The costs of flattening the curve

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Aristotleded24

Pondering wrote:

Mobo2000 wrote:
Pondering:  "because your sole objective seems to be lifting all restrictions immediately."   In my view caricaturing people's positions is the real conversation killer.

It isn't a caricature. Ask Aristotled himself and he will tell you. He wants mass events like concerts and world festivals to go ahead. No restrictions at all.   He thinks it should all be left to the individual to decide and vulnerable individuals can self-isolate if they so choose.

I've actually spoken to vulnerable individuals who essentially said if they want to take the risk and go out in a pandemic it should be up to them without someone else telling them where they should and should not go.

Mobo2000

Yes, people have vastly different approaches to dealing with risk.   My father is 83 years old, last year he was diagnosed with lymphoma.   After chemo he was in remission in January, then COVID happened.    He's about as high risk as it gets.   But he still wants hugs from the grandkids, to go on the occasional trip to the farmer's market, and to play bridge with his friends.   So he does.   We do what we can to minimize our risk of exposing him to anything we have when we are around, but there's no way to save him from himself, or to make different choices for him.   And he's been fortunate, he got to enjoy one of his few remaining summers with his friends and grandkids, and didn't get sick.   So it's hard for me to say he made the wrong choice.

Government enforcement of the pandemic restrictions seems to me to be to be an impossible task, and fruitless.    Not enough cops, too many noncompliant people.    And I don't want more cops.   If anyone's behaviour is going to be changed it will be because they are persuaded.  Overcoming the (very often justified) skepticism of government health agencies and health experts seems to me a greater challenge than our current media enviroment can handle.  

 

epaulo13

..imho

..when governments want certain outcomes they set conditions that force those outcomes to be achieved. ie if they want their constituencies, the corporation and banks etc, to maximize profits they keep the minimum wage low, they create poverty and unemployment. there is little choice for individuals.     

..from what i see we face the very same situation with the pandemic. those same governments want to normalize the economy as much as they can. so the don't offer adequate supports. they force people to go back to work where there isn't proper protections against covid. they force schools to reopen without ensuring the proper protections. and there is no doubt that the have the money to do just that..create adequate protections. what they don't have is the political will. 

..this is much greater than the civil liberties argument. the civil liberties argument reduces that reality. and the structural impact being felt by a far larger majority of people who have have lost work, are being evicted from their homes and so much more. those government failed to take the pandemic seriously in the 1st place. because they didn't want to spend the money nor disturb the economy. the economy where there is a structural upward transfer of wealth. the fact is there is very little free choice for the majority of people. that is not being addressed by the civil liberties argument.   

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epaulo13

Mobo2000

Epaulo:  "..when governments want certain outcomes they set conditions that force those outcomes to be achieved. ie if they want their constituencies, the corporation and banks etc, to maximize profits they keep the minimum wage low, they create poverty and unemployment. there is little choice for individuals.     

..from what i see we face the very same situation with the pandemic. those same governments want to normalize the economy as much as they can. so the don't offer adequate supports. they force people to go back to work where there isn't proper protections against covid. they force schools to reopen without ensuring the proper protections. and there is no doubt that the have the money to do just that..create adequate protections. what they don't have is the political will.   ..this is much greater than the civil liberties argument. the civil liberties argument reduces that reality."

I agree and well said (as usual).  There are many serious issues with civil liberties under the pandemic, particularly with contact tracing, cell phone tracking and an increased willingness in the general culture to believe in and defer to experts and leaders.   Worth talking about and paying attention to.   The level of relatively organized noncompliance has been surprising, and there's many possible government responses.      

But I very much agree the progressive focus must be on, as you say, inadequate supports, and ensuring that the costs of those supports aren't used to justify further austerity down the line.   

Pondering

Mobo2000 wrote:

Yes, people have vastly different approaches to dealing with risk.   My father is 83 years old, last year he was diagnosed with lymphoma.   After chemo he was in remission in January, then COVID happened.    He's about as high risk as it gets.   But he still wants hugs from the grandkids, to go on the occasional trip to the farmer's market, and to play bridge with his friends.   So he does.   We do what we can to minimize our risk of exposing him to anything we have when we are around, but there's no way to save him from himself, or to make different choices for him.   And he's been fortunate, he got to enjoy one of his few remaining summers with his friends and grandkids, and didn't get sick.   So it's hard for me to say he made the wrong choice.

Government enforcement of the pandemic restrictions seems to me to be to be an impossible task, and fruitless.    Not enough cops, too many noncompliant people.    And I don't want more cops.   If anyone's behaviour is going to be changed it will be because they are persuaded.  Overcoming the (very often justified) skepticism of government health agencies and health experts seems to me a greater challenge than our current media enviroment can handle.  

Interesting response. You accused me of caricaturing Aristotled's position. Aristatled confirmed that it was no caricature.

You then stated that your father should have the decision to decide for himself if he is willing to be exposed in exchange for contact with grandchildren. I agree with that too. Both my parents passed away before covid but had they not they would have wanted to be with family because they knew they didn't have a lot of time left anyway.

Are you agreeing with Aristotled that there should be no restrictions whatsoever? A position you thought was a charicature? If not what restrictions do you agree with?

epaulo13

There are many serious issues with civil liberties under the pandemic

..i agree

Mobo2000

Well, my personal practice is:   I follow the guidelines, I wear a mask, I don't go to raves or outdoor parties.   If I were to have anonymous sex in New York or BC I'd use a glory hole:  https://globalnews.ca/news/7204384/coronavirus-glory-holes-sex/

Regarding mass events, I am saying that regardless of the efficacy of banning mass events, it is difficult and problematic for governments to enforce a ban on mass events, and even more difficult for me to get behind that enforcement.   

