finance Minister Bill Morneau used government funds to buy Kinder Morgan's Canadian pipeline assets, influriating many environmentally minded voters.

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  • Justin Trudeau and Finance Minister Bill Morneau used government funds to buy Kinder Morgan's Canadian pipeline assets, influriating many environmentally minded voters.MATT BARNES

Here are 12 things on the minds of many progressive Canadians as the election approaches:

* mass extinctions of species, including the possibility of losing endangered southern resident orcas;

* climate feedback loops that threaten the very future of humanity on Earth;

* grinding poverty that disproportionately affects people of colour, Indigenous people, the young, and senior women;

* an opioid crisis killing thousands of Canadians because of a dirty drug supply;

* Indigenous children and youths on reserves being denied basic human rights and a recognition that a distinctly Canadian genocide occurred;

* sky-high home prices that make young people feel that they'll never get into the housing market unless they have rich parents;

* unaffordable rents;

* rising food prices;

* brutally expensive postsecondary education, which is saddling young people with debt, sometimes for longer than a decade after graduation;

* fair treatment for the LGBT community;

* fair treatment for immigrants and refugees;

* and the rise of violent far-right extremists who attack and sometimes murder minorities.

In this election, those who feel that these issues aren't being adequately addressed are gravitating to the NDP or the Greens in English-speaking Canada.

And I'm betting that some of them are ticked off that Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau is trying to don the mantle of being a progressive—rather than apologizing for his failures to address some of these issues—as the final campaign week approaches.

Trudeau is desperately trying to convince NDP and Green voters that the only way to stop Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer from becoming prime minister is by casting ballots for the Liberals. The Liberals are the only "progressive choice", in his view, to thwart the return of a Stephen Harper–style government.

But here's the problem.

In four years in office, the Trudeau government has done little to address mass extinctions.

Trudeau almost never raises this issue in any of his speeches or in responding to MPs in the House of Commons.

Instead, his government has approved megaprojects, including two pipelines, that will only exacerbate this situation.

Sure, his government extended the distance that whale-watching vessels needed to be from orcas. But the cabinet and the energy regulator didn't initially even take into account the effect of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion on the very survival of those animals.

Let's move on to climate feedback loops. These include the risk of large-scale methane releases from the Arctic and carbon dioxide releases from the oceans, not to mention massive ice melts in Greenland and carbon releases from the soil and the Amazon rainforest.

Then there's the question about how warming can disrupt the great ocean conveyor belt bringing warm water north and cold water south. It's already slowed by about 15 percent in the Atlantic Ocean, according to research published last year by researchers at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact.

The main reason is rising greenhouse gas emissions.

Levke Caesar and Stefan Rahmstorf from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research discuss the links between the ocean's conveyor belt and the climate.

Trudeau rarely discussed any of these issues in his first term. He's sat by idly as oilsands production is slated to increase substantially in the coming years.

Instead, he bragged about an oceans protection plan that would prevent supertankers from dumping oil in Burrard Inlet or the Strait of Juan de Fuca.

But the consequences of all those downstream emissions from pipelines and the LNG Canada plant largely remained off his political radar until he suddenly got religion about the climate when Greta Thunberg visited Canada during an election campaign.

Now, Trudeau claims the only way to afford to make the economy greener is by exporting fossil fuels.

To Trudeau's credit, he has tackled grinding poverty to a certain extent by increasing the Canada Child Benefit for lower- and middle-income families.

But the Liberal government did nothing to seriously redistribute wealth by steadfastly avoiding addressing the preferential tax treatment for investors over those who go to work for a living.

The Liberals also oppose taxing the assets of the super rich, unlike the NDP, or bringing in a guaranteed basic income, unlike the Greens.

Trudeau and his multimillionaire finance minister, Bill Morneau, were never ones to upset the capitalist applecart.

As for the opioid crisis, the Liberals are adamantly opposed to the government creating a safe drug supply. While the Trudeau government has spent significant sums on other harm-reduction measures and the Liberals are promising more for treatment, they're not addressing the root cause of these deaths, which is contaminated illicit street drugs.

When it comes to Indigenous children and youths on reserves being denied basic human rights, the Trudeau government chose to appeal a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal decision. It ordered that billions in compensation be paid to First Nations kids and their families.

In their favour, the Liberals have made progress in reducing boil-water advisories on First Nations reserves. But there isn't any eagerness to educate the country about a Canadian genocide.

