Coronavirus: what Canadians need to know

By colour everything -- I mean there should no longer be comparisons between the pathological insanity of Trump and the decline of Biden. 

The US by making these deliberations secret allows three things

1)  the US to hide the truth from the public - this allows political manipulation

2) it significantly excludes science

3) it deprives the world of any shared knowledge that could contrirbute to best practices (what to do and what to avoid) for management of the disease.

This has not been done before for a public health crisis.

A person in a coma would be a better candidate for President of the US when you consider the implications here --  so long as there were some people like those surrounding Trump around them.

In this context -- the Democrats who are moving to Sanders to end the division and fight Trump ought to be undeerstood as something other than just the establishment. Many are considering that the Trump Presidency is a slow-moving emergency. Trump is adding fuel to this perception daily. The US needs a Bernie revolution but it is facing a catastrophic President that only by luck has not done even more damage than he has.

This is the context of the Corona virus emergency we find ourselves in beside a country this far away from anything rational. 

iyraste1313 you have twice been warned about posting unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. When you do that you compromise the integrity of the thread, so I can't promote it elsewhere on the site. You obviously don't care much about veracity of information so I'm removing the problem. You. I'm banning you.

In further proof that Trump doesn't give a damn about his own followers, although none was needed, he announced a new rally in Wisconsin on the same day Sanders and Biden discontined theirs in Ohio because of the risk to attendees from the Covid-19 virus. 

President Donald Trump's reelection campaign announced Tuesday that he will hold an event with supporters in Milwaukee the same day Democrats Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Vice President Joe Biden announced they were canceling events in Ohio out of concern for public health amid the coronavirus outbreak. 

Trump has privately insisted that there be no changes to his schedule, despite warnings from health officials about large gatherings as the virus has spread throughout the United States. He said Tuesday that the public should "stay calm" because the coronavirus will "go away," though officials on the Sanders and Biden campaigns said they were acting on advice from public officials who were worried about convening big crowds during the outbreak. 

Trump will launch the "Catholics for Trump" coalition on March 19 at the Wisconsin Center. It will be a "large campaign event," campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told CNN when asked if it was fair to characterize the coalition rollout as a rally. Initially a person familiar said the campaign would announce a rally Tuesday, not a "campaign event." ...

In an op-ed in The Washington Post, Trump's former homeland security adviser Tom Bossert is one of several officials who have discouraged large gatherings, to help mitigate the spread of the virus. 

"School closures, isolation of the sick, home quarantines of those who have come into contact with the sick, social distancing, telework and large-gathering cancellations must be implemented before the spread of the disease in any community reaches 1 percent," Bossert wrote.

Some people around Trump, including his former acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, have fed his belief that the media is exaggerating reports about the coronavirus in order to damage him politically. 

Rush Limbaugh, a close ally of Trump's, claimed on his radio show that Democrats want Trump to stop holding rallies "not because of public safety, not because of public health" but to hurt the President. 

"If you can't beat Trump and if you want to stop the appearance of excitement about the Trump campaign, then stop the rallies," Limbaugh said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics/donald-trump-campaign-rally-coro...

Fox News buried the story about the WTO declaring an epidemic! They also buried the story about the Dow losing over 1400 points today! You have to scroll way down their home page to find a story titled “Dow closes down over 1,400 points in volatile session amid virus pandemic.” Their lead story was about the Trump administration's anti Mexican immigrants policies! It's incredible how much harm Fox News has caused the US!

JKR wrote:

Fox News buried the story about the WTO declaring an epidemic! They also buried the story about the Dow losing over 1400 points today! You have to scroll way down their home page to find a story titled “Dow closes down over 1,400 points in volatile session amid virus pandemic.” Their lead story was about the Trump administration's anti Mexican immigrants policies! It's incredible how much harm Fox News has caused the US!

How correct you are. The right having already had a media biased to a degree in their favour (the degree being the bias of ownership from wealthy companies), declared that bias not sufficient and labeled the mainstream as left and went to the fringe to create a whole new reality redefining the "centre" far to the right of the centre of the population. Today, Trump and his followers call mainstream conservative media outlets leftist.