Aristotleded24

Mobo2000 wrote:

Well, my personal practice is:   I follow the guidelines, I wear a mask, I don't go to raves or outdoor parties.   If I were to have anonymous sex in New York or BC I'd use a glory hole:  https://globalnews.ca/news/7204384/coronavirus-glory-holes-sex/[/quote]

This, along with Tam's advise to wear masks while kissing, is a perfect example of health officials missing the bigger picture. The message I've been hearing since the 1990s is that anonymous sex is a risk for spreading infection, and that aside from using condoms, taking time to get to know someone before becoming physically intimate was also important. That's the message that I think should be emphasised. Unfortunately, I think the kind of person who would have anonymous sex (especially without protection) is the kind of person who would ignore Tam's advice anyways. But at least by pivoting back to precautions that are already public knowledge, health officials maintain their credibility and don't subject themselves to ridicule.

Mobo2000 wrote:
Regarding mass events, I am saying that regardless of the efficacy of banning mass events, it is difficult and problematic for governments to enforce a ban on mass events, and even more difficult for me to get behind that enforcement.

One of the interesting things about regulations is that many European jurisdictions have relaxed restrictions on indoor gatherings as the first wave of the pandemic eased off. Sweden has enforced a hard cap on 50 people at events from the beginning and has not budged from that regardless of the trend in cases.

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Aristotleded24 wrote:
Sweden has enforced a hard cap on 50 people at events from the beginning and has not budged from that regardless of the trend in cases.

BC has also enforced a hard cap of 50 people in gatherings since the beginning of the pandemic, and is planning to continue this until there is a vaccine.

Aristotleded24

In other words, a permanent restriction on the right to free assembly made palatable by having people hold out hope for an ever-elusive vaccine that may never come.

NDPP

WATCH: "Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn, New York set fire to a pile of face masks in protest of lockdown restrictions by NY Governor Andrew Cuomo."

https://twitter.com/SVNewsAlerts/status/1313696596245258240

 

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Aristotleded24

So when I went to look for a headline about alcohol sales during the pandemic, there were so many google hits from different areas that I didn't know which one I would use. So I won't use any of those headlines. The evidence of alcohol sales increasing during the pandemic are there for anyone who wants to look, as people under stress tend to turn to alcohol to cope. Alcohol is also addictive. "Covid 19 causes long-term health impacts, so we have to stop its transmission at all costs!" Do you know what else causes long-term health impacts? Alcohol addiction. Does the pro-lockdown crowd have any answer or any suggestion for how to deal with this one? Unlike with "some drugs," it's not possible to provide people a "safe" supply as a band-aid while ignoring the emotional distress which triggered their addiction in the first place.

Aristotleded24

Report on mental health during the pandemic:

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Many Canadians say their mental health is worse than before the COVID-19 pandemic and have reported an increase in alcohol consumption, according to a new survey by Nanos Research.

The survey of 1,003 Canadians, which was commissioned by CTV News, found that two in five Canadians said that their mental health is currently worse than before the pandemic. The survey also found that Canadians reported a 20 per cent increase in alcohol consumption compared to before the pandemic.

According to the survey results, four in 10 Canadians said their mental health is now worse (16 per cent) or somewhat worse (24 per cent) than it was in April during the early stages of the pandemic. At that time, 10 per cent of respondents reported worse and 28 per cent reported somewhat worse mental health.

Just under half of the respondents said their mental health is about the same as it was prior to COVID-19, while one in 10 Canadians said their mental health is better (four per cent) or somewhat better (seven per cent). One per cent of those surveyed said they were unsure.

What a finding. I thought that subjecting a population to gaslighting, fear-mongering,  psychological terrorism, browbeating, and emotional blackmail would have a positive impact on overall mental health. This comes as a complete shock to me!

Aristotleded24

With post-secondary school now in swing, this is the time when many students would be doing practicums. Unfortunately many workplaces aren't accepting practicums because of the covid restrictions. At the same time, workplaces are always losing trained staff due to resignations, retirements, deaths, people who go on patental leave and never come back, or illness or disability. These employees all need to be replaced by qualified individuals. In addition, there are only so many workplaces that can accomodate practicum students at a time. If the restrictions are in place for just the Fall that is one thing. What if they are still in effect in the spring and practicums still cannot happen then? The longer these restrictions go on, the more of a backlog you will create. Or will they try and find a way to cut corners on some practicum requirements to address this? What will that do do qualifications, how people who were short-cut feel about their ability to do the job, or confidence in the profession overall?

Aristotleded24

Here is a news clip describing suicide calls in LA going from 20 to over 1800. As the reporters point out, the crisis workers dealing with these calls are also front line workers. You can say bring in more people to help, but remember that dealing with suicidal people takes a big toll on people's mental health. If something is increasing suicidal tendancies and thoughts in the population, that needs to be addressed.

Aristotleded24

Here is an example of someone waiting for surgery that has been postponed:

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Maxine Lawrenz’s 87-year-old mother has been awaiting a hip replacement surgery since prior to the pandemic, but has still have not been given a date for that surgery.

