Québec solidaire - the thread | Page 7

Tue, 2019-12-03 09:23

Unionist

swallow wrote:

The point of the merger was to try to eat the PQ's lunch. Tactically it may be working - Jean-Talon by-election today saw QS at 21% (third place) and PQ down to just 9% of the vote.

That Fidler piece is very useful. Another point to pull out:

The framework law will provide for negotiations with the First Nations and Inuit people, guaranteeing “their right to self-determination during the process of accession to independence.” Pending the results of these negotiations, Quebec will claim the continuity of its existing territory.

Worth pointing out that Quebec's "existing territory" is mostly stolen - same as with Canada. The QS stance here is colonialist.

I'm uncomfortable with some of the directions QS is taking in recent months. But your comment is thought-provoking. QS is saying (as far as I can see) that while Québec can accede to independence based on a decision of Quebecers alone (irrespective of what Ottawa etc. want) - a position I support (because that's what self-determination means) - there will be no fragmentation of Québec except as a result of negotiations with Indigenous peoples. It does sound hypocritical - maybe your descriptor "colonialist" is the right one.

Unless I'm misreading their statement. Are they saying that unless both sides agree to some final contract/treaty/settlement, then Indigenous people will not be "allowed" to exercise their right to self-determination? For example, if negotiations break down with no finality?

Another question: What concrete stance do you think QS should take on this matter (beyond words of recognition, etc.)?

Tue, 2019-12-03 09:45

#303

lagatta4

I think we'll have to hammer it out with Indigenous peoples and movements. There is a committee of Indigenous QS members now, but discussions must go far beyond that and require concrete support for Indigenous demands and movements.

Remember that many Québécois on the left view themselves as both colonisers (settlers) and colonised. This not the exception in the American continent; where all the countries south of the US have also been subjected to US colonisation (including stealing great swaths of land from Mexico, including most of fertile California) and political, economic and military interference, at times invasions. It has taken the left south of the US quite a while to understand the magnitude of Spanish or Portuguese (or at times Dutch, English, French etc) colonialism's impact on indigenous peoples, including massacres and sometimes outright genocide.

There is no easy answers, and not all the Indigenous nations have the power rights won through the James Bay negotiations to be able to live in full economic and social autonomy.

I'm not particularly happy with the recent course of QS either, but at least Fidler's piece is far more nuanced than most. One thing I'm absolutely NOT worried about is how Catherine Dorion was targeted for her dress, after Manon Massé for her dress and gender ambiguity. Diversity is not just a matter of skin colour, national origin or biological gender. In general Manon is taken very seriously now, though she still has to put up with a lot of shit. And MNA Dorion, as well as Andrés Fontecilla, have done a lot to defend the international students the CAQ planned to stab in the back.

Tue, 2019-12-03 09:58

#304

lombardimax@hot...

Solidaire lost ground in this byelection. Disaffected PQ and Liberal voters all went to the CAQ and Greens. The fusion deal with Option National was a miscalulation. It's interesting that the only time that NDPQ and Option National ever appeared on the same ballot (in a byelection) the NDPQ had 5 times the support of ON.

Jean-Talon

Polling stations: 158 / 158
Candidate and affiliation % Votes Leading

Joëlle Boutin
(C.A.Q.-É.F.L.)   43.38   9,950   4,208

Gertrude Bourdon
(P.L.Q./Q.L.P.)   25.03   5,742

Olivier Bolduc
(Q.S.)   16.95   3,888

Sylvain Barrette
(P.Q.)   9.32   2,137

Emilie Coulombe
(P.V.Q./G.P.Q.)   2.79   640

Éric Barnabé
(P.C.Q./C.P.Q.)   1.02   233

Ali Dahan
(Ind)   0.90   206

Stéphane Blais
(C.P.Q.)   0.37   85

Michel Blondin
(P.I.Q.)   0.14   32

Stéphane Pouleur
(É.A.)   0.10   23

Tue, 2019-12-03 16:18

#305

swallow

Yeah, my mistake, I read a piece last niht that showed QS at 21%, but the final numbers don't look good. Of course, quite a change from the last by-election when the PQ was a force in Jean-Talon. But it does seem that the momentum is fading.

