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NorthReport

The Party of Life Embraces Trump’s Death Cult

We’ve skipped over any nuanced discussion of economic considerations, straight to the part where Republicans rationalize letting a million or so people die to fix the economy.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-party-of-life-embraces-trumps-gdp-death-cult

Pondering

Trump will not get another term and will go down as the worst president they every had because at least major parts of if not the entire country is about to be decimated. Trump followers are believers. They accept his simplistic argument that more people die from car accidents and the common flu every year. They think only the old and weak will die. They have also believed their entire lives that the US is the greatest nation on Earth. They have a "can-do" attitude that can't be beat. 

They are on a trajectory to be worse than Italy. Even the wealthy and upper middle-class will suffer. The economic hit will be worse because eventually it will be shutdown like Italy. Americans will be shocked beyond belief. This will be traumatizing. 

I am quite afraid for the US. It is a country full of guns and faith in American exceptionalism. 

Trump will bear the blame for this because he said everything would be fine and it was his job to make it so. As he has been worshipped he will be vilified. 

NorthReport

DHS wound down pandemic models before coronavirus struck

A vital modeling program was sidelined amid a bureaucratic battle, former officials say, leaving U.S. less prepared to face the virus.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/24/dhs-pandemic-coronavirus-146884

NorthReport

Coronavirus: What this crisis reveals about US - and its president

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52012049

NorthReport

The New Trump Show: ‘I’ve Gotten to Like This Room’

The president has turned the abandoned briefing room into a new stage and he’s making it must-see TV.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-white-house-briefing-room-press-conference-147571

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

6 reasons to be skeptical of Trump’s calls to reopen the economy

Trump wants to send Americans back to work in a matter of weeks, despite efforts to curb the spread of coronavirus.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/24/21191557/trump-coronavirus-economy-reopen-social-distance

Those are all reasons  not to be skeptical. His decisions will not be based on expert opinion. It is individual states that will act. 

NorthReport

New Polls And New Candidates Are Giving Democrats Some Hope Of Flipping The Senate

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/new-polls-and-new-candidates-are-giving-democrats-some-hope-of-flipping-the-senate/

NDPP

Bernie Bails For Biden

Sanders campaign ends.

josh

Earlier than I expected.  The virus thing just froze the campaign in place, and gave him little shot.  But he will still be on the ballot in most of the states that have yet voted, and will accumulate additional delegates, which may influence the platform.

NDPP

'Bernie Sanders is Out of the Presidential Race' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/BenJolly9/status/1247910492372418563

"The Democrats are running Joe Biden against Donald Trump."

(lol)

Aristotleded24

josh wrote:
Earlier than I expected.  The virus thing just froze the campaign in place, and gave him little shot.  But he will still be on the ballot in most of the states that have yet voted, and will accumulate additional delegates, which may influence the platform.

A platform which will not be enacted as Trump wins by a landslide and takes states that Clinton took in 2016 in the Fall.

NorthReport
NorthReport

Did Sanders Blow It For The Democratic Left? Or Was The Nomination Always Out Of Reach?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/did-sanders-blow-it-for-the-democratic-left-or-was-the-nomination-always-out-of-reach/

NorthReport
josh

Aristotleded24 wrote:

josh wrote:
Earlier than I expected.  The virus thing just froze the campaign in place, and gave him little shot.  But he will still be on the ballot in most of the states that have yet voted, and will accumulate additional delegates, which may influence the platform.

A platform which will not be enacted as Trump wins by a landslide and takes states that Clinton took in 2016 in the Fall.

Uh.  Yeah.  Ok.

Aristotleded24

josh wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

josh wrote:
Earlier than I expected.  The virus thing just froze the campaign in place, and gave him little shot.  But he will still be on the ballot in most of the states that have yet voted, and will accumulate additional delegates, which may influence the platform.

A platform which will not be enacted as Trump wins by a landslide and takes states that Clinton took in 2016 in the Fall.

Uh.  Yeah.  Ok.

