NDP Supporting Conservatives For In-Person Question Period During Covid19

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Mighty Middle
NDP Supporting Conservatives For In-Person Question Period During Covid19

Andrew Scheer is demanding that the Liberal government, in return for the Tories’ support on postponing Monday’s scheduled return of all 338 MPs to Parliament, agree to hold frequent in-person sittings of question period in the House of Commons.

Last Saturday when the House re-opened for an Emergency Passage of a bill - Even with a smaller crew of MPs Saturday - approximately 40 staff were called to the West Block — extra security staff, cleaners, transcribers, interpreters, clerks, and broadcast technicians, plus, of course, political staff.

NDP House leader Peter Julian told HuffPost his party is more in line with the Tories. The NDP supports the idea of having an in-person question period with party leaders once a week, the B.C. MP said, and daily virtual question periods the rest of the week so MPs back in their ridings can ask ministers questions. 

“Everyone understands that given that parliamentarians are vectors for spreading the virus… any gathering of MPs even with the reduced Parliament has to be done prudently,” Julian said by phone. But “the competition between parties and ideas makes for better government,” he said, and “in-person accountability checks are not a bad idea.”

“We need to have a balance,” he said. “Meeting every day in Ottawa is dangerous and can’t protect the health and safety of the public or the people who work on the Hill, but having a reduced format once in a while or once a week with a reduced number of MPs could work in Ottawa.”

The Liberals have pushed to have a virtual Parliament to minimize public health risks while ensuring debate and accountability..

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/elizabeth-may-andrew-scheer-covid-19...

Because the parties could not agree on the issue of In-Person Question Period - The House of Commons is scheduled to return Monday - all 338 members. While the Senate has extended its adjournment until June 2

Misfit Misfit's picture

On a good day your Liberal hate trolling of the NDP is nauseating. Could you please during this covid crisis stop with the partisan crap you so love to spew on this board? Under normal circumstances it is distasteful but it is especially more so during this time.

Please everyone else. You are feeding his ego by discussing these threads.

Mighty Middle

Misfit wrote:

On a good day your Liberal hate trolling of the NDP is nauseating. Could you please during this covid crisis stop with the partisan crap you so love to spew on this board? Under normal circumstances it is distasteful but it is especially more so during this time.

Please everyone else. You are feeding his ego by discussing these threads.

NDP is the ones backing the Conservatives for in-person Question Period during the Covid19 crisis - that is a fact. By hurling insults all you are doing is deflecting from the issue of whether or not to have in-person Question Period during a pandemic. If it is good enough for the media to cover this story on "in-person Question Period during a pandemic" then it is good enough for discussion on this board.

cco

The House of Commons of Canada is the room that contains the mace. Any change to this, no matter how well-intentioned and prudent, requires a constitutional amendment. A Zoom meeting presided over by Anthony Rota, even with all 338 members logged on, is parliamentary fan fiction.

The Liberals already floated their idea for an enabling act giving cabinet the right to govern without Parliament for two years and got shut down. Trudeau floated the Emergencies Act to the premiers and got shut down on that too. Canada will remain a democracy, such as it is, for the moment. When everyone from health care workers to transit drivers to grocery store employees is expected to continue working despite the pandemic, asking for at least 20 MPs to show up, spread out in the House, and proceed with the functions of Parliament isn't unreasonable.

What the Liberals are actually going for with this line is to sell the meme that accountability is a danger to public health. We'll see if anyone's buying.

Mighty Middle

cco wrote:
What the Liberals are actually going for with this line is to sell the meme that accountability is a danger to public health. We'll see if anyone's buying.

Judging by the reaction on social media - majority seem to feel public health is more important.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

It's the travel aspect that seems most dangerous in my view. And if you limit participation to those MPs who can travel by car or have chosen to physically isolate in Ottawa, you are not really operating representatively.

kropotkin1951

laine lowe wrote:

It's the travel aspect that seems most dangerous in my view. And if you limit participation to those MPs who can travel by car or have chosen to physically isolate in Ottawa, you are not really operating representatively.

My MP's travel from Vancouver Island highlights your point. Of course if the parties can agree to only send a set number of MP's to the House the rest don't have to go if they have quorum. I am sure the House Whips can figure out a formula that would have the voting outcomes be the same as if the full House was in the seats. I would like my MP to have a chance to do virtual questions from his home on important local issues like fish farms.

Pondering

The oversight of government particularly in trobling times is an essential service. MPs that don't live in Ottawa can move there temporarily if need be. They are very well paid to represent us. I don't think they have to meet daily but opposition parties should be able to ask for an in person when they have issues they want to press the government on.