The same thing has been happening in Canada. In the 1970s and 80s the Globe was to the right and the Star centre or slightly to the left. No media was as far left as the NDP. This has been redefined as the Globe to the left, the Star the far left, Sun to the centre and new fringe extreme right as the right. Increasingly the right, even in Canada, is being defined as the extreme right of the US and the rest of the right there and here as, at best, centre, if not left.

This ability for people to choose a universe of their own for news allows people to live in these alternate realities.

Today, you see people on the right furious in response to "leftists" being allowed a say in anything -- even when those "leftists" are actually very Conservative but just not as fanatical.

This is very dangerous, as large proportions of the fringe population have no clue where the centre is and do not accept that they are on the fringe. From this standpoint they bully the centre with language like left and socialist to move other Conservatives to the right wing fringe. They move closer to condoning extreme measures to combat the left (that is in fact the rest of the population). This is nothing short of a collapse of any shared reality for a wider population. This was begun a generation ago with the advent of right of centre networks replacing the mainstream and people watching them increasingly forget they were to the right and seeing their vision as centre, Later it has been fueled by social media and increasingly extreme scoail commentary. 

I want to say that this initial tendency is not just on the right. People on the left often do not accept their position on the continuum. They have long described the mainstream centre as right wing when it reflected the positions of the median of political views in Canada. We should not compete with the right by enabling the same behaiour. Instead, we should be as disciplined as possible in defining where we are in terms of the actual median of opinion. This allows us to be more realistic and strategic about messages and be in a better position to call out distortions coming from the right that we cannot hope to compete with on the same terms.

This allows us to distinguish the difference between when more work needs to be done to shift public opinion from when political developments do not match public opinion and more political work is required. We cannot expect politics in a democratic system (even an imperfect one) to do anything more than reflect the median of opinion as democracy requires (at best). To that end we have to know where that median is in order to concentrate efforts appropriately.

In Canada the mainstream left party, the NDP, for example is probalby closer to a global centre but it is not Canada's centre. Even those who locate themselves left of the NDP should not define it as right - even if it is right of themselves. Fact is, that it is okay to be left of centre. We do not have to falsely argue that the centre is not where it really is. That places us at disadvantage. It is still possible to argue that the world is right of where it should be and therefore that the centre of the world is righter than we are without giving up either a hold on reality or a political position. The game the right is playing now is one the left has tried and failed at. The left does not have the persuasive power of the funded communications of the right to compete in fantasies. At best we just might succeed in an argument on behalf of reality if we show discipline to advocate for it.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

You have got to be fucking kidding.

Yup I was.

I agree with you. It's a huge deal. People saying "but the common cold" or "but the flu" aren't grasphing how dangerous this can be. Costco in Ottawa the other day was fucked, and that's before they started having confirmed cases.

Canadians aren't used to national level (or even provincial level) emergencies that see wide scale panic and hording. People's fears feed off each other. I've gor 4 months and a week worth of comfortable living supplies and I'd like to get that up to 8 or 9.

jerrym wrote:

In further proof that Trump doesn't give a damn about his own followers, although none was needed, he announced a new rally in Wisconsin on the same day Sanders and Biden discontined theirs in Ohio because of the risk to attendees from the Covid-19 virus. 

President Donald Trump's reelection campaign announced Tuesday that he will hold an event with supporters in Milwaukee the same day Democrats Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Vice President Joe Biden announced they were canceling events in Ohio out of concern for public health amid the coronavirus outbreak. 

Trump has privately insisted that there be no changes to his schedule, despite warnings from health officials about large gatherings as the virus has spread throughout the United States. He said Tuesday that the public should "stay calm" because the coronavirus will "go away," though officials on the Sanders and Biden campaigns said they were acting on advice from public officials who were worried about convening big crowds during the outbreak. 

Trump will launch the "Catholics for Trump" coalition on March 19 at the Wisconsin Center. It will be a "large campaign event," campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told CNN when asked if it was fair to characterize the coalition rollout as a rally. Initially a person familiar said the campaign would announce a rally Tuesday, not a "campaign event." ...

In an op-ed in The Washington Post, Trump's former homeland security adviser Tom Bossert is one of several officials who have discouraged large gatherings, to help mitigate the spread of the virus. 