Why would anyone vote for Biden when he can't string a coherent sentence together and he has been accued of sexually assaulting one of his aides?

NorthReport

What's the alternative?

Aristotleded24

NorthReport wrote:
What's the alternative?

This

NorthReport

We’ve Heard Trump’s Coronavirus Excuses Before

They’re the same ones Republicans used after 9/11. Trump debunked them.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/trump-coronavirus-bush-911-excuses.html

Douglas Fir Premier

Aristotleded24 wrote:

josh wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

josh wrote:
Earlier than I expected.  The virus thing just froze the campaign in place, and gave him little shot.  But he will still be on the ballot in most of the states that have yet voted, and will accumulate additional delegates, which may influence the platform.

A platform which will not be enacted as Trump wins by a landslide and takes states that Clinton took in 2016 in the Fall.

Uh.  Yeah.  Ok.

Why would anyone vote for Biden when he can't string a coherent sentence together and he has been accued of sexually assaulting one of his aides?

The Supreme Court.

I get and respect why people some people might not be able to bring themselves to vote for him.

But - as someone who's well to the left of the Democrats - that's the reason I'd probably hold my nose and vote for him, if I were a U.S. citizen and eligible to vote in a competitive state.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 87, and has faced a string of health problems in recent years. Stephen Breyer is 81. Clarence Thomas is 71, and is rumoured to have health problems of his own. And Samuel Alito - while a mere 70 years young - might look at RBG as a cautionary tale, and opt to retire while a Republican is still in the White House, depending on how things are looking after the 2022 midterms.

If Trump gets another four years in office, there's a very realistic chance that there will be six Trump appointees on the Supreme Court by 2024.

Douglas Fir Premier

Having said that, I am not at all optimistic about his chances of beating Trump. He will be a terrible candidate.

NorthReport

Dont let Sanders dropping out cloud judgement

Trump's briefings aren't working and he is taking a political hit according to 6 recent pollsters

Douglas Fir Premier

NorthReport wrote:
Dont let Sanders dropping out cloud judgement

I'm not. Biden would still be a terrible candidate even if Bernie had never run for the nomination.

And he's a terrible candidate irrespective of anything that's happening with Trump. It's not like there can be only one terrible major-party candidate per election (see: 2016 election). 

Sean in Ottawa

Douglas Fir Premier wrote:

Having said that, I am not at all optimistic about his chances of beating Trump. He will be a terrible candidate.

Perhaps but let's see the VP candidate. I bet it is someone better at campaigning. If not then well... Shit.

josh

Aristotleded24 wrote:

josh wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

josh wrote:
Earlier than I expected.  The virus thing just froze the campaign in place, and gave him little shot.  But he will still be on the ballot in most of the states that have yet voted, and will accumulate additional delegates, which may influence the platform.

A platform which will not be enacted as Trump wins by a landslide and takes states that Clinton took in 2016 in the Fall.

Uh.  Yeah.  Ok.

Why would anyone vote for Biden when he can't string a coherent sentence together and he has been accued of sexually assaulting one of his aides?

And when did you stop beating your wife.

NorthReport

Biden's our only hope now to get rid of Trump! Think about it.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

josh wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Why would anyone vote for Biden when he can't string a coherent sentence together and he has been accued of sexually assaulting one of his aides?

And when did you stop beating your wife.

Which one of these 2 assertions do you consider lacking in evidence?

YouTube is full of mashups of Biden talking insanely about Corn Pop, mistaking New Hampshire for Vermont and telling voters who question him that they should just vote for Trump. Al Franken was forced to resign from the senate over far less serious sexual allegations. Thousands of Republican ads will display the evidence of both, and they should be starting right about now, since Bernie has dropped out and the Rs no longer have to worry about having a competent opponent for Trump.

Biden may still win, but it will be strictly an anti-Trump vote, which failed for Hillary, and may well fail for him as well.

bekayne

Michael Moriarity wrote:

josh wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Why would anyone vote for Biden when he can't string a coherent sentence together and he has been accued of sexually assaulting one of his aides?