While waiting for her surgery, Lawrenz’s mother was scheduled to receive cortisone shots at Royal University Hospital to help alleviate her pain. Those appointments however were also cancelled twice - the most recent being cancelled Thursday.

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Lawrenz says she understood back in April why her mother’s procedure was cancelled, but now six months later she doesn’t understand why it can’t be done.

“Its not just my mother. My mother’s procedure is not the only one that was cancelled, there’s a lot of people finding themselves in this position.”

Note this woman is 87 years old. It is also the case that many people who need these kinds of operations tend to be older. At 87, she doesn't have much time left, and I think it's a travesty to needlessly force her to endure much of that time in severe pain. Not only does it impact quality of life, but I'm also guessing that if left unchecked, it could lead to not only debilitation but could shorten her life.

Aristotleded24

Guess which generation is going to experience the worst reprecussions:

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The number of people being made redundant in the UK has risen at the fastest rate on record as the economic consequences of the coronavirus pandemic continue to bite, with the number of people aged 16-24 in work falling particularly sharply.

There has to be a better way to protect our elders than asking their grand children and great-grand children to sacrifice the same chances they had to live their lives.

Aristotleded24

Flatten the curve to save lives in the United Kingdom:

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More than 26,000 extra deaths occurred in private homes this year, an analysis by the Office for National Statistics found.

In contrast, deaths in hospitals from these causes have been lower than usual.

The Covid epidemic may have led to fewer people being treated in hospital.

Or it may be that people in older age groups, who make up the majority of these deaths, are choosing to stay at home - but the underlying reasons for the figures are still not clear.

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Prof Sir David Spiegelhalter, chairman of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at the University of Cambridge, said that equated to an extra 100 people dying at home every day.

"Usually around 300 people die each day in their homes in England and Wales," he commented.

"The latest ONS analysis confirms that even after the peak of the epidemic this has stayed at around 400 a day and shows no sign of declining. That's one third extra, very few of which are from Covid."

He suggested these deaths would normally have occurred in hospital.

"People have either been reluctant to go, discouraged from attending, or the services have been disrupted," Prof Spiegelhalter added.

"It is unclear how many of these lives could have been extended had they gone to hospital, for example among the 450 extra deaths from cardiac arrhythmias."

Alzheimer's Research UK said the fact more people were dying from dementia in their own homes than ever before was "truly heartbreaking".

"Many people say they would prefer to die at home, but we need to understand whether people with dementia are able to access the medical help they need during the Covid-19 pandemic," said director of policy and public affairs, Samantha Benham-Hermetz.

"It's likely that factors such as social isolation and people's fear of coming forward to access the medial care they need has led to such a huge increase, which is why it's more important than ever that people with dementia are not neglected."

Aristotleded24

Working from home has worked out for everyone:

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We traditionally tend to think of working from home as a perk. You can do your laundry while you work. You can stay in pajamas and control your own thermostat. You can take the dog for a walk. But after being abruptly forced to work from home full time this year, a lot of people have discovered they don’t like it nearly as much as they thought they would.

Of course, working from home in the midst of a highly stressful global crisis is different from doing it in normal times—especially if you add in the stress of child care. But a surprising number of people have told me they’re shocked by how eager they are to return to their offices once it’s safe to do so.

One of the biggest themes I’ve heard is that people simply miss their co-workers, and they miss the ease of collaborating in person.

Why is that surprising? In-person connection is a basic human need and is essential for survival, almost up there with food, water and air. The only people this came as a surprise to are those who have a vested interest in or were already advocating and believing that life would be so simple and care-free if we all just worked from home.

Aristotleded24

Save the children! Flatten the curve!

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Just five per cent of Canadian children met basic physical activity guidelines early on in the pandemic, which is why school phys-ed programs are now looking for alternatives to get students to work up a sweat in a safe fashion.

As a result of physical distancing measures and increased remote learning, children have had more sedentary time during the pandemic, and that has had implications for schools planning physical education.

The Toronto District School Board, for instance, has asked gym teachers to cancel fall fitness training after phys-ed instructors reported that students' physical activity levels have been alarming so far.

"They've noticed that kids are out of breath immediately, so the lack of physical activity that's taken place over the last seven months is showing," said George Kourtis, who heads the TDSB's phys-ed program.

"Out of breath immediately?" I find that quite scary.

Pondering

What is your point Aristotled. What is your solution? 

Aristotleded24

Let the kids back to school where they can play and run around. The schools never should have been closed as long as they were in the first place.

Pondering

Where are schools closed?

Aristotleded24

They were closed earlier this year and closed for far too long.

Aristotleded24

This is an interesting development:

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The suicide rate in B.C. has dipped during the COVID-19 pandemic, although more people are reaching out for help.

According to the B.C. Coroners Service, the suicide rate fell seven per cent from January to August compared to the same time last year.

However, experts warn that doesn’t mean people aren’t struggling with mental health issues.

Jonny Morris, CEO of the Canadian Mental Health Association in B.C., advises to treat the rate decrease with caution.

“Any reduction in the number of lives lost here in the province to suicide is, of course, a very very important development,” he said.

There have been well documented negative impacts on mental health with the response to covid. Yet it seems that the trend in BC has been the reverse of what you would expect. Anybody from BC care to weigh in with what they think is driving this?

Pondering

I doubt it is just BC. Families are being forced to spend more time together. That might have provided more support to people who would otherwise have committed suicide. 

It is one thing to want to kill yourself, another to have to avoid something that could kill you. The second might remind you that you actually do not want to die.

