and are you worried about running out?
asking because of CN being on strike and news out here saying you are.
Quebecers are you feeling a restriction on propane use?
Fri, 2019-11-22 19:46
#1
Quebecers are you feeling a restriction on propane use?
Fri, 2019-11-22 21:27
#2
Funny thread title but very serious subject. It is another example of the fact that there is no right to strike in Canada. Workers can only strike if they will have no effect on the economy. That is a wondrous Catch 22 for our overlords. If your employer locks you out you can walk the line till you starve but if you have real economic clout you can only use it till the government orders you back to work.
So with this shortage I presume there are no propane heaters on restaurant patios.
Fri, 2019-11-22 21:30
#3
The propane shortage is impacting farmers who need it to dry their crops so they don't rot.
Fri, 2019-11-22 22:24
#4
The propane shortage is impacting farmers who need it to dry their crops so they don't rot.
So does that mean workers should not have the right to strike for better health and safety standards that also ensure less accidents. Why aren't we telling this company, Bill Gates is its largest stockholder, to get to the table with some money to solve the problems instead of talking about stripping the workers of their leverage.
Fri, 2019-11-22 23:04
#5
What propane shortage? You mean, in the news headlines? Sheesh. CP conductors aren't on strike. CP knows how to transport propane. What a fraud.
Fri, 2019-11-22 23:07
#6
Funny thread title but very serious subject. It is another example of the fact that there is no right to strike in Canada. Workers can only strike if they will have no effect on the economy. That is a wondrous Catch 22 for our overlords. If your employer locks you out you can walk the line till you starve but if you have real economic clout you can only use it till the government orders you back to work.
So with this shortage I presume there are no propane heaters on restaurant patios.
the title is because i dont necessarily believe the Alaskan in all is reporting. it can be overblown right wing. so wanted to check and see what's going on in QC from those there.
pondering so farmers right to make money is more important than safety concerns?
CN goes right by us and there was a derailment last week on the line. no bitumen. could have been so bad.
i agree with kropotkin we need to start pressuring the billionaire shareholders. not governments.
Fri, 2019-11-22 23:08
#7
Why aren't we telling this company, Bill Gates is its largest stockholder, to get to the table with some money to solve the problems instead of talking about stripping the workers of their leverage.
The strike isn't about money. It's about safety, fatigue, time off provisions and CN demands for lifetime caps on benefits (such as drugs).
Fri, 2019-11-22 23:29
#8
So does that mean workers should not have the right to strike for better health and safety standards that also ensure less accidents. Why aren't we telling this company, Bill Gates is its largest stockholder, to get to the table with some money to solve the problems instead of talking about stripping the workers of their leverage.
The strike isn't about money. It's about safety, fatigue, time off provisions and CN demands for lifetime caps on benefits (such as drugs).
Thanks for reiterating my point.
Fri, 2019-11-22 23:31
#9
What the hell? I just said it is for farmers not outdoor restaurants. Workers have a right to strike and farmers have a right to worry about getting their crops dry. I didn't realize kropotkin and quizzical don't consider farmers concerns valid.
Fri, 2019-11-22 23:39
#10
I asked if about restaurants because the farm shortage sounded like a bullshit story from our fake news MSM. Obviously if there is still propane for outdoor patios there can be no real shortage. Unionist's answer leads me to believe that my instinct was right.
Our ruling class has great success getting useful idiots to spout its bs every time part of the working class raise their heads.
Fri, 2019-11-22 23:42
#11
i didnt realize you prioritized Quebec farmers drying their canola to be more important and more valid than worker and community safety.
lives are at stake and are more important than profits for farmers.
Sat, 2019-11-23 15:29
#12
i didnt realize you prioritized Quebec farmers drying their canola to be more important and more valid than worker and community safety.
lives are at stake and are more important than profits for farmers.
Unlike you I think they are both important. I have long defended farmers on this board. Nothing in my comment suggested any specific solution. I don't agree with back to work legislation.
I do find strikes counter-productive in that they often get the public angry at the workers rather than the government. Perhaps legislation that they still have to pay 30% of a worker's pay would get them to the table for serious negotiations.
Sat, 2019-11-23 17:29
#13
I do propose government intervention. There should be an immediate investigation into union claims of dangerous work conditions by people qualified to do so. We don't need another Lac Magantic.
If the shortage of workers is unavoidable then negotiate with the union on how needs can be met short term and long term. I do not believe that workers are unreasonable. Treated as respected partners that also want the company to succeed workers can help provide solutions.
Forcing workers to strike to have their concerns met is counterproductive. Strikes should be a last resort. So far I am not hearing unreasonable demands.
Striking workers are demanding an end to what they call dangerous work conditions and fatigue due to long shifts. They are also opposing a move by CN Rail to reduce prescription drug benefits.
Tue, 2019-11-26 10:59
#14
I do propose government intervention. There should be an immediate investigation into union claims of dangerous work conditions by people qualified to do so. We don't need another Lac Magantic.
If the shortage of workers is unavoidable then negotiate with the union on how needs can be met short term and long term. I do not believe that workers are unreasonable. Treated as respected partners that also want the company to succeed workers can help provide solutions.
Forcing workers to strike to have their concerns met is counterproductive. Strikes should be a last resort. So far I am not hearing unreasonable demands.
Striking workers are demanding an end to what they call dangerous work conditions and fatigue due to long shifts. They are also opposing a move by CN Rail to reduce prescription drug benefits.
should be public and judicial.