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Misfit wrote:

On a good day your Liberal hate trolling of the NDP is nauseating. Could you please during this covid crisis stop with the partisan crap you so love to spew on this board? Under normal circumstances it is distasteful but it is especially more so during this time.

Please everyone else. You are feeding his ego by discussing these threads.

NDP is the ones backing the Conservatives for in-person Question Period during the Covid19 crisis - that is a fact. By hurling insults all you are doing is deflecting from the issue of whether or not to have in-person Question Period during a pandemic. If it is good enough for the media to cover this story on "in-person Question Period during a pandemic" then it is good enough for discussion on this board.

Actually we should discuss this artfully prepared post.

Liberal supporters are out enmasse spreading propaganda at a moment where democratic functions are essential. They ahve spent the last few weeks shouting down any criticism of the goverrnment's plans despite how problemative many of the are.

Let's look at this one.

Liberals are the government. The NDP and Conservatives want to question the government. No surprise they would agree to it and the government would seek to evade questioning. But look further at this particular line of posting that seeks to blame the NDP and Conservatives for a failure to make a deal forcing the entire commons to come together. No chance on blaming the Liberals for not wanting to be questioned? The NDP and Conservative proposal is sound. Question period in person with party leaders, that is hardly a bid deal. We are talking 5 people. What is wrong with that? and why is it wrong to agree with the Conservative on a matter of democracy rather than the govenrment that does not want to be questioned?

Mighty Middle

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Liberals are the government. The NDP and Conservatives want to question the government. No surprise they would agree to it and the government would seek to evade questioning. But look further at this particular line of posting that seeks to blame the NDP and Conservatives for a failure to make a deal forcing the entire commons to come together. No chance on blaming the Liberals for not wanting to be questioned? The NDP and Conservative proposal is sound. Question period in person with party leaders, that is hardly a bid deal. We are talking 5 people. What is wrong with that? and why is it wrong to agree with the Conservative on a matter of democracy rather than the govenrment that does not want to be questioned?

The issue is NOT avoiding Question Period. The Liberals, the Bloc and Green Parties are on the side of having a Virtial Question Period. Plus parlimentary committees are currently being done virtually with questions and answers happening online. 

The issue is "In-Person Question Period" The Conservatives and NDP that have drawn a line in the sand and insisting it be "In-Person Question Period" and NOT be done virtually. Thus putting support staff at risk to catching the virus.

If people are suppose to be self-isolating (as ordered by Health Canada) leaving your house and subjecting others to the virus in the petri-dish that is the House of Commons, that is not "sound"

This is a health pandemic as in Ontario we have

Surpassed 10,000 confirmed cases of Coronavirus with 500 deaths linked to Covid19

533 ICU Patients due to Covid19 - with Almost HALF (245) being in Ont.

We need to keep those numbers from not increasing, and it won't by NOT self-isolating. Which is why the Bloc, Green and Liberals want to do Virtual QP - But it is the Conservatives and NDP that want QP "In-Person"

There is so much blowback to this on social media, it is not a good look for the NDP siding the Conservatives on putting people's lives at risk by re-opening Parliament.

kropotkin1951

Pondering wrote:

The oversight of government particularly in trobling times is an essential service. MPs that don't live in Ottawa can move there temporarily if need be. They are very well paid to represent us. I don't think they have to meet daily but opposition parties should be able to ask for an in person when they have issues they want to press the government on.

My MP is paid very well to represent my riding and its people, not you and your neighbours, you elected someone else. An MP's job is a mix of many things and the work in the House is merely one part of that. The riding level constituency work is what an MP's biggest non-partisan job is. The House committees are already meeting virtually and that is where the main oversight takes place.Given the seat counts of the parties, votes in the House are not in really dispute so you get as much accountability as you ever do in our system. With the myriad of programs being rolled out why should he go to Ottawa to appear in the House once a week instead of staying at home and serving his constituents needs for information.

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Pondering wrote:

The oversight of government particularly in trobling times is an essential service. MPs that don't live in Ottawa can move there temporarily if need be. They are very well paid to represent us. I don't think they have to meet daily but opposition parties should be able to ask for an in person when they have issues they want to press the government on.

My MP is paid very well to represent my riding and its people, not you and your neighbours, you elected someone else. An MP's job is a mix of many things and the work in the House is merely one part of that. The riding level constituency work is what an MP's biggest non-partisan job is. The House committees are already meeting virtually and that is where the main oversight takes place.Given the seat counts of the parties, votes in the House are not in really dispute so you get as much accountability as you ever do in our system. With the myriad of programs being rolled out why should he go to Ottawa to appear in the House once a week instead of staying at home and serving his constituents needs for information.

Liberal social media trolls everywhere are trying to mislead everyone on this. What the NDP and Conservatives wanted was a stripped down House of 32 people to debate. Not a terrible compromise.