I agree with what you're saying Unionist. The key, to me, would be to accept that self-determination includes land rights, including to traditional territories -- which is the key in, for instance, BC as well. And to accept that no change in political status quo may occur without the consent of the traditional landowners - especially given that there are almost no treaties in Quebec and all land is unceded.

But that would be poison to the sovereignty-first crowd.

How about a pledge to reserve a pledge of government revenues for the people who did not cede their land? Imagine what that could do for the Innu on the north shore, or the Mikmaq in Gaspesie, or the Abenaki or Malecite, or the Naskapi in their resource-rich lands.

But this, too, would be poison for the sovereignty-first crowd. The only solution I can see is to ditch the sovereignty-first line, but I can't see how the party can do that post-merger.

Tue, 2019-12-03 22:07

#306

jerrym

wrong thread

Thu, 2019-12-05 10:49

#307

Pondering

This is why it is such a stupid move to focus on sovereignty. While some QS members might accept indigenous sovereignty the referendums were run on the assumption that Quebec's borders were sacrosanct. During the last referendum indigenous peoples were ignored but since then they have become much more high profile so can't be ignored. Now the activists of QS see the contradiction between insisting on so-called self-determination for "Quebecers" but not for indigenous peoples but see no contradiction in not allowing Montreal self-determination no matter the size of our population.

QS/ON is failing. Hardline separatists, which is the vote QS is now going for, support Bill 21, and will not support indigenous sovereignty over Quebec land. Separatists, sovereignists, and nationalists are a minority and hopelessly fragmented. Of all the parties in Quebec CAQ probably comes closest to satisfying at least some Quebecers. Their approach is independence by stealth.

We are back to choosing between CAQ and Liberals as the only two viable parties. Our only hope is the NDPQ and it is a very faint one.

The only hope for a party like QS is if it truly represents the people or at least the interests of the people. QS does not represent the people nor their interests. QS represents people who think Canada is a monopoly game they can just quit upon winning an election like waving a magic wand. QS has been taken over by ON the same way the Progressive Conservatives have been swallowed by Reformers. The face may appear the same but it is a different party.

I wish all of our representatives were independents who represented their constituents instead of their political parties.

Thu, 2019-12-05 11:32

#308

pietro_bcc

We are back to choosing between CAQ and Liberals as the only two viable parties. Our only hope is the NDPQ and it is a very faint one.

The leader of the NDPQ only had 54% support in the last vote of members and he just decided he's staying, talk about ego. If barely 50% of the NDP supports its own leader, they don't have a faint hope, they have no hope. Also they support Bill 21, they're not a progressive party and NDP supporters should not support the NDPQ just because of branding.

As far as I'm concerned the only hope is a new party whose focus is on the expansion of rights for all rather than the continued contraction of rights (that means repealing Bill 21, holding an inquiry on systemic racism in Quebec and a revamp of loi 101 which focuses more on positive actions to promote the french language rather than the current orientation of punishing the use of english. A good concrete example of actually promoting the french language was proposed by Greg Kelley which would make french courses available for free to all, rather than just immigrants which is currently the case.)

Thu, 2019-12-05 22:40

(Reply to #308) #309

Pondering

pietro_bcc wrote:

We are back to choosing between CAQ and Liberals as the only two viable parties. Our only hope is the NDPQ and it is a very faint one.

The leader of the NDPQ only had 54% support in the last vote of members and he just decided he's staying, talk about ego. If barely 50% of the NDP supports its own leader, they don't have a faint hope, they have no hope. Also they support Bill 21, they're not a progressive party and NDP supporters should not support the NDPQ just because of branding.

As far as I'm concerned the only hope is a new party whose focus is on the expansion of rights for all rather than the continued contraction of rights (that means repealing Bill 21, holding an inquiry on systemic racism in Quebec and a revamp of loi 101 which focuses more on positive actions to promote the french language rather than the current orientation of punishing the use of english. A good concrete example of actually promoting the french language was proposed by Greg Kelley which would make french courses available for free to all, rather than just immigrants which is currently the case.)