And when did you stop beating your wife.

Which one of these 2 assertions do you consider lacking in evidence?

YouTube is full of mashups of Biden talking insanely about Corn Pop, mistaking New Hampshire for Vermont and telling voters who question him that they should just vote for Trump. Al Franken was forced to resign from the senate over far less serious sexual allegations. Thousands of Republican ads will display the evidence of both, and they should be starting right about now, since Bernie has dropped out and the Rs no longer have to worry about having a competent opponent for Trump.

Biden may still win, but it will be strictly an anti-Trump vote, which failed for Hillary, and may well fail for him as well.

Democrat ads can do that as well.

Paladin1

Trump is going to win because the left haven't learned their lesson about dismissing other peoples views and attacking people for having different views.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

bekayne wrote:

Democrat ads can do that as well.

And look how well that worked for Hillary. Slam dunk. As long as people think both sides are equally bad, or nearly so, the right will always win. Their base love having evil leaders, and would turn out in record numbers to vote for the devil, as long as he/she hated the libs and foreigners enough. On the other hand, those who might be inclined to vote Democratic become disgusted and don't bother voting.

Paladin1

Michael Moriarity wrote:
 Their base love having evil leaders, and would turn out in record numbers to vote for the devil,

 

You've seen the video of Hillary Clinton laughing about murdering a foreign leader right? Or "joking" about assassinating Julian Assange (or was it chelsea manning?) with a drone strike?

Clinton and Trump are same level evil.

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Paladin1 wrote:

You've seen the video of Hillary Clinton laughing about murdering a foreign leader right? Or "joking" about assassinating Julian Assange (or was it chelsea manning?) with a drone strike?

Clinton and Trump are same level evil.

Well, you do have a point. But that was just what I was saying, the Dem base failed to show up for Clinton, because they realize how corrupt and evil she is. Whereas the right eagerly voted for the at-least-as-evil Trump.

josh

Michael Moriarity wrote:

josh wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Why would anyone vote for Biden when he can't string a coherent sentence together and he has been accued of sexually assaulting one of his aides?

And when did you stop beating your wife.

Which one of these 2 assertions do you consider lacking in evidence?

YouTube is full of mashups of Biden talking insanely about Corn Pop, mistaking New Hampshire for Vermont and telling voters who question him that they should just vote for Trump. Al Franken was forced to resign from the senate over far less serious sexual allegations. Thousands of Republican ads will display the evidence of both, and they should be starting right about now, since Bernie has dropped out and the Rs no longer have to worry about having a competent opponent for Trump.

Biden may still win, but it will be strictly an anti-Trump vote, which failed for Hillary, and may well fail for him as well.

With all the video of Trump's insanity?  If they want to go that route, they'll be more than matched.  Same with the sexual assault allegation.  With Franken there was a photo.

josh

Paladin1 wrote:

Trump is going to win because the left haven't learned their lesson about dismissing other peoples views and attacking people for having different views.

I guess all those libtard, UN-American, cuck and other allegations came from Democrats.  Republicans never engage in name-calling and cultural wedge politics.

josh

Michael Moriarity wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Democrat ads can do that as well.

And look how well that worked for Hillary. Slam dunk. As long as people think both sides are equally bad, or nearly so, the right will always win. Their base love having evil leaders, and would turn out in record numbers to vote for the devil, as long as he/she hated the libs and foreigners enough. On the other hand, those who might be inclined to vote Democratic become disgusted and don't bother voting.

Different now with Trump the having been in office and an incumbent.  Some of you are as bad as those on the right in believing that every election from now on will just be a repeat of 2016.  Like generals fighting the last war.

Sean in Ottawa

Paladin1 wrote:

Trump is going to win because the left haven't learned their lesson about dismissing other peoples views and attacking people for having different views.

We don't know that -- particularly since we do not know how this crisis is going to end or how it will be understood by the people. We also do not know if Trump will go if he loses or if he will give up on winning and just steal the election. I think that is more likely than an actual win now.