People who can't find work are getting sympathy not judgement. 

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Many communities are also taking great care to reach out to vulnerable people. In Winnipeg, One Just City is one organization that is doing a great deal of outreach work as well as providing shelter and food. The Treaty #3 Grand Council in northwestern Ontario have amassed all sorts of information, tips and crisis lines on their website. Many First Nation communities are buying bulk supplies including things like diapers and baby formula to make sure their members have what they need. That is not going to save everyone and the key word is "community" whether it's a group, a family, a work network or an isolated reserve - people alone before or after the pandemic who are struggling with mental health will continue to be vulnerable.

Aristotleded24

laine lowe wrote:
Many communities are also taking great care to reach out to vulnerable people. In Winnipeg, One Just City is one organization that is doing a great deal of outreach work as well as providing shelter and food. The Treaty #3 Grand Council in northwestern Ontario have amassed all sorts of information, tips and crisis lines on their website. Many First Nation communities are buying bulk supplies including things like diapers and baby formula to make sure their members have what they need. That is not going to save everyone and the key word is "community" whether it's a group, a family, a work network or an isolated reserve - people alone before or after the pandemic who are struggling with mental health will continue to be vulnerable.

I'm also willing to bet that the Hutterite communities also had means to reach out to people and help them through not only covid but the negative emotional impacts as well. The irony is that the communal aspect of their living arrangements may have helped spread the virus, but I suspect that also helped them fare better emotionally than so many people have through the pandemic.

Aristotleded24

Addictive behaviours taking their toll:

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The COVID-19 pandemic has wreaked havoc on Canadians suffering from mental illness, opioid addiction and other substance abuse problems, says a new study released today by the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) which confirms anecdotal reports warning that the pandemic's health consequences extend well beyond the novel coronavirus itself.

Efforts to curb the spread of COVID-19 through social distancing and shutdowns have kept the Canadian caseload relatively low compared to other jurisdictions globally. But the overall health of the population has deteriorated over the last eight months, with more people turning to drugs, alcohol, tobacco and screen time over physical exercise to cope with the stress.

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Preliminary data from Ontario also show that the number of confirmed and probable deaths from opioid-related causes has increased by almost 50 per cent, from 148 deaths in January to 220 deaths in May.

Alberta also experienced a dramatic increase in opioid-related deaths in the three-month period from April to June 2020 — 302 deaths, up from the previously recorded high of 211 deaths in a three-month period in 2018.

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Meanwhile, many Canadians have increased their use of alcohol, cannabis and tobacco during this pandemic.

By early summer, based on surveys by Statistics Canada, close to one in five Canadians (19 per cent) said their consumption of alcohol had increased, cannabis use jumped 8.3 per cent and tobacco smoking rates were up by 3.9 per cent over pre-pandemic levels.

CBC North has documented a surge in alcohol and substance abuse in Canada's northern territories thanks in part to more bootlegging and access to cash through the Canadian emergency relief benefit (CERB) and other relief supports.

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Canada has gone from one of the happiest countries in the world — ninth out of 156 countries according to a 2019 UN report — to one that is noticeably less so.

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In 2018, 68 per cent of Canadians age 15 years and older reported excellent or very good self-perceived mental health. This figure dropped to 54 per cent in late March and early April 2020 before going lower still to 48 per cent in early May, according to Statistics Canada data.

Indigenous people, the disabled and low-income Canadians also have reported experiencing more suicidal thoughts since the outbreak, PHAC found.

With strict social distancing measures and limits on social gatherings in place, many Canadians feel isolated and are worried about the state of their friendships and familial relationships.

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With gyms closed in many jurisdictions and recreational sports leagues on pause, some Canadians are less active. Those who weren't particularly active before March 2020 lockdown reported being even less so in the months that followed.

More than 60 per cent of Canadians reported spending more time using the internet and watching TV during the pandemic in early April.

We have to destroy people's lives in order to save them!

Aristotleded24
Aristotleded24

But think of the children!

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While the world has battled the health and economic effects of the coronavirus, another global issue has raged in tandem with little notice – and without the additional money and resources needed to effectively battle it, experts said. Online child abuse and exploitation, already one of the biggest and growing crime challenges nationally, has spiked as the pandemic has forced more people indoors with abusers and children spending more time on the internet.

The increase in reports tracks in the United States and abroad during the pandemic, experts said. Tips to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the clearinghouse for such information in the United States, nearly doubled from 6.3 million in the first half of 2019 to 12 million through June of this year. Reports of online enticement similarly spiked during that timeframe, from 6,863 to 13,268. 

"Online child exploitation right now is probably one of the biggest problems, from a crime perspective, in our country,"  said Lt. John Pizzuro, commander of the New Jersey Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force.

Many millions of images and videos of children and even newborn babies being raped and abused – or of children coerced into performing sex acts on camera – constantly ricochet across the internet. What may begin as seemingly innocent chatting between strangers online can lead to "sextortion," abduction and human trafficking, according to advocates and law enforcement.

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Once states started closing schools and issuing stay-at-home orders to try containing the coronavirus earlier this year, Alicia Kozak thought, "Oh no." 

"Children are going to be home from school, they're going to be home a lot more and they are going to be at great risk. And that happened pretty quickly," said Kozak, who, at age 13 in 2002, became the first known child to be abducted by an online predator.