I am not at all sympathetic to the idea that we cannot have such a small number of MPs perform this work. This is safer than having the govenrment make up rules on the fly for how such a parliament would function virtually. This government does not seem to want accountability right now and it is making mistakes.

Liberal trolls are shouting down any criticism of the govenrmnet and are claiming many things that are misleading or untrue and Liberal MPs are promoting that.

Aristotleded24

Here in Manitoba, the Legislature just met in order to pass more measures, and they took precautions. Some of our MLAs represent remote, northern constituencies that would be very hard hit from a covid outbreak and where travel was just restricted. Yet they found a way to take precautions and still meet.

Sean and cco are absolutley correct. The left needs to get over this knee-jerk attitude that anything the Conservatives propose is bad (especially when it comes to monitoring and calling out Liberal excesses) if it is going to be relevant. Let's take a look at each idea on its merits.

Debater

Actually, it's only the Conservatives who are insisting that Parliament meet several times a week in person.

The Liberals, NDP, BQ & Greens are trying to come up with a more reasonable compromise to meet in person once or twice a week and then arrange a virtual Parliament the rest of the time.

As Chantal Hébert says, the Conservative response has been tone-deaf, and may explain their drop in the polls:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2020/04/17/andrew-scheers-tone-deaf-response-to-covid-19-is-bad-news-for-the-next-conservative-leader.html

Aristotleded24

Debater wrote:
Actually, it's only the Conservatives who are insisting that Parliament meet several times a week in person.

The Liberals, NDP, BQ & Greens are trying to come up with a more reasonable compromise to meet in person once or twice a week and then arrange a virtual Parliament the rest of the time.

As Chantal Hébert says, the Conservative response has been tone-deaf, and may explain their drop in the polls:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2020/04/17/andrew-scheers-tone-deaf-response-to-covid-19-is-bad-news-for-the-next-conservative-leader.html

The reason the Conservatives have seen a drop in the polls is the same reason every incumbent Premier has seen a rise in their polls. It's the Prime Minister and the Premiers who are on TV addressing their constiuents, providing updates, and (excluding Manitoba) providing aid to residents. Plus people naturally look to their leaders in times of crisis, and leader approval generally goes up, at least to start. Even Doug Ford has benefitted from an improved public perception. It's very difficult for opposition leaders to gain traction in this kind of environment.

Debater

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Debater wrote:
Actually, it's only the Conservatives who are insisting that Parliament meet several times a week in person.

The Liberals, NDP, BQ & Greens are trying to come up with a more reasonable compromise to meet in person once or twice a week and then arrange a virtual Parliament the rest of the time.

As Chantal Hébert says, the Conservative response has been tone-deaf, and may explain their drop in the polls:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2020/04/17/andrew-scheers-tone-deaf-response-to-covid-19-is-bad-news-for-the-next-conservative-leader.html

The reason the Conservatives have seen a drop in the polls is the same reason every incumbent Premier has seen a rise in their polls. It's the Prime Minister and the Premiers who are on TV addressing their constiuents, providing updates, and (excluding Manitoba) providing aid to residents. Plus people naturally look to their leaders in times of crisis, and leader approval generally goes up, at least to start. Even Doug Ford has benefitted from an improved public perception. It's very difficult for opposition leaders to gain traction in this kind of environment.

There is more to the Conservative drop than that.  As Chantal Hébert says in her piece above, in the new Léger poll, the NDP & BQ are seeing their numbers hold, while the Conservatives are seeing a drop.  So the Conservative Party is coming across as tone-deaf.

And the good news today is that the Conservatives lost their attempt to make Parliament meet in-person 4 times a week.  The Liberals, BQ, NDP & Greens joined together to agree that Parliament will meet 1 time a week in-person:

https://www.nelsonstar.com/news/liberals-bloc-ndp-greens-approve-once-a-week-sittings-in-house-of-commons/

eastnoireast

if canada can keep building pipelines, and armoured cars for saudia arabia, and force sean onto the grocery front lines,  it can hold real actual question periods.   staring at screens is not the same.

Sean in Ottawa

Debater wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Debater wrote:
Actually, it's only the Conservatives who are insisting that Parliament meet several times a week in person.

The Liberals, NDP, BQ & Greens are trying to come up with a more reasonable compromise to meet in person once or twice a week and then arrange a virtual Parliament the rest of the time.

As Chantal Hébert says, the Conservative response has been tone-deaf, and may explain their drop in the polls:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2020/04/17/andrew-scheers-tone-deaf-response-to-covid-19-is-bad-news-for-the-next-conservative-leader.html

The reason the Conservatives have seen a drop in the polls is the same reason every incumbent Premier has seen a rise in their polls. It's the Prime Minister and the Premiers who are on TV addressing their constiuents, providing updates, and (excluding Manitoba) providing aid to residents. Plus people naturally look to their leaders in times of crisis, and leader approval generally goes up, at least to start. Even Doug Ford has benefitted from an improved public perception. It's very difficult for opposition leaders to gain traction in this kind of environment.