But don't deal in certainties we can all consult astrologers if we choose.

Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Democrat ads can do that as well.

And look how well that worked for Hillary. Slam dunk. As long as people think both sides are equally bad, or nearly so, the right will always win. Their base love having evil leaders, and would turn out in record numbers to vote for the devil, as long as he/she hated the libs and foreigners enough. On the other hand, those who might be inclined to vote Democratic become disgusted and don't bother voting.

Different now with Trump the having been in office and an incumbent.  Some of you are as bad as those on the right in believing that every election from now on will just be a repeat of 2016.  Like generals fighting the last war.

Agree. Democrats may not be the only ones to make that mistake. Now we have the so-called black swan event in progress and people thinking they can predict the result never mind the best means to fight the election.

I am certain there will be game changers between now and Nov and not just Coronavirus. We cannot predict what they will be or the final result. I am not even willing to predict this will end up still being Trump-Biden. We shall see. Maybe.

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This is Wisconsin’s Republican state Assembly Speaker Robin Vos at a polling place in Burlington, Wisconsin. You just have to envision this. Vos is wearing a surgical mask, gloves and hospital gown — more personal protective equipment than many healthcare workers have been given access to.

ASSEMBLY SPEAKER ROBIN VOS: Everybody is here safe. They have very minimal exposure. Actually, there’s less exposure here than you would get if you went to the grocery store or you went to Walmart or you did any of the many things we have to do to live in the state of Wisconsin.

quote:

Barnes and other critics say Republicans forced the election due to a critical state Supreme Court race between conservative incumbent Daniel Kelly and a liberal challenger, Jill Karofsky. President Trump has endorsed Kelly.

This comes as other states consider whether or not to move upcoming elections to be entirely vote by mail. President Trump himself requested an absentee ballot to vote in Florida’s March primary, but he attacked mail-in voting when questioned by a reporter on Tuesday.

Link

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

josh wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Democrat ads can do that as well.

And look how well that worked for Hillary. Slam dunk. As long as people think both sides are equally bad, or nearly so, the right will always win. Their base love having evil leaders, and would turn out in record numbers to vote for the devil, as long as he/she hated the libs and foreigners enough. On the other hand, those who might be inclined to vote Democratic become disgusted and don't bother voting.

Different now with Trump the having been in office and an incumbent.  Some of you are as bad as those on the right in believing that every election from now on will just be a repeat of 2016.  Like generals fighting the last war.

No, I don't believe that at all. What I do believe is that the Dems would have a tough time beating Trump without offering more than a return to normalcy no matter who the candidate was. Bernie Sanders, uniquely among the candidates, actually offered a program that could inspire supporters, which is why the Democratic elite would have chosen him if they really cared about beating Trump more than they cared about pleasing their donors.

If the candidate not offering anything were Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or even Pete Buttigieg, it might be feasible because Trump is just that bad. However, in my opinion, with such a dreadful candidate as Biden it becomes almost impossible. If Biden wins, a turnip could have won. Perhaps that will happen, but if so the voters will have decided that even a turnip is better than a Trump.

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/9d98VkKM6jQ

"Trump tells the truth about Bernie dropping that Democrats won't."

josh

NDPP wrote:

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/9d98VkKM6jQ

"Trump tells the truth about Bernie dropping that Democrats won't."

Impossible.  Trump hasn't told the truth in his life.

NorthReport

The Two States Where Trump’s COVID-19 Response Could Backfire in 2020

Voters in Michigan and Florida may be more likely than others to blame or credit him for how the outbreak unfolds.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/trump-whitmer-desantis-coronavirus/609727/

NorthReport

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Aristotleded24

josh wrote:
And when did you stop beating your wife.

When did you stop beating yours?

Paladin1

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Well, you do have a point. But that was just what I was saying, the Dem base failed to show up for Clinton, because they realize how corrupt and evil she is. Whereas the right eagerly voted for the at-least-as-evil Trump.

