Living in the SARS-CoV-2 era (distancing, wash hands, wear mask to protect others, but OK to go outside)

NorthReport wrote:

So, if you do not have the virus, would you wear a mask when traveling?

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No. Better to postpone travel. A mask is ineffective largely on protecting the wearer and using them in this way takes away from supplies for healthcare workers. I would wear gloves. The reason for the gloves is to remind myself to not touch my face and to be more crareful about surfaces. I would use hand sanitizer to clean the gloves frequently and wash hands at all opportunity. Better yet, postpone travel if possible.

No on the mask -- without goggles they are largely pointless

NorthReport wrote:

So what has China done to put a stop to the live animal markets?

They banned them

Paladin1 wrote:

We're about 3 weeks behind Italy in terms of an explosion of infected people.

Food and household items are going to start disapearing quick as people panic-buy and feed off each others fears. Suggest you look at at leasts 3-4 months of provisions if you can afford it. Ration food and supplies.

It seems to me that unless the supply lines for these consumer goods are shut off (of which there is no hint as yet), the stores will be full again next week, and all the idiots who were out panic buying this week will be left wondering what to do with 100 kilos of rice and 640 rolls of toilet paper.

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

We're about 3 weeks behind Italy in terms of an explosion of infected people.

Food and household items are going to start disapearing quick as people panic-buy and feed off each others fears. Suggest you look at at leasts 3-4 months of provisions if you can afford it. Ration food and supplies.

It seems to me that unless the supply lines for these consumer goods are shut off (of which there is no hint as yet), the stores will be full again next week, and all the idiots who were out panic buying this week will be left wondering what to do with 100 kilos of rice and 640 rolls of toilet paper.

Last week the WHO was saying the virus wasn't a threat.  I don't suspect this will be over in a month or two. Estimates are 12-18 months.

Shortages of goods would happen for a few reasons I believe.

1. Companies and/or their workers decide they're not putting their own lives at risk to make/manufacture/package/deliever/sell products. Workers call in sick or just say they're not coming in.

2. Borders close or are severely restricted and a vaccum develops. When a shipment does arrive at a store people decend on it in a panic. Which leads to the next reason.

3. Because this situation is relatively new to/unseen by most Canadians they'll be prone to panic. We haven't dealth with this before on a parge scale or for such a projected amount of time. They might have a month or two supply of something but they see/hear their neighbour is stocking up on something so their survival instinct sorta kicks in and they theorize well they better buy X just like everyone else before it's gone. Herd behavior like 200 water buffalo running from 1 crocadile.

As for the supplies 3-4 months of supplie sis better than 1 month. 3-4 months can be rationed to last almost twice as long if someone is careful. Past a panic period of 2-3 months people may be likely to calm down and a plan and supply system might stabalize.  I have 3 an a half months worth and I'm looking at doubling it. If I don't need it right away then  I'll have have emergency supplies just in case, or I won't have to go shopping a while.

I'm reading that the body doesn't create an immunity to Covid19 at this time so if you get it once you can get it again. There's also talk about this being a yearly occurance.

JKR wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

BC Health Minister Adrian Dix is now asking Americans not to come to BC.

The feds should ban Americans. Too bad BC can't.

The idea that ferries are unloading tourists for vacation purposes in Victoria, one of the oldest demographics of anywhere, just shows how out of touch our "national" decision makers are. Banning non-essential trips would seem to be the only sensible idea, with a broad definition of essential; wide enough to drive a truck through. It seems that more and more our national interest is being determined by Freeland's handlers in Washington and New York.

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Sean I advocated for stopping non-essential trips. Fuck your over simplifications of my posts. Who the fuck do you think you are?

You are out of control and probably have no idea how boring this is. You are making a fool of yourself. I have no idea why you persist with this.

My comment was on the topic and a response. This site encourages conversation that includes explanations of what people are reporting. My post was not criticizing the objective of not having unessential trips.

This is what that company says on their website:

The borders between our two countries are very important, and we are following the direction of both countries in regard to the movement of people and goods. Our vital supply chains are interdependent, and we all share a commitment to one another and our communities. Whether it’s a Canadian returning from their winter home or an American in a similar situation, we are being mindful that people need to return to their loved ones and homes.  Our travelers today are our friends and family members returning home, not tourists. Discretionary travel is not recommended at this time.

Now please go and make long sweet love to yourself. You clearly need it.

ETA the link to https://www.cohoferry.com/ has been removed. My response was to that and the rest of the conversation. This is a problem when people can delete things after posting them and other people respond.

NorthReport wrote:

An expert guide to social distancing – and what to do if friends and family aren't onboard

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/16/how-to-social-distance-convince-friends-family

I read commentary about partners who live together. If they spend all their time together and face the same risks and take the same precautions some experts argue that there is no point adding stress by distance between them. However if one goes to work and the other does not this changes.