 

Aristotleded24

Let's shift our focus to the developing world. When you look at the stats that follow, please remember that as of today, the total number of covid cases is just over 51 million and the number of people dead from covid is close to 1.3 million.

10 000 child deaths each month blamed on response to covid:

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All around the world, the coronavirus and its restrictions are pushing already hungry communities over the edge, cutting off meager farms from markets and isolating villages from food and medical aid. Virus-linked hunger is leading to the deaths of 10,000 more children a month over the first year of the pandemic, according to an urgent call to action from the United Nations shared with The Associated Press ahead of its publication in the Lancet medical journal.

Further, more than 550,000 additional children each month are being struck by what is called wasting, according to the U.N. — malnutrition that manifests in spindly limbs and distended bellies. Over a year, that’s up 6.7 million from last year’s total of 47 million. Wasting and stunting can permanently damage children physically and mentally, transforming individual tragedies into a generational catastrophe.

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Lanizou’s husband, Yakouaran Boue, used to sell onions to buy seeds and fertilizer, but then the markets closed. Even now, a 50-kilogram bag of onions sells for a dollar less, which means less seed to plant for next year.

“I’m worried that this year we won’t have enough food to feed her,” he said, staring down at his daughter over his wife’s shoulder. “I’m afraid she’s going to die.”

From Latin America to South Asia to sub-Saharan Africa, more families than ever are staring down a future without enough food. The analysis published Monday found about 128,000 more young children will die over the first 12 months of the virus.

In April, World Food Program head David Beasley warned that the coronavirus economy would cause global famines “of biblical proportions” this year. There are different stages of what is known as food insecurity; famine is officially declared when, along with other measures, 30% of the population suffers from wasting.

The agency estimated in February that one in every three people in Venezuela was already going hungry, as inflation rendered many salaries nearly worthless and forced millions to flee abroad. Then the virus arrived.

“The parents of the children are without work,” said Annelise Mirabal, who works with a foundation that helps malnourished children in Maracaibo, the city in Venezuela thus far hardest hit by the pandemic. “How are they going to feed their kids?”

Aristotleded24

Global progress on health care, poverty, education reversing:

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The 15-year global effort to improve the lives of people everywhere through the achievement of the 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) by 2030 was already off track by the end of 2019. And now, in only a short period of time, the COVID-19 pandemic has unleashed an unprecedented crisis, causing further disruption to SDG progress, with the world’s poorest and most vulnerable affected the most, according to a new report released today by the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs.

According to the Sustainable Development Goals Report 2020, the world had been making progress—although uneven and insufficient to meet the Goals — in areas such as improving maternal and child health, expanding access to electricity and increasing women’s representation in government. Yet even these advances were offset elsewhere by growing food insecurity, deterioration of the natural environment, and persistent and pervasive inequalities.

Now, the COVID-19 pandemic has quickly become the worst human and economic crisis of our lifetime, spreading to all countries, with the global death toll exceeding 500,000 and the number of confirmed cases at more than 10 million people.

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Among the key findings:

  • An estimated 71 million people are expected to be pushed back into extreme poverty in 2020, the first rise in global poverty since 1998. Lost incomes, limited social protection and rising prices mean even those who were previously secure could find themselves at risk of poverty and hunger.
  • Underemployment and unemployment due to the crisis mean some 1.6 billion already vulnerable workers in the informal economy – half the global workforce – may be significantly affected, with their incomes estimated to have fallen by 60 per cent in the first month of the crisis.
  • The more than one billion slum dwellers worldwide are acutely at risk from the effects of COVID-19, suffering from a lack of adequate housing, no running water at home, shared toilets, little or no waste management systems, overcrowded public transport and limited access to formal health care facilities.
  • Women and children are also among those bearing the heaviest brunt of the pandemic’s effects. Disruption to health and vaccination services and limited access to diet and nutrition services have the potential to cause hundreds of thousands of additional under-5 deaths and tens of thousands of additional maternal deaths in 2020. Many countries have seen a surge in reports of domestic violence against women and children.
  • School closures have kept 90 per cent of students worldwide (1.57 billion) out of school and caused over 370 million children to miss out on school meals they depend on. Lack of access to computers and the internet at home means remote learning is out of reach of many. About 70 countries reported moderate to severe disruptions or a total suspension of childhood vaccination services during March and April of 2020.
  • As more families fall into extreme poverty, children in poor and disadvantaged communities are at much greater risk of child labour, child marriage and child trafficking. In fact, the global gains in reducing child labour are likely to be reversed for the first time in 20 years.
Aristotleded24

12 000 deaths from starvation a day?

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As many as 12,000 people could die per day by the end of the year as a result of hunger linked to COVID-19, potentially more than could die from the disease, warned Oxfam in a new briefing published today. The global observed daily mortality rate for COVID-19 reached its highest recorded point in April 2020 at just over 10,000 deaths per day.

The Hunger Virus,’ reveals how 121 million more people could be pushed to the brink of starvation this year as a result of the social and economic fallout from the pandemic including through mass unemployment, disruption to food production and supplies, and declining aid.

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The briefing reveals the world’s ten worst hunger hotspots, places such as Venezuela and South Sudan where the food crisis is most severe and getting worse as a result of the pandemic. It also highlights emerging epicentres of hunger ―middle income countries such as India, South Africa, and Brazil― where millions of people who were barely managing have been tipped over the edge by the pandemic. For example:

  • Brazil: Millions of poor workers, with little in the way of savings or benefits to fall back on, lost their incomes as a result of lockdown. Only 10 percent of the financial support promised by the federal government had been distributed by late June with big business favored over workers and smaller more vulnerable companies.
     