As disgusted as I am with QS stupidity I still greatly admire Manon Massé and Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois. This was not their decision. They are spokespeople not leaders.

I could not agree more on promoting the French language. There should be shows at 3 levels of French aimed at introducing non-francophones to Quebec culture. That is how you get people to live in French.

Wed, 2020-02-12 21:56

#310

NorthReport

It's approaching the breaking point in all Canadian cities in Canada. The message is loud and clear. If you are poor or low income we don't want your kind around here.

Québec solidaire calls for emergency legislation on 'renovictions'

QS MNA Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois said Quebec is witnessing "the most serious housing crisis in 20 years."

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-solidaire-calls-for-emergency-legislation-on-renovictions

Thu, 2021-08-12 20:58

#311

lagatta4

A little more serious than Pondering's "disgust" with Québec solidaire, the most serious left party within the Canadian state and about the only one that can be counted as ecosocialist.

Fri, 2021-08-13 00:03

(Reply to #311) #312

Pondering

lagatta4 wrote:

A little more serious than Pondering's "disgust" with Québec solidaire, the most serious left party within the Canadian state and about the only one that can be counted as ecosocialist.

Quebecers, as a nation, as a sovereign people, have decided to remain within Canada. QS has no respect for that decision because it isn't the one they want. We have voted "no" twice. Since then polls have shown it has less and less support.

Will they admit to Quebecers that Quebec borders could change and probably would change? Have they told Quebecers they would respect Indigenous people's will to separate from Quebec?

Quebec is the only place in the world that claims its independence movement isn't separatist. Everywhere else they are clear that their goal is indeed separation.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.

The so-called sovereignty movement is dying because it makes no sense. There is no reason for it anymore. French is as protected as it ever will be. Preservation is fully dependent on the desire of French people to continue speaking it. French people have always ruled Quebec and ruled Canada the majority of the time as well.

Few immigrants are attracted to the independence movement. Most just want to live in peace and make money. They did not come to Canada for political upheaval. While I am sure there are many young people still in the movement on average it is getting much older. Young people resent being prevented from learning English because it is incredibly important professionally. Working in tech requires fluency. It moves far too fast to wait for translation. Global business requires English. Just doing business with the US requires English. 98% of scientific papers are published in English regardless of originating country.

The be all and end all of the argument for "sovereignty" is that it is required to protect Quebec language and culture. It's not. Quebec has all the powers it needs to accomplish whatever it wants within Canada and is stronger for it. Canadian soldiers just stepped in to rescue our elderly from unspeakable neglect at the hands of Quebec.

QS is choosing to reject the will of the majority of Quebecers on sovereignty or independence or whatever you want to call it.

I will probably hold my nose and vote QS anyway but they make it very difficult. On its own I don't think Quebec could become eco-socialist. The economic upheaval would be so great that Quebec would be up for sale in no time to fund the formation of the new government.

Fri, 2021-08-13 10:35

#313

lagatta4

You have absolutely no right to tell our party what choices to make, and your anglo-supremacist views are hardly appealing to our members, whatever their origins or mother tongue. Perhaps you didn't notice, but our delegation to l'Assemblée nationale has increased with each election, in the last one surpassing the PQ.

Of course ecosocialism is a global movement and can't be restricted to any single nation, whether Québec, Catalonia or the 11 Indigenous nations on our territory. But that doesn't negate self-determination rights anywhere.

Now with the angryphone you are backing in the Montréal elections... I don't give a fig who you'd vote for. Too much work building the réseau écosocialiste.

Sat, 2021-08-14 16:15

#314

NorthReport

lagatta4

Finland is showing us what can be accomplished when housing is made a priority instead of the nonsense that has been taking place with our useless, for the rich only, North America governments

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/the-sunday-edition-for-january-26-2020-1...