With regard to high housing prices, the Liberals introduced a first-time homebuyer incentive in the last budget. It enabled people to withdraw $35,000 from an RRSP, rather than the earlier cap of $25,000.

The budget also included a $100-million fund for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. to help eligible Canadians buy their first homes.

While these seem significant, they're fairly small potatoes in the context of a $355.6-billion federal budget.

In the meantime, the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions continues to require mortgage borrowers to adhere to the hated B-20 rule. This requires them to be able to repay loans at two percent higher than the contracted rate.

The one area where Trudeau can truly claim to be progressive is in his dealings with the LGBT community. The Liberal record vastly surpasses any other government in Canadian history. 

Trudeau also deserves credit for inviting 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada within a month. But the Canadian government's response to this humanitarian crisis wasn't nearly as generous as that of Germany.

Add it all up, though, and it's highly questionable whether Trudeau can truly claim to be a "progressive". Especially if anyone takes a close look at the government's doctor-assisted death law, which fell far short of the recommendations of the Supreme Court of Canada. Even Trudeau's current justice minister voted against it.

In fact, by pushing this line that Trudeau is a progressive—and suggesting that his party and the NDP and Greens are all on the same page—the Liberals risk triggering a voter backlash.

It has the potential drive even more progressives into the NDP and Green camps.

This would be their way of giving the finger to Trudeau, in the same way that many Americans gave the finger to the Democratic Party establishment by voting for Donald Trump in 2016.

A more honest approach would be for Trudeau to stick to bragging about his government's economic accomplishments. Then he could emphasize how a Conservative victory would put that in jeopardy.

That would appeal to blue Liberals who will never vote NDP or Green but who could be tempted switch to the Conservatives because of the SNC-Lavalin scandal and all this talk of Trudeau being a progressive.

https://www.straight.com/news/1313661/justin-trudeaus-progressive-poppycock

NorthReport

True to form Liberals are once again trying to scare Canadians into voting Liberal . What a lot of nonsense which repeats itself every election!

Justin acknowledges Tories could win, accuses them of running 'dirtiest' campaign ever

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-liberal-accuses-conservatives-dirty-campaign-1.5322439

 

NorthReport

What's the difference between the Conservative and Liberal platforms? The colour

 

If you hacked the websites of the two parties jostling for the lead so far in this election and swapped one platform for another, would anyone know the difference?

I should be more precise: would any real people know the difference? I'm not talking about Ottawa-obsessed political wonks and media types who are required to pore over the fine print, but real Canadians who aren't obliged to watch Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau twirl around in a canoe, or Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer blandly state his indignation.

Both camps, at various stages over the past couple of weeks, have lamented that there hasn't been enough focus on policy so far this campaign. This is a complaint typically hauled out when your guy isn't looking too great for whatever reason — like when Scheer appeared with an anti-abortion-activist-turned-candidate right at the start of the campaign, or when Trudeau told Canadians he couldn't recall exactly how many times in the past he wore blackface.

Why isn't anyone talking about the issues? they whine to an electorate that now can't get the Banana Boat Song out of their heads. Let's talk about things that matter.

In reality, neither party genuinely wants to talk about policy, because policy isn't going to win this election. How can it? Both parties are essentially offering the same things, with a few small differences largely imperceptible to the casual observer who probably has far better things to do than obsess over the details.

Affordable house-buying

For example, both the Conservatives and Liberals have interpreted "affordable housing" to essentially mean "accessible home-buying," and thus, have offered incentives to help Canadians get into the housing market. (The NDP's plan, to its credit, is actually about helping families find affordable places to live, not buy, though the party hasn't said precisely how it will pay for it.)

The Liberals' plan is to offer buyers money up front in exchange for a chunk of the equity; the Conservatives' is to loosen stress test requirements and extend the maximum length of a mortgage. Yet neither plan is actually geared toward relieving the pressure in hot housing markets like Toronto and Vancouver, and both, by further incentivizing buying, could very well make it more expensive to find a place to live. 

So both parties are promising more money in our pockets through tax cuts: the Conservatives by cutting the rate on taxable income under $47,630 from 15 to 13.75 per cent, and the Liberals, by raising the basic personal income tax deduction from $12,069 to $15,000 for those earning less than $147,000. The Liberal plan will do more to lift low-income Canadians out of poverty, according to analysis by B.C. economist Kevin Milligan, but for median-income households, the impact will be roughly the same.