  • India: Travel restrictions left farmers without vital migrant labour at the peak of the harvest season, forcing many to leave their crops in the field to rot. Traders have also been unable to reach tribal communities during the peak harvest season for forest products, depriving up to 100 million people of their main source of income for the year. 
     
  • Yemen: Remittances dropped by 80 percent ―or $253 million― in the first four months of 2020 as a result of mass job losses across the Gulf. Borders and supply route closures have led to food shortages and food price spikes in the country which imports 90 percent of its food. 
     
  • Sahel: Restrictions on movement have prevented herders from driving their livestock to greener pastures for feeding, threatening the livelihoods of millions of people. Just 26 percent of the $2.8bn needed to respond to COVID-19 in the region has been pledged.

Kadidia Diallo, a female milk producer in Burkina Faso, told Oxfam: “COVID-19 is causing us a lot of harm. Giving my children something to eat in the morning has become difficult. We are totally dependent on the sale of milk, and with the closure of the market we can’t sell the milk anymore. If we don’t sell milk, we don't eat.” 

Women, and women-headed households, are more likely to go hungry despite the crucial role they play as food producers and workers. Women are already vulnerable because of systemic discrimination that sees them earn less and own fewer assets than men. They make up a large proportion of groups, such as informal workers, that have been hit hard by the economic fallout of the pandemic, and have also borne the brunt of a dramatic increase in unpaid care work as a result of school closures and family illness.

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80 million children at risk as vaccination efforts disrupted:

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COVID 19 is disrupting life-saving immunization services around the world, putting millions of children – in rich and poor countries alike – at risk of diseases like diphtheria, measles and polio. This stark warning comes from the World Health Organization, UNICEF and Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance ahead of the Global Vaccine Summit on 4 June, at which world leaders will come together to help maintain immunization programmes and mitigate the impact of the pandemic in lower-income countries.

According to data collected by the World Health Organization, UNICEF, Gavi and the Sabin Vaccine Institute, provision of routine immunization services is substantially hindered in at least 68 countries and is likely to affect approximately 80 million children under the age of 1 living in these countries.

Since March 2020, routine childhood immunization services have been disrupted on a global scale that may be unprecedented since the inception of expanded programs on immunization (EPI) in the 1970s. More than half (53%) of the 129 countries where data were available reported moderate-to-severe disruptions, or a total suspension of vaccination services during March-April 2020. 

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Many countries have temporarily and justifiably suspended preventive mass vaccination campaigns against diseases like cholera, measles, meningitis, polio, tetanus, typhoid and yellow fever, due to risk of transmission and the need to maintain physical distancing during the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Measles and polio vaccination campaigns, in particular, have been badly hit, with measles campaigns suspended in 27 countries and polio campaigns put on hold in 38 countries. At least 24 million people in 21 Gavi-supported lower-income countries are at risk of missing out on vaccines against polio, measles, typhoid, yellow fever, cholera, rotavirus, HPV, meningitis A and rubella due to postponed campaigns and introductions of new vaccines.

In late March, concerned that mass gatherings for vaccination campaigns would enflame transmission of COVID-19 WHO recommended countries to temporarily suspend preventive campaigns while assessments of risk, and effective measures for reducing COVID virus transmission were established.

WHO has since monitored the situation and has now issued advice to help countries determine how and when to resume mass vaccination campaigns. The guidance notes that countries will need to make specific risk assessments based on the local dynamics of COVID-19 transmission, the health system capacities, and the public health benefit of conducting preventive and outbreak response vaccination campaigns.

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Nearly 2 million possibly dead from tuberculosis:

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Last month, global deaths from the coronavirus pandemic reached over 1 million. Disruptions caused by the pandemic could also lead to more deaths from other diseases, such as tuberculosis.

An estimated 1.8 million people could die from tuberculosis in 2020 — numbers last seen in 2012, according to the World Health Organization’s latest global TB report.

The numbers were based on WHO’s modeling in which it estimated an additional 200,000 to 400,000 TB deaths in 2020 if the number of people with TB detected and treated falls by 25% to 50% over a three-month period. An estimated 1.4 million people died from TB-related illnesses in 2019.

Declines in TB notifications were found in 14 high burden countries between January and June 2020, but it varies between countries.

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Potential reasons for the decline include people’s avoidance of health facilities, reductions in the number of health facilities offering TB diagnostic and treatment services, disruptions in the procurement and transportation of medicines and other laboratory items, movement restrictions, and loss of income. In some cases, there were concerns of TB patients being suspected of having COVID-19, given some similarities in symptoms between the two diseases such as fever and cough, and delays in data recording and reporting.

In April, Devex reported a significant drop in reported TB cases during the first quarter of the year in Metro Manila, the Philippines’ national capital region, as also likely due to manpower shortages and overburdened staff unable to properly file case reports.

COVID-19 could lead to an increase in the number of people developing TB by more than 1 million per year from 2020 to 2025.

“Although physical distancing policies may help to reduce TB transmission, this effect could be offset by longer durations of infectiousness, increased household exposure to TB infection, worsening treatment outcomes, and higher levels of poverty,” according to the report.

Remember that most people will recover from covid on their own without medical intervention. The same is not the case for tuberculosis.

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Excess deaths have gone up:

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Up to 21,000 people have died because of unintended consequences of lockdown – many due to a lack of access to healthcare, according to a shocking study. 