Sat, 2021-08-14 20:59

(Reply to #314) #315

Pondering

lagatta4 wrote:

You have absolutely no right to tell our party what choices to make, and your anglo-supremacist views are hardly appealing to our members, whatever their origins or mother tongue. Perhaps you didn't notice, but our delegation to l'Assemblée nationale has increased with each election, in the last one surpassing the PQ.

Of course ecosocialism is a global movement and can't be restricted to any single nation, whether Québec, Catalonia or the 11 Indigenous nations on our territory. But that doesn't negate self-determination rights anywhere.

Now with the angryphone you are backing in the Montréal elections... I don't give a fig who you'd vote for. Too much work building the réseau écosocialiste.

Canadians, including Quebecers, already have self-determiniation. We have voted and been polled over decades. I think we deserve to have our choice respected.

I am not anglo-supremist, a ridiculous term. English is a language of communication nothing more. No one is or ever has forced French people to learn it. No one stood in the way of French corporations. Quebec has always been led by French politicians and the majority of Prime Ministers have been from Quebec.

Anglophones didn't demand that immigrants choose English schools the French schools didn't want them.

CEGEPs are not recruiting French students, French students are choosing to attend them so a law has to be made to stop them from choosing to be educated in English.

I guess I'm just crazy thinking people should be able to speak whatever language they want, especially in the home and young adults should be able to choose the language they want to study in.

Sat, 2021-08-14 22:18

#316

lagatta4

Of course you have the right to speak whichever language(s) you want, but you have the nerve to tell the political party I belong to (and of which I was a founding member) what policies to support. "Only a language of communication" is imperialist bullshit. (Not necessarily English; France did the same in much of Africa). But in North America it is a statement of domination over French and Spanish speakers - to say nothing of Indigenous language speakers.

Absolutely nobody is telling people which language(s) to speak at home. (I deliberately do NOT use the term "in the home" which is familialist, thus misogynist). I heartily disagree about public education. Usually it is in the official language of a jurisdiction, sometimes throughout a country, sometimes a division thereof. Laws differ, but I doubt anywhere grants an absolute right to public education in the language of one's (aka the parents') choice. It would cost a fortune, for one thing. If I were still living in some non-francophone or non-anglophone country, I would have to pay for private school for such a privilege. Of course as a socialist, I'm against the every existence of such things.

The Québec labour movement fought for decades for the right to work in French and the right to collective agreements in French. But I guess you'd tell them that they must also submit to Pondering's views.

Sun, 2021-08-15 18:58

#317

Pondering

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Sun, 2021-08-15 22:46

(Reply to #317) #318

Pondering

lagatta4 wrote:
Of course you have the right to speak whichever language(s) you want, but you have the nerve to tell the political party I belong to (and of which I was a founding member) what policies to support.

I’m a member of QS but even if I were not I would still have the right to tell any political party what I think their policies should be. Most political parties want to know.

lagatta4 wrote:
. "Only a language of communication" is imperialist bullshit. (Not necessarily English; France did the same in much of Africa). But in North America it is a statement of domination over French and Spanish speakers - to say nothing of Indigenous language speakers.

For most people it’s just the language they speak or want to learn to better their lives professionally.

lagatta4 wrote:
Absolutely nobody is telling people which language(s) to speak at home. (I deliberately do NOT use the term "in the home" which is familialist, thus misogynist).

I have a home. It's just place where I live not a political statement.

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/breaking-point-studies-find-french-language-...

As the language used at home, French is expected to decline steadily over the next few years in favour of English, according to projections made public Monday by the Office québécois de la langue française (OQLF).

In the workplace, a similar trend was found, with English being required more often: one in two Quebecers -- even two out of three in Montreal -- regularly uses English or a language other than French at work....

In a statement, the minister said “the data clearly illustrate the decline of French and show that we are facing a breaking point in Montreal.”...

By 2036, native French speakers are likely to make up about 71 per cent of the population, down from 79 in 2011.

That being said, between 74 and 76 per cent of people are still expected to speak French at home, though that's still lower than the recorded 82 per cent in 2011. ...