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has promised Canadians access to interest-free loans of up to $40,000 to upgrade old furnaces and replace leaky windows in their homes. (Ryan Remiorz/The Canadian Press)

Both Scheer and Trudeau have announced incentives to retrofit your home through either an interest-free loan (Liberals) or refundable tax credits (Conservatives). On climate, the Liberals will keep a carbon tax that is too low to change consumer behaviour, and the Conservatives will implement what is essentially a carbon price on heavy emitters, without setting clear reduction targets.                                                                                                                          

Both promise to tackle gun violence. Neither will balance the budget in the next four years. Both have promised to make maternity and paternity leave tax-free. Neither will touch supply management or government bailouts of big business. 

And on the one major policy difference that could actually drive a policy wedge between voters — pharmacare — the Liberals, who came out guns blazing on the file before the campaign (notably, during the height of the SNC-Lavalin saga), have been conspicuously reserved

War room spin

Beyond that, the Liberal and Conservative platforms are virtually interchangeable; they hardly lay out the framework for dramatically different Canadas. Your choice is between tax cuts or tax cuts, a weak or weaker climate plan, interest-free loans or tax credits, and maybe drug coverage, depending on the details, if this promise doesn't go the way of electoral reform

That's why so much of the war room-generated focus is on the leaders themselves: Justin Trudeau as two-faced and unethical, and Andrew Scheer as the right-wing lovechild of Doug Ford and Stephen Harper.

Indeed, success for the Liberals will mean convincing voters that Scheer will implement harsh austerity measures, new abortion regulations and that Canada is one bad prime minister away from a U.S.-style gun crisis.

 

For the Conservatives, it will mean persuading voters that Trudeau is lawless and privileged, and that he will bankrupt Canada with his excessive spending. It has nothing to do with policy, and everything to do with personality.

It's a crummy way to decide an election, but perhaps the only way when the biggest difference between the platforms is their colours. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/policy-platforms-1.5298859

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This thread is poppycock

NorthReport

How you doing Alan?

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Better if people would quit comparing the Liberals with the Conservatives. Progressive they are not but the closest to it between the 2 are the Liberals.

+1 The Liberals are not sucking face with Donald Trump

+2 Trudeau hasn't met with Netanyahoo whereas the Conservatives will be showing off their analingus  skills to Israel. Why don't we join the US with waging Israel's war with Iran and getting involved with Syria.

+3 The Liberals legalized cannabis. A bold move and feat not many other countries have followed.

+4 Created new jobs and new industry in Canada. The Conservatives are all talk no action and in their minds a 'manufacturinbg job' is flipping burgers at McDonald's or serving coffee at Tim Horton's.

+5 Canada benefit tax which will put thousands in Canadian famlies pockets.

Now let's see what do they have in common in with those policies? They (the Cons) hate them. Because it helped people and creatred jobs. Something the Conservatives can't stand and are incapable of doing.

The Tories want to do right wing things like give the wealthiest a tax cut while taking a chainsaw to the programs the government provides.

Trudeau in black face or better yet commiting the sin of dressing up as Aladdin at an 'Arabian Nights'themed party.

Meanwhile Scheer appears on Faith Goldy's show and nothing but crickets from you all.

I've been watching the debates. Laughing hard at Scheer's failure in the French debate and nothing but attacks because they have no coherent platform besides make the rich richer and pipelines across Canada.

Also Trudeau had his life threatened. A threat so plausible he had to meet voters in Mississauga in a bullet proof vest and high security.

Because that's what today's Tories are. Hard, far right xenophobic nationalist  Trumpists. All that fucking bullshit down south is creeping up here and it is brought to you by the Conservatives.

So yes. This thread is poppycock

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

True to form Liberals are once again trying to scare Canadians into voting Liberal . What a lot of nonsense which repeats itself every election!

Justin acknowledges Tories could win, accuses them of running 'dirtiest' campaign ever

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-liberal-accuses-conservatives-dirty-campaign-1.5322439

 

It is a dirty campaign though. Take a look at conservative twitter (be sure to take a shower afterwards).

Sean in Ottawa

Just becuase we can see the difference between the NDP and the Liberals does not mean that we should not be able to see the difference between the Liberals and Conservatives even if we conclude that neither deserves a vote or to lead Canada. Frankly, I find this ongoing crap about them being no different is embarassing. When you say this to an undecided voter you make yourself look stupid.