In the eight weeks after restrictions were put in place an average of almost 2,700 extra people died a week than would be usual for the time of year, despite Covid-19 not contributing to their deaths. 

Many of these victims died because they were unable to get urgent healthcare, it emerged last night.

There were warnings from doctors at the beginning of lockdown in March that there was a sharp drop in hospital attendance for emergencies such as heart attacks. 

It was reported that at one point the number of people going to A&E had halved, while cancer referrals had plunged by 70 per cent. 

Other studies have already suggested that a lack of access to urgent cancer care and a drop in referrals could lead to an extra 35,000 deaths a year. 

An earlier paper published in The Lancet Oncology found some lives will be 20 years shorter due to cancers that have been missed. 

This new study has raised the possibility that the wider impact of lockdown killed more people than the virus.

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Remember, this is about saving the lives of elderly people:

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Gail Sandler’s mom would have been the ripe age of 101 on Sept. 22.

Sadly, Ann Jessel never made it, succumbing not to the COVID but to the toll the pandemic isolation took on her psyche.

Sandler said the last time she visited indoors with Jessel at her elegant Thornhill retirement home — where she lived for six-and-a-half years — was July 18.

Although a “wonderful visit,” that’s when her mom said she didn’t think she could do “this” anymore.

Jessel told her daughter she was “miserable,” that there were no programs and she couldn’t join her for Friday night (Shabbat) dinner.

She said she’s “lived a long, good life” and was “ready to die,” Sandler recalled.

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Sandler said she knows the province, LTC facilities and retirement homes feel they’re protecting vulnerable seniors, but she wonders at what price?

“Let’s face it, they are all protecting themselves too,” she said.

Sandler feels there will be more seniors like her mom who decide to go because of the isolation and because their hearts are broken.

“My mom was in a beautiful retirement home that looked like a cruise ship that didn’t sail … and it became her prison,” she said. “Now it’s a prison again.”

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So far 10,953 Canadians have died from Covid 19 and we haven't hit the winter season yet. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-canada/update-1-ontar...

TORONTO (Reuters) - Canada’s most populous province Ontario may have to begin suspending non-essential surgeries again starting in two weeks as surging coronavirus cases fill hospital intensive care units, according to modeling released on Thursday....

The province of 14.6 million people will reach 150 ICUs filled by COVID-19 patients in two weeks, in all projected scenarios.

“This threshold of 150 beds is important because it’s that point at which we need to start cancelling planned surgeries,” said Dr. Steini Brown, co-chair of Ontario’s COVID-19 science advisory table, emphasizing that “key indicators” in the province “continue to worsen.”

And that is with lockdowns. What we should be advocating is a 6 week hard shutdown. I want to know why we don't have easy widespread testing so we can identify and shut down hot spots faster. Covid free areas should be protected. 

Drug use should be legalized and provided to addicts. We need minimum basic income. There are many other things we should be doing. Opening up isn't one of them. 

kropotkin1951

Aristotleded24 wrote:

There have been well documented negative impacts on mental health with the response to covid. Yet it seems that the trend in BC has been the reverse of what you would expect. Anybody from BC care to weigh in with what they think is driving this?

Because the vast majority of the population believes that they are in this pandemic together and the anti-maskers and other idiots are a minuscule part of the population. The community is fighting as one, so although we may be depressed we are not distraught to the point of suicide. If your viewpoints were more prevalent then I suspect that the suicide rate would be higher. Despair breeds self violence, community spirit facing a challenge is the antidote.

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Every site for different First Nations umbrella organizations have excellent resource information links that go well beyond information about COVID-19 stats and safety protocols. First Nations Health Authority in BC is one of the best resources I have come across.

https://www.fnha.ca/Documents/FNHA-COVID-19-Mental-Health-and-Cultural-Supports.pdf

https://www.fnha.ca/Documents/FNHA-Fewer-Faces-Wide-Open-Spaces-A-Guide-to-Gatherings-and-Events-During-COVID-19.pdf

https://www.fnha.ca/what-we-do/communicable-disease-control/coronavirus

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More evidence that lockdowns are saving the lives of our elders:

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When 90-year-old Nancy Russell died last month, she was surrounded by friends and family.

They clustered around her bed, singing a song she had chosen to send her off, as a doctor helped her through a medically-assisted death.

It was the exact opposite of the lonely months of lockdown Russell had suffered through in the retirement home where Russell had lived for several years -- that was the whole point.

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Russell, described by her family as exceptionally social and spry, was one such person. Her family says she chose a medically-assisted death (MAID) after she declined so sharply during lockdown that she didn’t want to go through more isolation this winter.

Being mobile was everything to my mom,” her daughter, Tory, told CTV News.

“My mother was extremely curious, and she was very interested in every person she met and every idea that she came across so she was constantly reading, going to different shows and talks. [She] was frequently talking about people she met and their life stories, very curious, open minded. So for 90, she was exceptional.”

But the first wave of COVID-19 restrictions in March ended her daily walks, library visits and all the activities in her Toronto retirement home. Her daughter says they had plastic dividers in the dining rooms and supervised visits in the garden.

“She, almost overnight, went from a very active lifestyle to a very limited life, and they had, very early on, a complete two week confinement just to her room,” Tory said.

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Social distancing protects the vulnerable:

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While many Manitobans have had to adjust to the COVID-19 lockdown, some of the province's most vulnerable citizens have lost social opportunities and access to resources, members of a Winnipeg community ministry say. 