"School closures, isolation of the sick, home quarantines of those who have come into contact with the sick, social distancing, telework and large-gathering cancellations must be implemented before the spread of the disease in any community reaches 1 percent," Bossert wrote.

Some people around Trump, including his former acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, have fed his belief that the media is exaggerating reports about the coronavirus in order to damage him politically. 

Rush Limbaugh, a close ally of Trump's, claimed on his radio show that Democrats want Trump to stop holding rallies "not because of public safety, not because of public health" but to hurt the President. 

"If you can't beat Trump and if you want to stop the appearance of excitement about the Trump campaign, then stop the rallies," Limbaugh said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics/donald-trump-campaign-rally-coro...

Limbaugh can't die fast enough.

Let Donnie keep doing his rallies at this time. It's the perfect storm. and like Jonesville they will follow their Master into death. Maybe Americans would finally wake the fuck up to the fact the'Conservative' movement is a billionaire class SCAM!

alan smithee wrote:

jerrym wrote:

In further proof that Trump doesn't give a damn about his own followers, although none was needed, he announced a new rally in Wisconsin on the same day Sanders and Biden discontined theirs in Ohio because of the risk to attendees from the Covid-19 virus. 

President Donald Trump's reelection campaign announced Tuesday that he will hold an event with supporters in Milwaukee the same day Democrats Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Vice President Joe Biden announced they were canceling events in Ohio out of concern for public health amid the coronavirus outbreak. 

Trump has privately insisted that there be no changes to his schedule, despite warnings from health officials about large gatherings as the virus has spread throughout the United States. He said Tuesday that the public should "stay calm" because the coronavirus will "go away," though officials on the Sanders and Biden campaigns said they were acting on advice from public officials who were worried about convening big crowds during the outbreak. 

Trump will launch the "Catholics for Trump" coalition on March 19 at the Wisconsin Center. It will be a "large campaign event," campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told CNN when asked if it was fair to characterize the coalition rollout as a rally. Initially a person familiar said the campaign would announce a rally Tuesday, not a "campaign event." ...

In an op-ed in The Washington Post, Trump's former homeland security adviser Tom Bossert is one of several officials who have discouraged large gatherings, to help mitigate the spread of the virus. 

"School closures, isolation of the sick, home quarantines of those who have come into contact with the sick, social distancing, telework and large-gathering cancellations must be implemented before the spread of the disease in any community reaches 1 percent," Bossert wrote.

Some people around Trump, including his former acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, have fed his belief that the media is exaggerating reports about the coronavirus in order to damage him politically. 

Rush Limbaugh, a close ally of Trump's, claimed on his radio show that Democrats want Trump to stop holding rallies "not because of public safety, not because of public health" but to hurt the President. 

"If you can't beat Trump and if you want to stop the appearance of excitement about the Trump campaign, then stop the rallies," Limbaugh said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics/donald-trump-campaign-rally-coro...

Limbaugh can't die fast enough.

Let Donnie keep doing his rallies at this time. It's the perfect storm. and like Jonesville they will follow their Master into death. Maybe Americans would finally wake the fuck up to the fact the'Conservative' movement is a billionaire class SCAM!

 

There is no credible way to make sure that only right-wing true believers in Trump get sick. The Canada US border is also fairly pourous. Don't call for the continuation of the rallies as something that will only kill the stupid.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

jerrym wrote:

In further proof that Trump doesn't give a damn about his own followers, although none was needed, he announced a new rally in Wisconsin on the same day Sanders and Biden discontined theirs in Ohio because of the risk to attendees from the Covid-19 virus. 

President Donald Trump's reelection campaign announced Tuesday that he will hold an event with supporters in Milwaukee the same day Democrats Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Vice President Joe Biden announced they were canceling events in Ohio out of concern for public health amid the coronavirus outbreak. 

Trump has privately insisted that there be no changes to his schedule, despite warnings from health officials about large gatherings as the virus has spread throughout the United States. He said Tuesday that the public should "stay calm" because the coronavirus will "go away," though officials on the Sanders and Biden campaigns said they were acting on advice from public officials who were worried about convening big crowds during the outbreak. 