Still in Montreal, two out of three French-speaking workers regularly use English at work, a proportion that climbs to 72.8 per cent among allophones, who’s mother tongue is neither English nor French.

lagatta4 wrote:
I heartily disagree about public education. Usually it is in the official language of a jurisdiction, sometimes throughout a country, sometimes a division thereof. Laws differ, but I doubt anywhere grants an absolute right to public education in the language of one's (aka the parents') choice. It would cost a fortune, for one thing.

The English communities of Quebec built and paid for English institutions through our taxes. We did not actively promote the English school system to immigrants. French people didn’t want immigrants tainting their schools. Ever since Bill 101 forced all allophones into the French system French families started leaving Montreal to live in Quebec communities to raise their children in Quebec culture. They will continue to do so leaving Montreal more and more to the English and immigrants. The English are not trying to take over or assimilate immigrants. The immigrants keep coming and the French Quebecers keep leaving.

lagatta4 wrote:
The Québec labour movement fought for decades for the right to work in French and the right to collective agreements in French. But I guess you'd tell them that they must also submit to Pondering's views.

I support the right to work in French and I support unions. Your prejudices against English speakers don’t apply to me. English corporations demanded that employees spoke English.

I also support the right of companies to require a working knowledge of English in jobs that require communication with the world outside of Quebec.

Shops in Montreal say Bonjour/Hi to indicate that they can serve in both languages because a significant number of customers speak English. The English community didn’t promote it. It’s a reflection of reality in Montreal.

Pretending that English is just like any other non-French language in Quebec defies reality. If it were not for the English of Montreal Quebec would be far poorer. Montreal is the gateway between Quebec and the rest of the world. It has always had a major anglophone community. A community that paid taxes and built schools and hospitals. They were not bestowed on us by the French.

Demographics and the simple reality of being in North America means English will grow no matter how hard Quebec tries to keep it out of the province unless immigration is severely curtailed and even then it is native French speakers that are clamoring to get into English CEGEPs.

Tue, 2022-03-29 19:59

#319

NorthReport

https://journalmetro.com/actualites/national/2798465/quebec-solidaire-pr...

Sat, 2022-04-09 17:24

#320

NorthReport

Here's hoping QS will do well, as their approach to government is needed now more than ever, as opposed to the usual nonsensical hero-worshipping of a leader which ends up damaging or destroying one country after another.

Quebec election: Marie-Victorin by-election will test all parties | CTV News

Sat, 2022-04-09 17:23

#321

NorthReport

Québec solidaire accuses Legault of cowardice when faced with CHSLD revelations

Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois says the premier sought scapegoats rather than answering questions from families whose loved ones died at the Herron.

Nadeau-Dubois accused Legault on Wednesday of seeking out scapegoats rather than answering questions from families whose loved ones died in a CHSLD.

“I find that cowardly,” said Nadeau-Dubois, adding that Legault had given himself “all the power” since Quebec’s state of emergency was declared March 13, 2020.

“When there are failures, scandals, tragedies, what does he do? He finds scapegoats, he throws people under a bus saying: ‘I didn’t know. It’s not my fault.’

“It shows a lack of courage and of leadership. You’re either responsible or you’re not. … You can’t only be responsible when things go well.”

Nearly 50 elderly patients died under horrible conditions at the CHSLD Herron during the first wave of the pandemic. The scale of the tragedy was not fully known publicly until they were detailed in a report by Montreal Gazette journalist Aaron Derfel.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-solidaire-accuses-leg...

Sat, 2022-04-09 17:26

#322

NorthReport

Étienne Grandmont briguera l’investiture de QS dans Taschereau

Étienne Grandmont regarde la caméra en souriant. Il se tient debout, en bordure d'une rue située près d'un parc, en été.

Étienne Grandmont tentera de succéder à Catherine Dorion en tant que candidat de Québec solidaire dans Taschereau. (Archives)

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1874812/etienne-grandmont-candidat-...

Sat, 2022-04-09 17:29

#323

NorthReport

QS porte plainte au DGEQ contre Duhaime

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2022/03/24/qs-porte-plainte-au-dgeq-cont...

Mon, 2022-04-11 22:54

#324

NorthReport

QS secures third place in Marie-Victorin tonite

https://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/resultats-et-statistiques/resultats-el...