I'm not sure about her base not showing up sir. She did win the most votes and the 2016 voter turn out was about the same as the 2012 election turn out. Some of her voters may have stayed home because she had that 99% chance of beating Trump so thought why bother voting.

I think their right probably voted because they didn't like being called deplorables by a presidental candidate. Clinton seemed happy with flaunting Hollywood actors as supporters and didn't put that much effort into her campaigning.

Paladin1

josh wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

Trump is going to win because the left haven't learned their lesson about dismissing other peoples views and attacking people for having different views.

I guess all those libtard, UN-American, cuck and other allegations came from Democrats.  Republicans never engage in name-calling and cultural wedge politics.

 

That's a fair point. How much of the name calling came from Democrat politicans? What kind of names did Trump or other Republican politicians call Democrat voters?

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Paladin1 wrote:

That's a fair point. How much of the name calling came from Democrat politicans? What kind of names did Trump or other Republican politicians call Democrat voters?

Historically, it seems that this trend of demonizing the other party began with Newt Gingrich, and has been used much more by Republicans than Democrats in the last 25 years.

wikipedia wrote:
A number of scholars have credited Gingrich with playing a key role in undermining democratic norms in the United States, and hastening political polarization and partisan prejudice.[7][8][9][52][53][54][55][56][10][57][58] According to Harvard University political scientists Daniel Ziblatt and Steven Levitsky, Gingrich's speakership had a profound and lasting impact on American politics and health of American democracy. They argue that Gingrich instilled a "combative" approach in the Republican Party, where hateful language and hyper-partisanship became commonplace, and where democratic norms were abandoned. Gingrich frequently questioned the patriotism of Democrats, called them corrupt, compared them to fascists, and accused them of wanting to destroy the United States. Gingrich furthermore oversaw several major government shutdowns.[59][60][61][53]

josh

Paladin1 wrote:

josh wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

Trump is going to win because the left haven't learned their lesson about dismissing other peoples views and attacking people for having different views.

I guess all those libtard, UN-American, cuck and other allegations came from Democrats.  Republicans never engage in name-calling and cultural wedge politics.

 

That's a fair point. How much of the name calling came from Democrat politicans? What kind of names did Trump or other Republican politicians call Democrat voters?

It's DemoctatIC.  Another Republican insult.  

Paladin1

josh wrote:

It's DemoctatIC.  Another Republican insult.  

But neither me or Michael Moriarity are Republicans :(

cco

Douglas Fir Premier wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Why would anyone vote for Biden when he can't string a coherent sentence together and he has been accued of sexually assaulting one of his aides?

The Supreme Court.

I get and respect why people some people might not be able to bring themselves to vote for him.

But - as someone who's well to the left of the Democrats - that's the reason I'd probably hold my nose and vote for him, if I were a U.S. citizen and eligible to vote in a competitive state.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 87, and has faced a string of health problems in recent years. Stephen Breyer is 81. Clarence Thomas is 71, and is rumoured to have health problems of his own. And Samuel Alito - while a mere 70 years young - might look at RBG as a cautionary tale, and opt to retire while a Republican is still in the White House, depending on how things are looking after the 2022 midterms.

If Trump gets another four years in office, there's a very realistic chance that there will be six Trump appointees on the Supreme Court by 2024.

The right-wing Democratic establishment has already started hammering on this line. It's the ultimate Charlie Brown football: The Supreme Court! You must not think of anything but the Supreme Court! Fuck policy, fuck sick people, fuck stopping the slaughter of brown people overseas, fuck the collapsed economy, fuck your future, fuck your kids, fuck your grandkids. Settle for the hope of a Supreme Court justice who, 30 years down the line, might not vote to overturn your fundamental rights. That's what American politics is now.

Joe Biden has already promised to veto Medicare for all. Do you think Supreme Court justices he picks will uphold any state's single-payer system? He opposes abortion. Think his justices will uphold Roe v. Wade? He's an architect of racist mass incarceration policies. But now we're supposed to believe he'll appoint a left-wing Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court, like everything else, was lost as soon as Bernie dropped out.

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