In West Broadway, many community organizations have had to adjust their services since March, including the West Broadway Community Ministry. 

Before the pandemic, the community ministry, at the corner of Furby Street and Broadway, served as a drop-in for many of the city's most vulnerable citizens, including people living in poverty, or with addictions or disabilities. 

People "could come into the building, they come into the drop-in centre and sit there, have coffee, have a hot meal, chat or hang out," said Tammy Kutzak, a volunteer at West Broadway Community Ministry.

"It was a place where people go laugh, play cards. Some would have … a knitting group going on, and we have a seniors' group going, and we have [an] art group going. So there was stuff for people to do there." 

Now, with public gatherings in Manitoba limited to a maximum of five people, the ministry has had to halt its drop-in programming.

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Mark Olfert, who lives in West Broadway and volunteers at the ministry, said the feeling there has changed.

"Well, I felt kind of lonely … because over time you develop lots of good friendships. You get to know people and then it just feels like it's just [a] complete reversal … down to just seeing just a handful of people," he said.

"It was so different."

Connecting with others can be very important to improving health outcomes and helping to mitigate the effects of anxiety and depression, according to the Canadian Mental Health Association.

Staff at the community ministry say during the pandemic, they've observed the effects of losing that connection.

"I see an increase in aggression. I see an increase in violence on the streets," Rae said. 

"There are some issues with both increased drug use and inconsistent drug supplies, which have added to an increase in overdose deaths. I think we've lost at least at least five community members, since I started working here, to overdose."

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We get it - there are always socio-economic determinants of health, including mental health, that are at play. That includes crowded housing conditons and no housing. Those dealing with poverty and homelessness are very vulnerable for catching the virus and it spreading in their community. Is continuing drop in activities or religious services worth getting rates as high as those in Steinbach? Do we need to risk getting to the point that we need to turn the convention centre and other large facilities into makeshift hospitals to deal with the overflow? If the worst case modeling projections come true (i.e. 800 new cases daily), that will likely happen. One community already had to close a hospital so that their staff could help with an outbreak in another nearby community.

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Those dealing with poverty and homelessness are very vulnerable for catching the virus and it spreading in their community.

I think this kind of thinking is condescending and paternalistic. Nobody ever asked these people how they felt or what they needed, they just shut down the spaces that were important to them. I would think that people who identify as progressives would understand that. Whatever the risks were, I'm pretty sure if you asked these people what they needed, they would not have wanted the space closed down.

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Is continuing drop in activities or religious services worth getting rates as high as those in Steinbach?

So instead we close down their spaces and expose them to risks of drug use (as mentioned in the article) and with winter approacing, freezing to death in the streets. But we can feel good about ourselves because at least we made sure they didn't die from covid.

By the way, the Manitoba government keeps good tabs on where outbreaks happen. Can you tell me how many outbreaks the province has recorded that are connected to any religious gatherings? How many deaths have been connected to those gatherings?

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Do we need to risk getting to the point that we need to turn the convention centre and other large facilities into makeshift hospitals to deal with the overflow?

With the Convention Centre not being allowed to have large gatherings, maybe that's a worthwhile idea we should have explored from the start. I know the military was called in to help senior care centres in Ontario and Quebec, would they not have had addtional medical staff that could have been called in as extra support for our health care professionals?

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If the worst case modeling projections come true (i.e. 800 new cases daily), that will likely happen.

Those models are trash. Most of them are wildly exaggerated and the only purpose of publishing them is to instill fear in the population. I actually minored in math in university (although not at the level of desigining models) and as someone who has that background in math, I would never advocate large-scale restrictions that we have seen based on what a model told us.

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Listen do the doctors:

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The infection fatality rate seems to be about the same as for influenza, but we have never introduced these drastic measures before, when we had influenza pandemics. And we cannot live with them for years to come. The World Bank has just estimated that the corona pandemic has caused an increase of about 100 million people living in extreme poverty (9). This is not because of COVID-19. It is because of the draconian measures we have introduced. We need a better strategy.

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Suicide in Japan claims more lives than covid:

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In Japan, government statistics show suicide claimed more lives in October than Covid-19 has over the entire year to date. The monthly number of Japanese suicides rose to 2,153 in October, according to Japan's National Police Agency. As of Friday, Japan's total Covid-19 toll was 2,087, the health ministry said.

Japan is one of the few major economies to disclose timely suicide data -- the most recent national data for the US, for example, is from 2018. The Japanese data could give other countries insights into the impact of pandemic measures on mental health, and which groups are the most vulnerable.

"We didn't even have a lockdown, and the impact of Covid is very minimal compared to other countries ... but still we see this big increase in the number of suicides," said Michiko Ueda, an associate professor at Waseda University in Tokyo, and an expert on suicides.

"That suggests other countries might see a similar or even bigger increase in the number of suicides in the future."

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Saskatoon police on crime patterns in that city:

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Police chief Troy Cooper says aggravated assaults, domestic assaults and criminal harassment charges are all up, while property crimes such as break-and-enters, thefts and robberies have all dropped.

Cooper said in an interview that police are still trying to make sense of how the pandemic is affecting crime.

He said that, anecdotally, it would appear that having people living in close quarters for months on end is leading to person-on-person crime, whether it's assaults or domestic violence.

Similarly, a drop in property crime could reflect the lack of opportunity due to many businesses being closed.

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