Sun, 2022-05-15 19:14

#325

NorthReport

CAQ 99 seats

PLQ - 17 seats

QS - 8 seats

PQ - 1 seat

- according to 338

Party / Jan 16 / Feb 13 / Mar 6 / Apr 13 / Difference

CAQ / 42 / 41 / 41 / 44 / Up 2%

Lib / 20 / 20 / 18 / 17 / Down 2%

QS / 14 / 12 / 14 / 15 / Up 1%

Sun, 2022-05-15 19:15

#326

NorthReport

This is a worker's Party!

QS s’engage à créer un «droit au télétravail»

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2022/05/15/qs-sengage-a-creer-un-droit-a...

Sun, 2022-05-15 19:18

#327

NorthReport

Élections provinciales: 2 députés de QS de retour pour défendre leur place

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2022/05/14/elections-provinciales-2-depu...

Sat, 2022-05-21 18:10

#328

NorthReport

Quebec Solidaire really does represent working people, and this proposed legislation concerning access to water bodies is brilliant and exactly what lower income people need and deserve!

Quebec Solidaire wants to give all Quebecers access to water bodies

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-solidaire-wants-to-give-all-quebecers...

Sat, 2022-05-21 18:19

#329

NorthReport

What a breathe of fresh air!

Die Linke and Québec Solidaire Want to Rebuild Class Politics

A CONVERSATION WITH

ALEJANDRA ZAGA MENDEZ

ANDRÉ FRAPPIER

STEFAN LIEBICH

Die Linke’s Stefan Liebich recently met with members of Québec solidaire to talk politics. Bringing together vantage points from both sides of the Atlantic, the discussion covered political strategy, regional differences, and tactics for future left victories.

Three hundred thousand march in the streets of Quebec, 2012. (Brian Lapuz / Flickr)

https://jacobinmag.com/2022/05/die-linke-quebec-solidaire-left-politics-...

Sun, 2022-05-22 12:54

#330

lagatta4

Glad to see this and will read it! I'm a founding member of Québec solidaire; beforehand, I was in the UFP. I also attended the march ten years agoin the photo, and many others, including les casseroles.

Sun, 2022-05-22 13:00

#331

NorthReport

Bravo Lagatta!

Sun, 2022-05-22 13:38

#332

kropotkin1951

That was a great article about QS.

Sun, 2022-05-22 13:49

#333

NorthReport

Just gotta find a way to get more of these folks elected!

Québec solidaire présente son candidat dans Brome-Missisquoi

https://www.lavoixdelest.ca/2022/05/22/quebec-solidaire-presente-son-can...

Sun, 2022-05-22 13:51

#334

NorthReport

Une investiture qui « se resserre » dans Taschereau pour Québec solidaire

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1884850/course-investiture-quebec-s...

Sun, 2022-05-22 13:53

#335

NorthReport

Could QS become the Official Opposition this election. I sure hope so!

Sun, 2022-05-22 13:56

#336

NorthReport

J'aime ca!

Élections provinciales du 3 octobre

Olivier Fecteau portera les couleurs de Québec solidaire dans Beauce-Sud

https://www.enbeauce.com/actualites/politique/462859/olivier-fecteau-por...

Sun, 2022-05-22 14:06

#337

NorthReport

QS lorgne le comté de la ministre Girault

Le parti lui opposera une jeune mère de famille

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2022/05/20/qs-lorgne-le-comte-de-la-mini...

Sun, 2022-05-22 17:31

#338

NorthReport

Quebec polling presently is showing:

CAQ 42%

PLQ 18%

QS 15%

That public access to Quebec's waterbodies platform plank to me is a big winner, and should help to push QS past the hapless Liberals.

There was a time Liberals in Quebec had something to offer with Jean Lesage, etc. wrestling public education away from the clergy, but those days are long gone. More recently the only Liberal attaction for Quebec voters has been that they are a federalist party, but that issue has flown the coop.