Trump will launch the "Catholics for Trump" coalition on March 19 at the Wisconsin Center. It will be a "large campaign event," campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told CNN when asked if it was fair to characterize the coalition rollout as a rally. Initially a person familiar said the campaign would announce a rally Tuesday, not a "campaign event." ...

In an op-ed in The Washington Post, Trump's former homeland security adviser Tom Bossert is one of several officials who have discouraged large gatherings, to help mitigate the spread of the virus. 

"School closures, isolation of the sick, home quarantines of those who have come into contact with the sick, social distancing, telework and large-gathering cancellations must be implemented before the spread of the disease in any community reaches 1 percent," Bossert wrote.

Some people around Trump, including his former acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, have fed his belief that the media is exaggerating reports about the coronavirus in order to damage him politically. 

Rush Limbaugh, a close ally of Trump's, claimed on his radio show that Democrats want Trump to stop holding rallies "not because of public safety, not because of public health" but to hurt the President. 

"If you can't beat Trump and if you want to stop the appearance of excitement about the Trump campaign, then stop the rallies," Limbaugh said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics/donald-trump-campaign-rally-coro...

Limbaugh can't die fast enough.

Let Donnie keep doing his rallies at this time. It's the perfect storm. and like Jonesville they will follow their Master into death. Maybe Americans would finally wake the fuck up to the fact the'Conservative' movement is a billionaire class SCAM!

 

There is no credible way to make sure that only right-wing true believers in Trump get sick. The Canada US border is also fairly pourous. Don't call for the continuation of the rallies as something that will only kill the stupid.

Not many or any 'libs' at a Trump rally. But I digress. I watched that Orange maggot on a Special News Report tonight trying to sound caring as he read from a teleprompter, of a text he didn't write, Promising billions to combat COVID 19 by spending on everything he CUT in the first place.

If his groupies believe him when he called it a hoax, these lead paint eating imbeciles will continue to think so and find themselvews in the hospital --- just to blame it all on the leftists, the socialists, the liberals, the Democratic Party, the press 'the deep state' and of course,Obama.

It's time the Right Wing cancer in DC with their leader trump stop blaming Obama. It's been 3 years. If there's any fuck ups, the finger should be pointed at the orange maggot and he himself should take some sort of responsibility for his own Party's failures.

Fat chance.              

Thanks MegB

The over abundance of conspiracy theories here have driven a substantial number of posters away

Too bad

MegB] <p>[quote=NDPP]</p> <p>[quote=MegB wrote:

iyraste1313 you have twice been warned about posting unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. When you do that you compromise the integrity of the thread, so I can't promote it elsewhere on the sight. You obviously don't care much about veracity of information so I'm removing the problem. You. I'm banning you.

NDPP wrote:

I do not approve of this banning. 'Unsubtantiated conspiracy theories' abound on this site. Why are those such as 'Russiagate' permitted and others unreported in the Guardian or New York Times denounced? This is thought-policing that has been proven wrong in the past eg 'Arab Spring' and should not be repeated. Please reconsider the ban.

We're cracking down on misinformation here. The ban stays.

NDPP wrote:

Coronavirus Pandemic Prompts Unprecedented Measures

https://youtu.be/Ttr9JHC8ZAo

Trump special address to the nation on COVID-19 and analysis

"No nation is more prepared or more resilient than the United States..."

We'll see.

He also said it is not a financial crisis; that it was Europe's fault becuase they did not take action against China quicker; that he was stopping all travel from Europe to the US except some US citizens; that the UK is exempt for whatever reason...

Market went into freefal after he spoke after rising in anticipation.

Nobody has confidence in the US response except the Trump cult.

I think it is more accurate to say "we are seeing"

NDPP wrote:

Coronavirus Updates:

   https://twitter.com/DrTedros

  https://twitter.com/TOPublicHealth

Good links -- thanks

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Not many or any 'libs' at a Trump rally.

They go to the rally. They they spread it around their communities. The spread affects everyone. Including those without access to care.

Liberals go to Trump rallies? Have you ever seen a Trump rally? It would be like a black man going to a KKK rally. If there are liberals going to these rallies, it's just to document on film how fucking ignorant 43% of the country who believe he's some sort of Messiah. Some think he's Jesus himself..Thats said with a straight face. Unfortunately, this is NOT hyperbole.

that country is divided not just by ideologies but some of the America's most mentally ill, gullible and conspiracy theorists that are way too far gone.