There is more to the Conservative drop than that.  As Chantal Hébert says in her piece above, in the new Léger poll, the NDP & BQ are seeing their numbers hold, while the Conservatives are seeing a drop.  So the Conservative Party is coming across as tone-deaf.

And the good news today is that the Conservatives lost their attempt to make Parliament meet in-person 4 times a week.  The Liberals, BQ, NDP & Greens joined together to agree that Parliament will meet 1 time a week in-person:

https://www.nelsonstar.com/news/liberals-bloc-ndp-greens-approve-once-a-week-sittings-in-house-of-commons/

I do not think that the Conservative support is dropping and I do not think this is about the leadership of the party. I also do not think that what they are doing is turning off people who indicated they would support them three months ago. Still they are facing a net lower trend in their polling.  there are some interesting dynamics happning right now:

1) I agree the Liberals are holding their own with the "steady hand" crowd -- suppport to the govnerment in crisis. The government has considerable support from the upper-middle class they havee been advocating for and marketing to. No doubt, the willingnesss of the government to take care of business and the people who mattered to the economy and just let the others suffer is earning some new-found respect on the right.

2) Quite apart from the Conservative party, the conservative political philosophy is taking a hit. The market has no answers and many, many people who thought they were self sufficient and would never be vulnerable are finding out they are. 

3) Many people who were outside the political system -- the "they are all the same" crowd are being affected directly by political decisions and this is not helping the Conservatives.

4) The NDP would not be expected to sink given the lack of alternatives on the left and the fact that there is open water in a clearly definable way between them and the Liberals. The NPD will almost certainly need to run on some version of UBI in the next election. Of course the party often most trusted on the healthcare file has never been the Conservatives. This matters as many Canadians who considered the need to worry about healthcare a distant future possibility are now contemplating a healthcare fight for their lives.

I think that pettiness around the House is something that will annoy many people (who may tune out on the details and blame all parties) but it won't move the needle in support.

Meanwhile the heartlessness of the rightwing in multiple countries, particularly the US,  is on display.

What we are seeing is a body blow to right of centre ideology in Canada (and perhaps other places). In the face of this, I think the Conservative party is holding up rather well. 

I think the reason the Conservatives are managing as well as they are despite the dramatic hit on their ideology, despite the promotion of healthcare to an amost exclusive position, despite the recongition of the vulnerability of people who thoguht they were safe -- Ford has managed to recover some respect and support here in Ontario. I have said that I believe this is misplaced but it is likely what is floating the Conservatives fortunes at the moment along with other Conservative premiers who are having decent public relations moments.. 

voice of the damned

I also don't think most of the people who are already inclined to vote conservative are going to view right-wing ideology as responsible for the crisis surrounding coronavirus.

I think how it's gonna go in Canada is that Liberals will stick with the Liberal Party, Conservatives with the Conservative Party etc, and most of the undecided will rally around whichever party happens to be in power in their province, which means if you live in anywhere between Alberta and Quebec, inclusive, you're rallying to the right.

Sean in Ottawa

voice of the damned wrote:
I also don't think most of the people who are already inclined to vote conservative are going to view right-wing ideology as responsible for the crisis surrounding coronavirus. I think how it's gonna go in Canada is that Liberals will stick with the Liberal Party, Conservatives with the Conservative Party etc, and most of the undecided will rally around whichever party happens to be in power in their province, which means if you live in anywhere between Alberta and Quebec, inclusive, you're rallying to the right.

I think there are a lot of people observing this who do not have clearly defined ideology. Some convincing realities here

Mighty Middle

Former NDP Leader Tom Mulcair has been blitzing Right-Wing Talk Radio championing & supporting Andrew Scheer for wanting Daily Question Period back on the agenda

Mulcair even changed the mind of Conservative bigwig Jerry Agar of News Talk 1010 that Andrew Scheer is 100% right (see below)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/agar-i-was-blaming-scheer-for-...

In addition Mulcair went on National TV the other day and said he always appreciated Andrew Scheer for being a "thoughtful" (Mulcair's word) person - which puzzled Mulcair as to why Scheer would lump himself with Trump/Fox News in regards to the WHO.

How could someone who is so "thoughtful" (as Mulcair describes Scheer) then turn around and be like Trump & Fox News Mulcair wonders?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMOy9nWUJ54

Who knew that Mulcair was such a cheerleader for Andrew Scheer?

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

He was always and remains an opportunist. So glad that he got turfed out.