Sun, 2022-05-22 21:13

#339

Pondering

Those are emotionally confusing numbers. I want to celebrate that QS could become the official opposition but cry because CAQ has such strong support.

Sun, 2022-05-22 22:18

#340

JKR

I don't think 15% is something to celebrate. Isn't 15% less than QS received in the last election? Doesn't this indicate that QS has not gained but may have even lost popularity since the last election almost 4 years ago?

Mon, 2022-05-23 20:38

#341

NorthReport

What an incredible breathe of fresh air QS is to politics in Canada.

Hopefully QS will do well in the upcoming Quebec election

Analysis: A more mature Québec solidaire takes a pragmatic turn

https://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/analysis-a-more-mature-quebec-so...

Mon, 2022-05-23 20:40

#342

NorthReport

Bravo!

Québec Solidaire souhaite rendre la contraception gratuite

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2022/05/23/quebec-solidaire-souhaite-ren...

Mon, 2022-05-23 21:03

#343

NorthReport

QS campaigns well, and as we can already see, they have begun to release an exciting platform, approximately 4 months away from the election on October 2, 2022.

In the previous election in 2018, about 4 months prior to the vote, QS was polling at 9% and QS increased their support 79%, to receive 16.1% of the popular vote.

In addition in 2018, QS increased their seat count from 3 to 10 seats, or a 333% increase in seat count.

Not too shabby!

Mon, 2022-05-23 21:53

#344

JKR

Isn't that a 234% increase? If they had had 1 seat in the previous election getting 10 seats in the election after that would have been a 900% increase!!! That would have been even less shabby!

Mon, 2022-05-23 22:03

(Reply to #344) #345

NorthReport

What's not to like about Quebec Solidaire as they have just added another very important progressive aspect to their platform but then again QS is running to represent the less privileged, the working class in Quebec society:

Projet de loi 96
Québec solidaire rendrait inopérante la clause de six mois

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/2022-05-23/projet-de-loi-96...
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sure 233% whatever.

JKR wrote:

Isn't that a 234% increase? If they had had 1 seat in the previous election getting 10 seats would have been a 900% increase!!! That would have been even less shabby!

Tue, 2022-05-24 08:30

#346

NorthReport

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1885620/qs-philippe-page-elections-...

Wed, 2022-05-25 00:26

#347

NorthReport

QS supports with some reservations!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bill-96-vote-law-1.6463965

Wed, 2022-05-25 00:30

#348

NorthReport

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2022/05/24/polycor-quebec-solidaire-inte...

Wed, 2022-05-25 00:33

#349

NorthReport

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2022/05/12/qs-demande-une-enquete-sur-...

Wed, 2022-05-25 18:09

#350

Pondering

Very disappointing. It will be hard to vote QS. I don't think I can based on the refusal to carve out an exception for indigenous people. That should have been a firm "no".

The governing Coalition Avenir Québec received support from the leftwing Québec Solidaire to pass the bill 78 to 29. The provincial Liberals voted against the bill, saying it went too far. The separatist Parti Québécois said the legislation didn’t go far enough....

Julius Grey, a lawyer leading the fight against the bill, called its passage one of the “most gratuitous uses of power I’ve ever seen” in an interview with CTV News. Grey said he and other lawyers planned to mount a series of legal challenges, adding they would fight it all the way to the United Nations.

The bill has also faced criticism from Indigenous groups, who say it erodes Indigenous language rights.

Earlier this month, the Haudenosaunee Longhouse, the traditional Mohawk government in the community of Kahnawake, pledged to defy the law, saying in a statement the bill “will never apply” to its people on their ancestral lands.

On Tuesday, the Assembly of First Nations called Bill 96 “a major step backwards” that harmed reconciliation efforts.

By invoking a legislative mechanism known as the “notwithstanding clause” to make the law immune from constitutional challenges, the Quebec government has significantly lessened the chances the federal government will intervene.

I won't speculate on their motives but the Liberals took a more progressive position than QS.

Wed, 2022-05-25 20:37

#351

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Indigenous people and the Quebecois should be allies on this issue. Both groups are struggling to protect and rejuvenate their respective languages.

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