Still, the Liberals are the in-the-way party sucking up votes for ideas they will never deliver on talking left and then not delivering. They are most definitely to the right of the NDP (even when they pretend different) and are not progressive. However, the suggestion that the Conservatives are the same is a major problem as the Conservatives have proudly ditched their progressive sounding name in order to underline the fact that they are as regressive as possible without going full-on extremist like Bernier.

If you want to credibly take votes from Liberals then you should be able to know that party well enough to be able to distinguish it not only from the NDP but also the Conservatives.

In many respects the Liberals are worse than the conservatives becuase of the efforts they take to attract progressive voters but when it come sto policy the Conservatives are worse.

As I have said before, the Conservatives have a tradition that they may lie once in a while about the details - with a wink -  but mostly they promise to screw you and deliver on that faithfully. The Liberals promise to help and lie.

Now the Conservatives are increasingly adopting the Liberal playbook of pretending to help - to be "for the people" - even as they are more extreme than they were before.

The Conservatives now are out-baiting and out switching the Liberal party in an attempt to follow the most shameless populist right wingers of the world.

This obviously will create problems for the traditional bait and switch party.

It may also create some problems for the NDP becuase conservatives lie so shamelessly that they almost make you think the Liberals are telling the truth. With both lying as deliberate strategy, it makes recognition of the truth more difficult.

Pondering

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

It may also create some problems for the NDP becuase conservatives lie so shamelessly that they almost make you think the Liberals are telling the truth. With both lying as deliberate strategy, it makes recognition of the truth more difficult.

So true. 

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One thing I will add on the credit ledger for the Liberals is that they undid some of the draconian changes Harper made to the Elections Canada Act. That includes allowing known people to vouch for a prospective voter who has no ID. This is huge for so many disenfranchised people like Indigenous people in urban areas and homeless people.

One thing I'm not sure on is whether the Liberals reinstated the pay per vote policy that Harper undid. I did hear someone on radio claim that a vote for who you want despite the odds would mean more dollars to their coffers.

KarlL

laine lowe wrote:

One thing I will add on the credit ledger for the Liberals is that they undid some of the draconian changes Harper made to the Elections Canada Act. That includes allowing known people to vouch for a prospective voter who has no ID. This is huge for so many disenfranchised people like Indigenous people in urban areas and homeless people.

One thing I'm not sure on is whether the Liberals reinstated the pay per vote policy that Harper undid. I did hear someone on radio claim that a vote for who you want despite the odds would mean more dollars to their coffers.

That was scrapped in one of the Harper majority-era budgets (2012, I think) and not reinstated.

KarlL

bekayne wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

 

True to form Liberals are once again trying to scare Canadians into voting Liberal . What a lot of nonsense which repeats itself every election!

Justin acknowledges Tories could win, accuses them of running 'dirtiest' campaign ever

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-liberal-accuses-conservatives-dirty-campaign-1.5322439

 

It is a dirty campaign though. Take a look at conservative twitter (be sure to take a shower afterwards).

It is an exceedingly dirty campaign.  Aside from the attempt to launch a fake sexual misconduct scandal (in which Conservative HQ itself participated) there's the Conservative Party lying in Chinese social media about legalization of hard drugs (I don't have a problem with the idea necessarily but with the deliberate lie).  There was also an openly promoted lie about taxing residential homes.  That's just the Conservative Party as such.  I am not even talking about the bots and Proud Boys and the other Scheer-supporting crazies out there. 

The toxicity is creeping in and we aren't so very far away from Swift Boat Veterans and that is not such a long leap from the world in which they stop using proxies and start just lying outright themselves, a la Trump.  

There are a lot of people on here who will accuse Liberals of cant and hypocrisy and I am probably too partisan to assess that fairly - but I do know that Trudeau and his team (and I am not otherwise a fan) swore off negative Ads in the 2015 campaign and have not embraced them this time either.

Simply put, there is no moral equivalency between the two parties that most Babblers oppose. Oh, and by the way, unlike Trudeau, Butts and Telford, I would have no qualms about going hard negative in advertising about Scheer.   

NorthReport

Nightmare on Liberal street

Politics Insider for Oct. 16: Minority reports, Wells on what’s at stake and one young woman’s challenge to voters

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/nightmare-on-liberal-street-politics-insider/

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