In short, Trumpers are in dire need of Seroquel, They are programmed zombies who reject reality. I doubt that any real liberal (not Joe Scarboroughs) would attend a Trump rally for fun and just to be in the crowd...I don't know.

I have no idea what point you are making. Are you implying that liberals go to his rallies and spread his poison? If so,. I coiuldn't disagree with you more

BREAKING: CP) Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his wife are in self-isolation over COVID-19 concerns, which has forced the cancellation of an in-person meeting of Canada's first ministers.

NDPP wrote:

Saved by the virus. Never mind Justin. Trusty deputy Chrystia can handle everything I'm sure.

This is a shocking statement to make. Try to wake up again this morning with a little humanity. Are we no better than the far right in Canada????

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Not many or any 'libs' at a Trump rally.

They go to the rally. They they spread it around their communities. The spread affects everyone. Including those without access to care.

Liberals go to Trump rallies? Have you ever seen a Trump rally? It would be like a black man going to a KKK rally. If there are liberals going to these rallies, it's just to document on film how fucking ignorant 43% of the country who believe he's some sort of Messiah. Some think he's Jesus himself..Thats said with a straight face. Unfortunately, this is NOT hyperbole.

that country is divided not just by ideologies but some of the America's most gullible and conspiracy theorists that are way too far gone.

In short, Trumpers are in dire need of Seroquel, They are programmed zombies who reject reality. I doubt that any real liberal (not Joe Scarboroughs) would attend a Trump rally for fun and just to be in the crowd...I don't know.

I have no idea what point you are making. Are you implying that liberals go to his rallies and spread his poison? If so,. I coiuldn't disagree with you more

Read what Bacchus said.

Sorry I was not clearer but in my defence -- this is something you should have been able to figure out without any comment at all from me. Trumpers do not live in isolation with only other Trumpers. Spreading widely in their "community" will only make an outbreak inevitable. 

Get your head areoung the idea that Trump supporters are stupid but they have money and are still flying all around the country thinking that their leader will protect them. It is ridiculous to suggest that a virus among them is good for others.

First of all, I clap to your comment below this.

Secondly,Trumpers are sick fucks. I couldn't give a rat's ass if the whole lot of them die --- including their leader.

Cruel but fair.

alan smithee wrote:

 

First of all, I clap to your comment below this.

Secondly,Trumpers are sick fucks. I couldn't give a rat's ass if the whole lot of them die --- including their leader.

Cruel but fair.

I do not understand what you mean you clap to my comment below this. Can you be clearer as we are obviously not understanding each other well at the moment.

I understand the anger. I have always felt that the safest and best end of the Trump administration is death by cheeseburger.

However, I do not call for this publicly very much becuase I think that reduces my own credibility. I definitely draw the line at any communicable disease that could infect others spreading around a community that represents probably as many people as the number who live in Canada.

I have been saying the greatest danger to Canadian public health at this moment is the mismangement and spread of this virus by idiots in the US. 

I also consider that the Trump Train is a cult. It has many of the characteristics of a cult. For this reason, I fear that there are people caucght up for a number of vulnerabilities in this group. They also have people near to them who care about them. I am reminded about this as I even have a friend who is deep in this and we cannot talk politics. It is difficult to describe or even understand how people can fall for what Trump is so obviously to us. Nevertheless it is happening. I cannot bring myself to wish death on all his supporters no matter how angry I am with this cult.

For the leadership I care little becuase I think they well understand what they are. But any opportunity for them to destroy themselves I woudl want limited to them and not part of a dangerous international health emergency.

ETA - you said in your post and I read over it too fast that Trumpers include the mentally ill. I agree. I categorically do not call for punishment of the mentally ill and I suspect that you do not as well. Perhaps you can see my point and retract the statement even though we both know and agree on where it is coming from and what you meant by it. I share your fury. I just cannot believe that you have fully thought through the implications of what you said.

Here Here Sean. Well said. If there is no difference between us (and increasingly there isn't) then we all deserve the death and destruction